The SEAL Who Knocked Ol’ Jessie Down

| July 10, 2014

Coming of age in the late 40’s and early 50’s, like so many I was a boy reared on the declining realities of WWII and the much more immediate Hollywood depictions of that cataclysmic event in Technicolor epics that could fire the sense of joining battle even in a Quaker. The United States Army designated we youthful devotees of such movies as John Wayne’s, foolish young men who leaned more to the Hollywood version of combat than the brutal reality our fathers experienced, with a lot to learn.

An integral part of that Hollywood and John Wayne induced reality was the barroom brawl, and as a former combat military policeman in the 101st Airborne Division during that era, I can assure you that such brawls were frequent, sometimes bloody, but above all, celebrated as demonstrations of unit pride. They would never admit it back then, but there were plenty of colonels and sergeant majors who swelled with satisfaction upon being handed a military police report that indicated their paratroopers had kicked the butts of the paratroopers from another battalion or regiment. That pride was pure spades if the defeated happened to be Marines. This was the Airborne Army back in the 50’s and early 60’s, the lifestyle among the elite units of the military in those long ago days. The training encouraged aggression and weekend alcohol fueled the fires of that aggression until it blazed throughout some on-post club or an off-post bar or night club in a club-wide brawl.

I have both been a participant in such brawls and policed many such fights; and the unwritten, unspoken but blood-sworn rule, held to by even those most egregiously battered, was that you never pointed a finger at whatever soldier it might have been who kicked your butt. When the fighting stopped, there were no recriminations and no blame attached to any participant. The parties either returned to their seats and resumed drinking or left the premises, frequently with numerous middle fingers being thrown back.

All of the above brings me to the point of this piece. A tough guy ex-Navy SEAL, Jesse Ventura, former professional wrestler and Minnesota governor, allegedly found himself in a bar in Coronado, California, frequented by SEALs where he reportedly imbibed adult beverages to the point where he became verbally boisterous about political and combat issues best not raised in such an environment. Another SEAL took offense and following the warrior tradition outlined in the paragraphs above, pulled a John Wayne and knocked ol’ governor Jessie smack on his butt. Or so the story goes, one that Jesse disputes.

Sadly, the SEAL who knocked ol’ Jessie down was later murdered by one of those inexplicable crazies that surface all too frequently and far too tragically, a young man the SEAL was endeavoring to help. Now, the widow of that SEAL who knocked ol’ Jessie down is being sued by Jessie, the Soulless SEAL, for defamation because her deceased husband had alleged on television that he had, indeed once knocked ol’ Jessie down.

Good grief, Jessie, lots of us military tough guys get knocked down in barroom fights from time to time; I most certainly have and know how well it hurts, both physically and emotionally. But the real men always get up and get over it, sometimes even buying the guy who belted us a beer. And you want to sue the guy’s widow? Because he says he kicked your butt? Hell Jessie, you’re no real SEAL, you’re just a crass, greedy opportunist seeking headlines no matter what the financial and emotional costs to the widow of a REAL SEAL.

Jessie, I would wager you’re stock is well beneath contempt in the military community.

Crossposted at American Thinker

Category: Legal

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ChipNASA

He’s not even worthy of being called a Turd’s turd.

Sgt K

I’m wondering what Don Shipley says about ventura vis a vis his being a Seal? ventura has never released his military records. The only thing I know is that he was UDT and there seems to be a lot of confusion on if he was actually a Seal. I’m sure the Seals would disavow this piece of sh!t if they could.

royh

I believe Chief Shipley says that Janos is a SEAL. I asked this before and AFAICR that’s what I was told. I am amenable to being corrected if this is incorrect.

Climb to Glory

That was a posted a few years ago. It would be interesting what he thinks of him today though.

C-130J Loadmaster

Don addressed the whole SEAL thing awhile back…

Redacted1775

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KeO1DUtnKsE

Hope that’s the right one. The Senior Chief basically says yes due to the way BUD/S grads were assigned to the Teams back then. Either way he’s still a butt plug.

Jumpmaster!

Was Ventura a SEAL? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, he is wrong to be suing.

http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt.htm

UpNorth

I’m thinking the title of this thread would be a great song. To be sung every time Jessie’s/James’s face appeared anywhere.

Eggs

To the tune of “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”?

Just an Old Dog

I was thinking the same thing,,,,

Just an Old Dog

‘Was the night he knocked ol’Jessie down’
Cause his lips he was flappin’
The night he knocked ‘ol scruff face down.
and the people were clappin’

They daid ha ha haha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

The bar was McP’s (an Irish Pub establishment that I have visited on more than one occasion and enjoyed a variety of adult libations) … and there were many eye witnesses. Several have sworn out affeedavies.

This incident happended, I know it did, Janos knows it did, the judge and/or jury will render a verdict based on these truths!

Great article Poetrooper!

OS1 USN RET

I have ate and drank there many of times with the MIUWU i was stationed with and while living in Coronado

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Can’t wait to see the security camera footage!

Oops …. did I just say that?

Never mind!

Old Trooper

Once the trial is over; I suppose it will become public consumption? If not, it will be a shame not to be able to actually see how it went down, literally.

Ex-PH2

Geez, Poe, could you stop being so damn nice once in a while?

Ol’ Jesse is a has-been with an inflated ego and a victim complex, typical attention whore, and a greedy, soulless clodpole, and not much else.

And how do you think people will remember him? As the guy who sued a widow. The guy who ran a tinfoil hat TV show. Hell, he can’t even let go of the title ‘governor’, you know.

If anything, he is the epitome of the toad-spotted, gorbellied, squalling, puking, mewling, overblown, overgrown infant who can’t let go of the cow’s teat he was raised on.

Old Trooper

Well, to be fair, Huckabee is still called Governor, also. I think many still go by their highest public office that they held, when addressing them.

Blaster

Ex-PH2, you’re gonna have to quit sugar-coating your feelings of others and just come on out with what you really think of them. You’ll feel much better.:)

Ex-PH2

Blaster:

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3!!

2/17 Air Cav

Well, Janos says he’ll take the stand. No shit. This isn’t a criminal trial and he’s not the defendant. You bet he’ll take the stand–whether he wants to or not. And then, the nutjob will be thoroughly revealed to the jurors.

The Other Whitey

Fuck Scruff Face Janos.

Climb to Glory

Yeah, that’s one hell of a commercial. I saw that commercial not too long ago. I’m sure most civilians went, huh? They probably didn’t understand the meaning of it.

Sapper3307

Put a dent in my ten pack.
Amen

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Cloudy here dickweed … thanks!

Hawk

Seconded. Damn it…

Jonp

Stolen and soon to be posted all over the forums

Pineywoods NCO

Crap…damned allergies and onions.

cato

It takes a special POS to say what janos did in the bar.

It took a real warrior to adjust janos’s attitude for his disrespect of those who died for this country.

It takes a really low life POS to file suit against a real deceased warrior’s wife after he got his a$$ appropriately and deservedly kicked.

janos, ventura, whatever he calls himself…..I rightly call him a POS.

nbcguy54

The irony – when he retired from wrestling due to a blood clot, he claimed it was from Agent Orange exposure. During his Navy time, the closest he got to VietNam was the Philipines, and I don’t think they used Agent Orange there… After claiming early in his wrestling career that he was in VietNam, after being called out on it he did finally change his story.
He never has had any real credibility, so I reckon he’ll get slammed pretty good in the courtroom. I’m sure there are others who like to kick his old, pathetic ass too, but most of those folks won’t bother since that wouldn’t be much of a challenge.
Out.

Just an Old Dog

I wonder if he “had time to bleed” after he got clocked in his snot locker and put on his ass.

Ex-PH2

I have a female Himmie who could probably kick his ass. She weighs about 8 pounds. I think she could take him.

Hondo

Himalayan? Seal or blue point?

Tom Stedham

Guys: take a step back for a sec, and consider US law on this issue. Jess is technically suing “Kyle’s estate”, which she now owns. If he wins, SHE will not lose a dime. Any settlement will come from an INSURANCE COMPANY, via the book publisher, I’m told. It’s not as if she will have to write a check out of her own bank account, for example. Surely you can ask an attorney about this. I have written about this incident many times, and I have yet to encounter an actual Navy SEAL, who was actually in that bar, and will swear that the “fight” happened. Supposedly affidavits have been sworn, by SEALs claiming to be eyewitnesses. I would very much like to read them. I have reached out to many people in the community in the past; so far, I can’t seem to locate a single SEAL who backs the fight story. Plenty of people “heard about it”, plenty of people “believe it”, and plenty of people say their buddy “was there”, but…. So far, no names, no sworn statements. How about it, THIS AIN’T HELL. You guys have a lot more stroke than I do. Can you locate these “eye witnesses”? Can you quote them, even anonymously? Everyone is talking about Don Shipley; surely you can reach him, and I’m quite sure in five minutes he could reach each and every SEAL claiming to be in that bar, and get their side. I’d take Don’s word. Wouldn’t you? And for the record, you claim that “Jesse is suing because he got his butt kicked.” WRONG. He’s suing because Kyle claimed that Jesse BAD MOUTHED BUSH, AND SAID THAT WE DESERVED TO “LOSE A FEW” SEALS in the war. Jesse, as a proud military veteran, VEHEMENTLY DENIES that he said anything remotely like that. And because of Kyle’s statements in his book, Jesse says that he has lost a lot of work, because now a lot of people view him the way you guys do. Why is he “wrong”, or a “coward” for seeking legal redress??? If this shit… Read more »

Climb to Glory

Wow, where to start. Equating Chris Kyle’s heroic service record with guys in Leavenworth is a stretch, at best. The point is that Janos is a douche for suing a fellow warrior, frogman or not. You just don’t do it. It’s against the Warrior code. Janos was already discredited and marginalized long before this through nobodies fault but his own.

“I’m asking WHY you won’t listen to Jesse’s side, with an open mind.”

I’ll tell you why. It is because Janos is apart of the “Tin Foil Hat Brigade” and therefore what credit does he really have. What did Kyle have to gain from this at all, so why would he lie about it? Its probably best if you take a few deep breaths and sit down for a while. Maybe call Alex Jones for some consoling.

Just an Old Dog

Why the fuck would a publishing company pay an insurance premium to cover the conduct of a writer who got sued?
Jessie “the cockmole” Ventura is going after the prceeds of sales of the book, not some insurance account set up in case a writer pisses someone off. The book publisher has jack shit to do with the case, other than providing funds from the sales if ordered by the court,

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Tom, Time to disect, respectfully: You say, “How about it, THIS AIN’T HELL. You guys have a lot more stroke than I do. Can you locate these “eye witnesses”? Can you quote them, even anonymously? Everyone is talking about Don Shipley; surely you can reach him, and I’m quite sure in five minutes he could reach each and every SEAL claiming to be in that bar, and get their side. I’d take Don’s word. Wouldn’t you? And for the record, you claim that “Jesse is suing because he got his butt kicked.” WRONG. He’s suing because Kyle claimed that Jesse BAD MOUTHED BUSH, AND SAID THAT WE DESERVED TO “LOSE A FEW” SEALS in the war. Jesse, as a proud military veteran, VEHEMENTLY DENIES that he said anything remotely like that.” ************** I say, “You are damn right we at TAH do and we have. I have spoken to people who were there! Hell no, I am not going to quote anyone! If they want to talk they will and by they way, most in attendance were Team guys, their friends and family members. Such events are private and it was Janos who rode in and caused the schitz storm. Furthermore, most of the witnesses are all in the military and subject to the UCMJ. I have never heard of someone purposely putting themselves on report for an incident that did not warrant even a bat of a crossed eye. Damn right everyone is talking about SCPO Don Shipley. Have you ever really looked at, notice and believed in his hair? If not, I won’t explain and NO you can’t have his phone number! Every SEAL at the bar attended a “wet down” … “Hail and Fairwell” ceremony for a fallen Team Mate … Period. No one really gives a schitz about Janos! He just ruined what should have been a sad and happy event … he made it weird! And for the record, he did BAD MOUTH BUSH, AND SAID THAT WE DESERVED TO “LOSE A FEW” SEALS in the war or words to that effect. Janos is a… Read more »

NHSparky

And Janos really should feel like fetid dog shit, considering what Monsoor did:

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3460/monsoor-michael-a.php

While the SEALs vigilantly watched for enemy activity, an insurgent threw a hand grenade from an unseen location, which bounced off Petty Officer Monsoor’s chest and landed in front of him. Although only he could have escaped the blast, Petty Officer Monsoor chose instead to protect his teammates. Instantly and without regard for his own safety, he threw himself onto the grenade to absorb the force of the explosion with his body, saving the lives of his two teammates. By his undaunted courage, fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty in the face of certain death, Petty Officer Monsoor gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

OWB

The fact that you do not know the names of the witnesses only indicates that you have no need to know those names. If that changes, you will be made aware.

In the meanwhile, you asked how we might react to a similar situation? Well, most of us would not have done any of the things ole Janos did, starting with mouthing off at a bonding moment among SEALS. Lets say that we were too drunk to make the rational decision to not run off at the mouth inappropriately, and got knocked on our ass as a result – then most of us would stand up, shake it off, and buy the guy who knocked us down a beer.

Let’s further assume that any of us might have a pending law suit against a guy, any guy, who ends up dead. Most of us would simply withdraw the lawsuit, not sue the dead man’s estate.

This really isn’t complicated. Janos is wrong, on multiple levels.

Isnala

Not to belittle one of your points, but even as a proud zoomie, chair force retiree, even i know there’s no way in hell there’s enough liwuid courage in the world that would enable someone of the faith/brotherhood/sisterhood to get any where near the courge to bad mouth a SEAL during said SEAL’s washdown (or any other brother or sister for that matter). Ain’t possible! Only someone with out honor and low character would even think about it.

We won’t even get into not dropping the law suite.

OWB

Agreed. Your assessment certainly applies to the folks with whom I associate. Some people just have no sense when adult beverages are involved, but that probably speaks more to their willingness to act without honor under other circumstances as well.

Just an Old Dog

It sounds like we have a Jessie fan-boi here. Google Tom and you will find he is on the fringes on the entertainment industry, few appearances in movies here and there. He also accused Kyle of being a “Bitch”
Internet is forever Tom.

remember posting this gem?

Tom Stedham • 3 years ago
I posted the story from The Daily Mail about this younger, stronger, better shape combat vet SEAL sucker punching Jesse in a bar…
I flat-out called Kyle a “bitch” for sucker-punching a 55-yr old fat, out of shape Jesse AND THEN RUNNING AWAY!!! That is explained in the article: he punched and ran away.

I don’t know what Jesse said or who he was talking to when Kyle decided to attack him.

I just know that sucker punching and running away is a bitch move, from anyone.

I’m with Jesse on this one…”

http://randomthoughtsandguns.blogspot.com/2012/01/honors-lineage-and-titles.html

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

If that is not the gheyest “this is of the most uncomfortable moments of my life … I can’t stand it when females touch my freshly shaven chest” … Then I am not a Navy Chief!

NHSparky

I know someone who isn’t a Navy Chief–honorary or otherwise…

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Is not, never was nor will he ever be!

Ex-PH2

Poe, could at leaste post a spew warning for something like that??? PLEASE!!!!!

charles w

Nice work.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

BTW: My Master Chief taught me to “punch and run” too. He also taught me to “stay and fight” as well.

Janos is a punk and fell into the “punch and run” category because it was not a fight. Janos was the looser the moment he insulted everyone at the event and disrespected the future MoH recipient.

Any questions?

AW1 Tim

My dad, the ex-Navy Corpsman, taught me to always be prepared and to NEVER fight fair. His advice was to take a roll of dimes and roll it up in my neckerchief before I tied it off. use a couple rubber bands to hold the roll right in the back. It’s hidden by the sailor collar.

In a pinch, you just grab the square knot and pull it off over your head. Voila! An instant blackjack, complete with enough dimes to call your CMC to come and bail you out. 🙂

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Never fight fair!

Old Trooper

If you find yourself in a fair fight; your tactics suck.

However, I believe the explanation for the “hit and run” came down to people removing Chris from the scene, not him “running away”, so that there wouldn’t be any more to the incident. It was, after all, a memorial service, not a UFC match.

That Chet Stedman, here, doesn’t understand that part, doesn’t surprise me.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

I loved fighting. Third born of seven Irish kids. Five boys. My dad had 2 sets of leather Everlast 16 oz. gloves, head gear and testicle protectors (old school stuff). We used to pound the schitz out of each other at big family Irish gathers. In the Navy I was top pick for “fantail smokers”. I hear they don’t do it anymore because the cost of participation trophies has recently sky rocketed. And in the bars I always hit first, hard and fast.

Now, I create a witness friendly environment, always have a good lawyer and ensure when some attempts to assault me … They go to jail.

Yeah … Jail baby. I hung up fist fighting a long time ago.

Jail …

Just an Old Dog

Ha fun times MCPO,
When we had family get togethers my dad and uncles would get all the youngins together and toss up in the bed of a pick up truck. There would be 5-6 of us in there, aged 4-7.
Last one left in the truck got a quarter. It would last until my mom and aunts heard all the scrapping and came out raising holy hell at the menfolk for making us scrap like roosters,

Veritas Omnia Vincit

My family were Germans, mostly construction workers blue collar guys….my dad and my uncles would gladly toss us around to “teach us about life”….

Beating the crap out of each other was good family fun. It took me until the age of 30-35 to realize it’s not the best way to go through life…I’ve spent the last 25 years donating my time to my community through youth sports, writing grants, anything I can to keep the good Karma flowing.

I never had to learn about jail, glad for that. Have a great weekend my friend.

Ex-PH2

I find that sarcasm works.

That, and staring at someone. Blinking is allowed.

A long, colorful vocabulary works quite well, also.

Jonp

You are correct as I have posted many times. I have no real respect for Janos and his at times crazy stances but he has every right to sue an author who he thinks has made false claims about him. If the author is deceased then he most certainly has the right to go after his estate to try and get further editions of the book printed with a retraction in the front to “clear his name”.

I personally think that this is a silly fight on his part. What harm is coming his way from this? People that don’t like him still don’t and those that do are not going to believe it. He should just drop it as it sure is not making him look good but it is his right to continue.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Mr. Stedham, I understand your position, but regular guys don’t sue over bullshit like that. If you and I have a disagreement that comes to blows I don’t sue after you kick my ass, I might tell you I still think you’re full of shit but that’s the end of it for me. Mr. Ventura has shown himself to be a man of low moral character for quite some time, being an elected politician is no guarantee of honesty either. One might argue that being a successful politician means you are a successful liar. Mr. Ventura participated in a sport that was legally obligated to remove any reference to sport from the program and replace the word sport with entertainment because it was all made up bullshit. That calls into question his moral integrity that he play acts for money and pretends it’s real. Some folks would call that lying. Claiming the government would bring down the towers on 9/11 because you’re too stupid to understand simple building engineering concepts like weight and stress load under heat is another indicator that you are not the smartest or most honest person in the room. I don’t know anything about either man other than what their public record says about them. Based on that information I would have to say that while Mr. Ventura has the right to sue, it’s sometimes the better part of valor and integrity not to exercise your right. Mr. Ventura has taken a path that one would expect a person of low moral character and questionable honesty and integrity to take. His actions and words have defined his life a life of dishonesty in pretending to be in actual competitions of espousing an opinion that the US Government would kill 3000 of its’ own people to start a war these actions define a man without integrity, honor, or honesty. With this litigation those words and actions continue to expose his true character. A man of integrity would drop this and state for the record that Chris Kyle didn’t name him because there was a discrepancy over the… Read more »

nbcguy54

Tom – point taken. However you may want to reconsider this:

“Jesse, as a proud military veteran, VEHEMENTLY DENIES that he said anything remotely like that.”

As I briefly noted above, this guy used fake VietNam service during his wrestling career for whatever reason. He claimed the blood clot that forced him to retire from wrestling was caused by exposure to Agent Orange in VietNam. He said more than his fair share of stupid stuff during his political days as well. He has done more than enough to harm his “future” career himself than anything that has been written in a book. I, and many others, have a hard time believing any of his “vehmenent” statements. He’s just another has-been looking for an easy paycheck…

AW1 Tim

His lawsuit is what we call “playing the redneck lotto”.

Suing someone and hoping to make a big payday by settling out of court.

What ol’ Janos is going to find out toute suite is that discovery is a 2-edged sword.

I suspect that the tinfoil-hat wearing former governor is going to be the one getting his butt kicked by the jury.

Hondo

I think I’ll just leave this here . . . .

streetsweeper

Tom Stedham…How’s life in Riverside, Ca., treating you? It takes a certain amount of balls to roll up on us like that and expect to get away unscathed. Next time you see Janos, you may tell him the same I’m gonna tell you. “Fuck you and him, in the ear sideways, with a frozen trout”. When and if Don Shipley, SCPO USN (RET) decides to speak, he will. Until then, take a number get to the back of the f’ng line, maggot.

BREAK:

Hondo, nice landmine, bro. Hehehehe…

GDContractor

StreetSweeper – I must commend your restraint. For a minute there, I thought you were going to mention the pineapple. Well played.

clamsgotlegs

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Aluminum-Foil-Origami

Maybe there is an opening on DIY network for a new tin foil show?

GDContractor

SGTK said: ” ventura has never released his military records.”

Order up!
http://cursor.org/venturawatch/foia_docs.htm

No CAR
No Presidential Unit Citation

Best summary article I have found: http://cursor.org/venturawatch/dangerous_game.htm

Hondo

GDContractor: thanks – I was looking for the first link you posted (I’d seen it before), but had trouble finding it again. I agree about the 2nd article.

Here, I have to respectfully disagree with Senior Chief Shipley.
If Janos’ contemporaries who served in both SEAL and UDT say there was a BIG difference between UDT and SEAL during Vietnam, well, they’d be in a position to know. And that’s precisely what they say.

Further, they say that transfer from UDT to SEAL was available at any time, virtually NQA. They also say that most UDT folks when Janos was UDT didn’t like the idea of transferring to SEAL and almost certainly getting their a$$ shot at (and possibly off).

Bottom line, IMO: in the early 1970s, SEAL and UDT were different NECs. Had Janos wanted to be a SEAL in Vietnam, he’d have transferred from UDT to SEAL, changing NECs in the process, and been one. Per his EPR at the first link you cited, apparently Janos never did; all his assignments were to UDT 12. So in my book Janos was never a SEAL while on active duty – the later combination of the of the rates and retroactive declaration of equivalence by DoN be damned. Others may see it differently.

IMO, the only way Janos was ever a SEAL would have been possibly in a USNR capacity after his discharge from active duty in Dec 1973. I’ve read that about him, but I’ve never seen any documentary proof that’s true.

mr. sharkman

Here is a good indicator of Janos’ standing amongst Teamguys. The petition can no longer be downloaded, and the list of Teamguys who had signed is also unavailable for some reason – but that list was long and contained no shortage of names that are legendary (to Teamguys).

http://maritimetacticalsecurity.com/MtsNews.aspx#Ventura

MCPO speaks the truth.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

ROG WILCO Mr. Sharkman.

Jonp

To be taken seriously they probably should have spelt “demanding” correctly in the first sentence

2/17 Air Cav

“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.”

It’s Friday. Unless there is a last-day entry, that is the week’s winning comment. (TAH recognizes the workweek as the official week, holidays included.) Congratulations, Old Trooper.

Old Trooper

Thanks. I heard that saying many moons ago.

Dave Hardin

Sometimes peoples actions speak so loudly I can not hear a word they are saying. “The Body” has made a career out of being a loud mouth showboat. I have no doubt that mouth of his writes checks his ass can not cash. I generally defer most froggy expertise to our Liberace haired friend. If he says the man can ‘call’ himself a Seal, fine by me. I am sure he is an embarrassment to most anyone that ‘calls’ themselves a seal. I am all too often embarrassed by those that ‘call’ themselves Marine. This event is exacerbated by the death of a respected veteran. “The Body” is an accurate moniker. His actions consistently reveal a man who lacks intestinal fortitude requisite dignity. He exemplifies the term, ‘Attention Whore’.

ByrdMan

Chris Kyle was an excellent Navy SEAL. He saved lives. He did his duty and he did it well. He deserves the respect he gets and he certainly has mine.

That does not mean that he wasn’t a man full of bravado and tall tales.

What about the story of him shooting two robbers outside Dallas? A tale that has no corroborating evidence. A tale that three county Sheriffs that cover the area have said did not happen.

What about his tales of shooting criminals from atop the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina in 2005? A tale that even one of his superiors stated “defies the imagination”.

I believe that him punching Ventura/Janos whatever is just another of those tall tales.

I find it hard to believe that Jesse Ventura could get punched out in Southern California and it doesn’t come to light until Chris Kyle is on a radio show promoting his book 6 years later.

I find it suspect that defendant witness depositions contained in court documents available online all have different recollections of the details of the evening, especially in regards to where the fight happened and what Ventura said.

Jim Janos/Jesse Ventura is a weird dude. I find his views questionable and his recent actions with this lawsuit detestable. His crackpot theories on 9/11 make ME want to punch him in the face. I believe that whatever “reputation” he was trying to save has been lost when he continued with the suit after Chris Kyle was murdered.

But I don’t believe that Chris Kyle knocked him out/down in Coronado, CA.

Hondo

Please post URLs for documents available online.

FWIW: the fact that the witness statements are NOT all identical is actually a point in their favor. Multiple identical accounts of an event without variation in some small detail is often an indicator of collusion to “get the story right”.

ByrdMan

Hondo,

I’ll find those docs. It may take a minute as their is now more online about this now than when I first viewed them.

I understand that eyewitness testimony may not match up exactly, but cricumstances like where it happened (inside the bar vs. outside the bar) should.

ByrdMan

Hondo,

I believe that this is what I read. Some of it is redacted, but, in my opinion, it makes me question the accuracty of the defandant’s witnesses.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/219635030/Jesse-Ventura-and-Taya-Kyle-s-Trial-Briefs

Hondo

ByrdMan, GDContractor: thanks. I’ll take a look at those as time permits today.

Dave Hardin

I once told all of my Attorneys that I expected to be billed ‘Per Pound of Promulgation’. Nothing like the verbose meandering of the legal mind.

GDContractor

It makes a few of Tom Stedham’s assertions wrong. Who he’s suing, why he’s suing, etc.

Dave Hardin

Great post. Thanks. I just have to read mountains of this too often. Why say things in ten words if you can pay an attorney to do it with 100.

Valerie Conley

What makes me so mad is — he HAD the opportunity to drop the lawsuit and not sue Chris’s wife. The suit was filed before Chris was murdered. When Chris was murdered, from what I understand, his own attorneys asked if he wanted to just drop it and he declined and proceeded to sue Chris’s wife and estate.

Even if he did graduate UDT school and perform at least satisfactorily in Viet Nam, someone needs to rip off his cajones and stuff them up his nose. But that is just my opinion.

Just an Old Dog

Valerie,
Ventura never set foot in Vietnam. He was a member of a UDT unit and spent his time in the Phillipines or on float off SEA.
Thats the reason he has a Vietnam Service Ribbon.