Was General Betrayus played against Hillary?
No doubt some reading here will accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat, but I just can’t help believing that the publicizing of charges against General David Petraeus just before the leak about Hillary’s email problem is more than mere coincidence. Was the Petraeus announcement timed to set the stage so that Hillary’s email manipulations would be viewed as a serious violation of national security punishable by prison sentence and banishment from future federal service? With the revelation of the terms of the Petraeus deal the Obama administration was showing the world that even the mighty can risk jail time and federal banishment. The disclosure that four star general Petraeus had lied to federal investigators can’t but help to set a tone of public distrust of those who serve in our highest offices.
The close follow-on of the leak of the Hillary email affair meant that her problem became public knowledge at a very bad time for her, when comparisons with Petraeus were inevitable. Now that the White House has thrown Hillary under the bus with a public disavowal of any knowledge of her email system and with prominent Democrat strategists like David Axelrod out there on television piling on with talk of the severity of Hillary’s transgressions, there’s a dead rodent effluence emanating not from Denmark but from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Hillary’s appointment to secretary of state was clearly payback for the Clintons throwing in the towel and getting behind the Obama presidential campaign in 2008. The SoS job had to be a sop offered as a way to enhance Hillary’s chances in 2016, or so the Clinton’s would believe. But anyone who thinks there has ever been any true forgiveness from either the Clinton’s or Obama for the animosities of 2008 has to be a real Pollyanna. So all you amateur Machiavelli’s out there see if you can conjure up a better way to fatally backstab the Hildebeast than to let her serve for four years while ignoring her continual and ongoing violation of all manner of national security protocols only to now, when it can do her the most political damage, leak it to the world all while denying any prior knowledge.
Of course, it’s preposterous that the Obama security apparatus did not know that one of their highest ranking officials was ignoring federal laws regarding national security and was a serial violator of those laws. You can almost hear the smug chuckles coming from the White House as Hillary played into their trap. All federal institutions are subject to periodic security reviews so Hillary’s bizarre handling of federal email traffic had to have been noticed and reported at some time during her tenure by security specialists. That it was allowed to continue could only have been authorized at the very highest level of government and we all know who that is. In a way you have to admire the forbearance of the Obama crowd, observing a patience which demonstrates the truth of that old wisdom, “Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.”
That Hillary has had the albatross of General Betrayus draped on her political shoulders can only be described as delicious irony. To believe that it is mere coincidence would require, “The willing suspension of disbelief.”
Category: Politics
“Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.”
It’s a question worth asking. I don’t believe that this mess had to be intentional on the part of this administration. This administration is composed of bleeding amateurs, bunglers, and ideologues who do not like being told what to do by people with actual competence in their respective fields.
I’d buy into pure, human stupidity, coincidence, and a useful media class grasping at every straw, as a first explanation.
My theory does not matter. The questions a decent investigator would ask remain the same.
I actually hope you’re right, poetrooper. because if you’re right, it means that someone in this administration is competent at something, anything!
however, like Valerie above me, I don’t that anyone in the white house has the required skill and mental fortitude.
on the other hand, Obama is pretty vindictive.
I doubt*
To early in the cycle for this to truly spike her campaign because of public opinion is my guess. The American public has the attention span of a gnat and this would have blown over by January next year. What this probably is a warning to her by the Obama’s that the really juicy stuff will be released if she continues to try and run. She had been trying to distance herself from the administration and this is the administration’s response. I half expect her to quietly not run now and go about being a “grandmother”.
Given the declared amount of time it’s going to take to just plow through the emails that they have just to determine if any sensistive/classified material was mishandled, this will have legs for a long time.
And….if there is any sensitive info discovered in the 50K emails (IMHO a likely scenario), the administration would have grounds for opening an official investigation and getting a warrant to search the servers.
“(I)f there is any sensitive info discovered in the 50K emails”? I don’t think it’s an “if” question so much as a how much question.
Unless the server has been scrubbed. In which case, watch for a former Clinton IT wonk to turn up with a terminal case of “suicide” to cover that up. That family is (in)famous for that.
There won’t be any sensitive info found in the 50k emails, because were specifically selected by her staff to have over. It’s the other 100s of thousands of emails that we need to see.
If the law truly applied to everyone, that email server would have been impounded immediately with 3rd party security (not associated with the White House or Sec of State) tasked with reviewing it.
Even Mother Jones’s David Corn is asking questions and suggesting she violated rules…lots of liberals hate Clinton for being a corporate shill…it’s the same group that propelled Obama past her in 2008 now coming to finish her off to promote the imaginary woman of color from the PRoM…
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails
That group seems to have the hots for that woman with the “high cheekbones”, don’t they?
Benghazi could also be used against her, should the email fiasco not provide sufficient damage. One way or the other, I don’t think Hillary will be running for President.
“help to set a tone of public distrust of those who serve in our highest offices.”
Think you’re a bit after-the-fact in that one. By a bit over two, two and a half decades…
You make some good points, Poetrooper, but as an act of revenge against Granny C, it seems kind of petty to me. She caved during the 2008 campaign. bodaprez got the go-ahead, and like the spoiled brat he is, has been reveling in it ever since. He even gave her a cookie, the SofS job as a ‘let bygones be bygones’ gesture.
David Axelrod says, in his recently released book, that when bodaprez leaves the White House he will do so witout a backward glance. This implies that he really doesn’t give a shit about the job and never did, but he does seem to view it as a toy that he found interesting at first and then got bored playing with it.
I can’t think of anything other than the Osama bin Laden raid as a bitchslap that would rate revenge, unless it was that whole slobbering mess over Benghazi. If Granny C had a bitch-slapping contest over it with the Power Behind the Curtain, I’d give a lot to see the video of it.
bodaprez had to be pulled off the golf course over OBL, while Granny C gave the go-ahead order. There’s a photo somewhere of that bunch watching what was happening. bodaprez is still in his golfing jacket.
If that’s something to seek revenge for, it’s as petty as you can get. For me, it just doens’t fit.
On the other hand, when Granny C was SecyOState, she made a lot of visits to foreign governments allied with us, and did have a way of getting those people to like her.
I agree that the timing is peculiarly aligned with Petraeus’s scandal-ridden behavior and the subsequent face-slapping, but what else would there be?
Petty would be Obama’s middle name if he weren’t a Muslim.
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A singer named “Tom” wants to talk with you about names, Poetrooper. (smile)
Yeah but don’t you think the truth of my statement might break his heart?
That’s assuming he’s another typical, Obama worshiping, liberal habitue of the entertainment world.
He’d probably just have a breakdown and tell you to not come ’round here no more.
Why do I have the feeling that the current regime is tossing Shrillary under the bus so they can get Fauxcohantas to declare her candidacy? The democrat party is fully controlled by the most left wing ideologues in our history who don’t view Clinton as far left enough.
As testy as Native tribes are about fakers, do you think they would not out fauxcahontas for fakery? It isn’t that hard to do, you know.
I think there’s more to it than something like putting that cow in Granny C’s place.
The tribes won’t ‘out’ her as long as she works for them. If they come to the conclusion she’s an ‘Apple Indian’ (red on the outside and white on the inside) they’ll tromp her.
I dunno. I think it could reasonably be argued that publicity of Petraeus’ woes actually diverted some attention AWAY from Hillary’s issues. Regardless, in my opinion the timing was just coincidence.
“Coincidence is the word we use when we can’t see the levers and pulleys.”
Emma Bull, author
It’s also a word often used by those not wearing tinfoil hats, Poetrooper. And they’re usually right.
Here I personally prefer this British version of Hanlon’s law, from Bernard Ingham (1985): “Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory.”
Hondo, as you know, I have written here in the past on that very topic: Is the Obama administration thoroughly corrupt or completely inept? And my conclusion has been that they are both, which means you must always weigh both options when attempting to diagnose any of their actions. Further, you frequently may be forced to concede that elements of both are in play in any given action by this bunch.
Think of them as snotty, mean-spirited and venal Keystone Kops.
By the way, Hondo, I do believe in coincidence. Back in the 80’s on a business trip to Europe, I sat down at the bar of the Sheraton at Rhein-Main Airport and struck up a conversation with the very cosmopolitan gentleman next to me. He was on his way from Los Angeles to Dubai and waiting for his visa to be approved.
I remarked that my father-in-law had once worked in Dubai but was now a drilling operations manager in Venezuela for the Santa Fe Corporation. The guys eyes got wide and he said, “What’s his name?” When I told him, he actually smacked his forehead and said he couldn’t believe this. When I asked what, he told me that he was the controller for the Santa Fe Corporation and that very morning in L.A. before he left, he and his secretary had been looking for my father-in-law’s missing paycheck.
Now figure the billions-to-one odds on that global triangulation, Hondo, and it will leave you forever receptive to the possibility of any event occurring by pure coincidence.
That said, I still smell a rat in this Hillary tape mess.
And my tinfoil hat fits quite comfortably since I fitted it with a nice sweat band, thank you.
Is the ‘rat in the woodwork’ the possibility that Granny C was not going to knuckle under over Benghazi?
Is it that perhaps she stood up to those clowns and said ‘no’ and when they allowed those events to happen, they tried to cover their idiocy with denial, deflection of blame, and public notices of recalled officers, it all backfired on them?
I’m just bringing this up because while the Benghazi fiasco was being dissected in every sector and nobody swallowed the official crap, Granny C was oddly quiet. She was not the one who put out the announcement that it was all the fault of a video that no one had ever heard of. That came up at a White House press conf, and Granny C was nowhere in sight.
This isn’t conspiracy analysis. It’s saying they fucked up and tried to excuse themselves for it and got the entire pitcher of beer thrown in their faces.
I don’t know if she stood up and said “No”. But she definately knew that it was better to have others stand up and spin the story.
Very often the levers and pulleys are imaginary, in my opinion. One problem with conspiracy theories (in general) is that the larger the conspiracy, the greater the likelihood that someone will spill the beans. And if no one ever does, one must consider the possibility that there never was a conspiracy after all.
Bill, as Spock might say there’s a logic fail in your reasoning.
In this case, the strategy is to undermine Hillary and the coordination of the announcements was not central to that objective but a mere tactical ruse to make the Hillary situation appear more serious. That being the case, the Hillary scandal may drag out for who knows how long but the Petraeus incident will be quickly forgotten as he fades into the woodwork.
Therefore my contention that the announcements were deliberately coordinated will never be proved or disproved.
Oh, I’m sure that I could come up with a lot of things that can be neither proven nor disproven, if I were so inclined. 😉 I think another term for that is “sheer speculation”.
But I’m still having trouble with your line of reasoning that somehow the Petraeus scandal (regardless of whether its timing is intentional or accidental) makes things worse for Hillary. If I wanted to make things worse for Hillary, I’d make sure that there wasn’t another scandal competing for the press’ and the public’s attention. To me, it looks worse for her if hers is the only scandal in public view, rather than one of two scandals that are being reported at the same time. YMMV, I guess.
Bill, I think you missed my point and that may well be my fault for not doing a better job of explaining it.
My reasoning is that the Petraeus announcement had the media running stories about how serious his national security violations as CIA Director were. They couldn’t very well then turn right around the next day and poo-poo (as they most likely would have) the Hillary problem because there are so many similarities including their office ranks. Even serial hypocrites like the liberal media try to avoid such glaring examples of the practice.
From a public relations standpoint it was a very clever negative setup, if indeed that’s what it was.
OK, now I get your point. I do think it’s plausible that some reporters who critically covered the Petraeus story might feel a little bit of an extra obligation to cover Hillary the same way. I still think the competing-story aspect may still counterbalance that effect, in whole or in part. And I still think it’s a coincidence. But I do understand your point now.
“revenge is a dish best served cold.”
I’m jus sayin’
I have often said that if Old Hill couldn’t get the nomination in 2008 when it was practically laid out for her, she was never going to get it.
No matter how much CCN and MSNBC try to push her as “unbeatable,” once serious candidates join the fray, she will fall by the wayside.
Thank God.
The problem with the DemonRats, is that there IS no other serious candidate.
Crazy Uncle Joe “Shotgun” BiteMe?
Elizabeth “Fauxcahantas” Warren?
The DemonRat bench is extremely thin this year, and consists entirely of third (fourth?)-stringers.
Valid points, one and all…I just figure that someone will surface…and it won’t be Old Hill.
It won’t be any of those bird-dog idiots. Biden is a drunk and has a knack for saying and doing the wrong thing at exactly the wrong time, in addition to making some of the creepiest moves on the planet, live and in full color.
Warren has false claims of all kinds, and if she tries to ride the tribal banner, I’d bet she’ll get dusted for that, but good.
No, I think it will be sKerry. Yes, he’s a lackey, a lickspittle and a ‘yes’ man right now, and he does make faux pas, but he’s just in the role of the cur at the heel of bodaprez’s bwitch.
As I said, in Axelrod’s description of bodaprez, once that dope leaves the White House, that’s it. He will not look back, nor will he take any interest in it ever again. He never needed it in the first place.
So lurch is getting his ticket punched all over the place, even if it means toeing the line and playing the wind-up robot for now. He has a lot less bad crap in his CV than those other two.
Biden is a distasteful mess and Warren is not far behind him. So I look at sKerry as the next democrap candidate.
Maybe it’s all just karmic backlash for several people. You know who they are. Just look at what they did/didn’t do, how outraged the public was, and what is happening now.
I have seen stranger things happen than a bunch of self-centered, power-hungry jackasses getting so much backlash and contempt all at once. The timing on these events may seem strangely aligned, but sometimes, the universe just works that way.
And anyway, if you truly wanted to make the lefties look as bad as possible and expose them for the self-serving slime they really are, could one person put something like this together without assistance? I don’t think so.
Nixon had a whole team of people helping him go down a sewer. He didn’t do that alone. You have to ask what possessed him to keep a White House enemies list.
I’ve said before, you have to wait patiently for things to ripen to their maturity. These people are thugs. It’s finally coming to light. And bless the internet, none of this stuff really goes away. It’s all archived some place. Historians love digging up the kind of sewage that turns an administration on its head. I am quite sure that there are insiders, people who’ve been collecting the real-time info for a very long time, who are just waiting to publish the books they’ve put together.