Why does the Pentagon hate the troops?
The Washington Post‘s editorial board unsurprisingly writes this morning that the troops don’t need to be armed on their bases, which are now gun free zones. The only people on military bases who are armed are the sparse law enforcement personnel and people who don’t bother to obey the law – people like Nidal Hasan and Ivan Lopez, the Fort Hood shooters. The Pentagon concurs with the Post’s opinion. You know the Pentagon, which is surrounded by well-armed guards.
The Defense Department has considered, twice, whether putting more guns in the hands of on-base personnel would make its facilities safer: after the 2009 Fort Hood shooting and after last year’s Washington Navy Yard massacre. Both times, Defense Department spokesman Damien Pickart said, the Pentagon declined to change policy, deciding that arming more people on base would pose safety problems and that the military would have to provide a lot of additional, costly weapons training.
One major concern is that disagreements inevitably arise among co-workers, whether soldier or civilian; base commanders should not want to make it easier for escalating fights to turn deadly. Another is that even well-meaning people can miss with a shot or accidentally discharge a weapon. “Even in the military, there’s varying levels of training and capability at using weapons,” Steve Bucci, a Heritage Foundation analyst and former Army commander, told the Christian Science Monitor. Both are reasons for a clear delegation of on-base safety to people who are on duty and trained to provide close-quarters security outside of a battlefield context.
Of course, we’re talking about the same Pentagon that was perfectly willing to sacrifice American lives for the sake of appearances in Afghanistan, when there was a spike in “green-on-blue” attacks there. It took about 60 deaths of US troops who were killed by our “allies” because the perfumed princes of Arlington thought that arming the troops in front of Afghans would insult them. So who is really surprised that the current crop of so-called leaders doesn’t want American troops to be able to protect themselves in their own country when they wouldn’t let them protect themselves in a combat zone for appearances sake?
That bullshit about escalating disagreements is a strawman. The troops disagree with each other in combat without shooting one another. However, I remember a few years back when armed contracted civilian gate guards at the old Walter Reed had a shootout over a disagreement about a woman.
If the military is promoting people to Sergeant rank who they don’t trust with firearms, maybe they need to take a look at their criteria for those promotions. In combat, those sergeants have the fire power equal to an entire World War II platoon, but the Pentagon won’t let those same sergeants have a handgun to protect the health and welfare of their troops in garrison?
Or maybe, they should stop promoting hand-wringing pussies to flag ranks, leaders who have faith in the lower ranks. But, like I said, they’re ensconced in layers of armed security at the Puzzle Palace and that’s all that counts.
I understand why the Post would be against more armed people on military bases, I know why they hate the troops, but why do the troops’ leaders in the Pentagon hate the troops and want more of them dead?
Category: Military issues
Sounds like they are scared pussies and fear for their safety. Sounds a lot like other libtard politicians with armed security and their willingness to let their desires be known like many of our worst hypocritical politicians.
It wouldn’t cost them a dime to allow ccw on base. Good enough for civilians but not good enough for troops with more training. Thanks our Lords for keeping the serfs protected from each other.
Fuckng brass.
Aren’t generals and admirals promoted by Congress? Then it should come as no surprise who the lying elitist hypocrites choose. Birds of a feather and all that…
It’s simple. As the Grand High exalted Brass-Ass Schmucks see it, all of us Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines are expendable idiots, and political correctness WILL be enforced at all times!!
screw the brass in their ivory pentagons!
i’ve said it before, the whole military should be run be e-9’s eliminate the officers. by eliminating the officers, you also eliminate any bad e-9s. the brown-nosing, under the desk types.
Maybe those higher up are afraid of the troops.
Wait – strike that ‘maybe’. They ARE afraid of the troops. The higher the rank, the deeper the fear. I’m sure everyone below the rank of E-7 in all branches is a threat to those morons.
I am confident that one can enter the WP building or the NY Times building and be greeted by unarmed security personnel in the lobby of both. It just would not make any sense for the papers to allow gun-toting security personnel, given the papers’ longstanding opposition to citizen self protection. I mean, what would they need armed security for when the local police departments are readily available? In a similar vein, I bet that neither building would have fire extinguishers were they not required by code. After all, the fire department is only a phone call away, just like the police. Yep. I’m sure of this.
Great analogy with fire extinguisher. May I use that in future debates? With attribution, of course.
What was the previous reg for carrying on post?
I would think think that at minimum platoon leaders should be able to carry.
Um…A 2LT…with a loaded firearm?
IIRC on-post firearms restrictions started around 1982 (I think someone else had the thread here with that info) as part of a general tightening up of security and other regulations regarding on-post activities. This would have been during the Reagan buildup, when the military was trying to pull itself out of the post-Vietnam doldrums (I entered active duty in August, 1980, when Carter was still president and I can verify that the Army was in pretty bad shape then. Lots of drugs, discipline problems, crappy facilities, failing equipment, etc.)
“Liberalized” Concealed carry did not start until the mid to late 1990’s (I think Florida and Texas were two of the states that started the trend, although WA had “Shall-issue” CCW when I was stationed at Lewis in 1989.)
So, the point of all this long-windedness is to simply say that there has never been a time when you had both (a) CCW permits commonly held by ‘regular joes’ and also (b) no restrictions on CCW at military installations.
Also, AFAIK privately owned firearms have been against regs in the barracks for decades, my guess would be that particular reg goes back to at least WWII. Soldiers who live in the barracks have always been required to store their privately owned firearms in the company arms room.
I could see why they may not want Privates carrying pow’s around everyday, but yeah, if they have enough faith in a troop to make them an NCO then they should trust them with carrying a weapon on duty. If they are promoting people who they DON’T have that much confidence in then they gotta problem and maybe need to think about bringing back the higher Specialist pay grades.
In 1975, we Airmen living in the dormitories had to keep our privately owned weapons in the base armory. I remember a TSgt, who lived in the dorm, decided the rule didn’t apply to him so he kept his 20 gauge shotguns in his room. He loved to go bird hunting and said he didn’t have time after work to bother with the rule. One day his shotguns were stolen and he complained to the 1st Sgt. The shirt told him to make his complaint, but, to keep in mind he would also be busted for keeping weapons in the dorm. The results were no complaint was filed and the shirt gave us all hell at his weekly come to Jesus meeting for violating the no weapons rule.
No surprises here. They forget how many people are currently locked and loaded wandering around Afghanistan without issues.