The folks we give thanks for – LTC Stirm
First off – a Happy Thanksgiving to all you turkeys (you just knew some one of we smartasses just had to say it, didn’t you?) Now, if you’re more than, say, 50 or so, try to hear the word “turkey” used like that without hearing it in Jerry Reed’s voice. If you can – if not I, guarantee you either have no sense of humor or are from somewhere up North of God’s country.
Thank you. Thank you for serving. Thank you for writing that famous blank check for all of us – without all of you, we wouldn’t have a country (albeit screwed up as it presently is) to give thanks IN. Go have a great Thanksgiving, and may you spend it (hopefully) with family. I suspect most have done the other and spent a past Thanksgiving or two out of country doing America’s bidding. And thank you for making it back so your loved ones can be with you. And thanks for dropping by TAH – even if you feel one of us deserves a little hell, and give it to us – it’s all one big mostly-happy family. Have an extra drumstick – on me.

Now the actual subject of today’s column is a fella named Robert Stirm. You might not know him by name, and probably not even by face – but you know his back and his family. Lieutenant Colonel Robert Stirm was a guest of the North Vietnamese in various prisons from 1967 to 1973 after his F-105 Thunderchief was shot down on October 27.
He was held captive for 1,966 days in five different POW camps in Hanoi and North Vietnam, including the notorious “Hanoi Hilton,” known for torturing and starving its captives, primarily American pilots shot down during bombing raids. Its most famous prisoner was the late U.S. Sen. John McCain, who also was shot down in 1967.
McCain and Stirm had known each other. They shared a wall in solitary confinement and communicated through a tapping code.
“John McCain tapped in this joke. First time Dad laughed in jail,” Kitching said. “I just wish I knew what that joke was,” she said. “I’m sure it was something very ribald.”
A member of our military saying something off-color? Say it ain’t so!
Stirm, who was 39 when the photo was taken, told the AP 20 years later that he had several copies of it, but didn’t display it in his house. He had been handed a “Dear John” letter from his wife, Loretta, by a chaplain upon his release.
The couple divorced a year after Stirm returned from Vietnam and both remarried within six months.
Stirm retired from the Air Force in 1977 after 25 years of service. He joined Ferry Steel Products, a business his grandfather started in San Francisco. He also had worked as a corporate pilot. Military.com
The Pulitzer-winning photo, known as the “Burst of Joy”, was a heartbreaking memory for Stirm, as you can imagine.
Appropriately, LTC Stirm crossed the rainbow bridge on Veteran’s Day this year at the age of 92.
Category: Air Force, Vietnam, We Remember





Happy Thanksgiving to all!!! Turkey is on the smoker.
I know, I know. “Having a wonderful time! Wish you were here..” So do I, my friend, so do I! That will be a delicious turkey! Enjoy.
(Slow salute)
RIP, good sir.
We got it from here.
For details of the very mixed bag or emotions behind the photo moment there is an article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_of_Joy
Five years in the HH? This man has our undying respect and gratitude. Rest easy now, we will take it from here.
I knew many Vietnam Veterans who wished him nothing but the best and nothing but the worst for his ex-wife after what happened/what she did. One old timer (who passed away recently) I used to see at the local watering hole claimed she was unrepentant about that and taking half his pension right up to the end.
Thank you for your service, Colonel.
I’m thinking… be afraid… when we build the Jane Fonda Memorial Piss Tube, should we build an extra?
The isn’t enough piss and shit in this country to dump on her.
We still must try.
Yes.
For her, or the shitbag judge that decided she deserved anything?? Or how about both?
With a little luck she didn’t get a full 50%.
Under the divorce settlement, Loretta Stirm was awarded 42.9% of Robert Stirm’s military retirement pay.
In addition to the pension share, she reportedly also was awarded the family home.
According to one source, she had received — while he was POW — about $140,000 of his pay from the Air Force.
The reason the court awarded her 42.9% of his retirement pay is rooted in how property and income earned during the marriage are treated under the law (especially in states recognizing shared/marital property). Even though Stirm and Loretta divorced before he actually retired, the judge determined she was entitled to a portion of his future pension.
The fact that the court awarded this share despite evidence of her infidelity during his imprisonment (“the judge said a great deal of evidence showed a pattern of misconduct on her part”) suggests that marital-property laws then (and in their jurisdiction) did not automatically reduce pension-sharing due to marital misconduct.
In essence: although she abandoned him (sent the Dear John letter), the pension was viewed legally as a marital asset accumulated during their marriage — and once divorced, the court divided that asset, giving her roughly 43%.
Call me biased… “you had me at BAH” may be a trap:
Having gotten divorced while mobilized, I ain’t too sympathetic toward her either. Here’s one from ’43 a Joe brought back from overseas and tacked to a wall to piss everyone off some more:
Wow
I asked my friend Chad what he thought about this letter. The use of the word “guy” seemed kind of odd, but apparently was a in common use back then.
Response from Chad:
Short answer: Yes, “guy” was absolutely in use long before 1943, so its presence does not make the letter anachronistic. But the letter still raises some red flags that suggest it might not be genuinely from 1943 for other reasons.
From what I see in the image, there are several details that feel inconsistent with a genuine 1943 letter, though none are absolute proof:
1. Handwriting style looks modern-ish
The cursive looks closer to post-1950s school handwriting styles than to typical 1930s–40s penmanship, which tended to have:
• more formal loops
• more slanted writing
• more consistent line spacing
The writing here looks looser and more modern.
2. Tone feels contemporary
Phrases like:
• “really nice guy”
• “don’t hate me”
• “have a good life”
…feel more like later 20th-century breakup language than WWII-era correspondence. Women in 1940s letters were typically more formal in emotional language.
3. “Ford convertible” detail isn’t wrong, but feels modern-romanticized
Ford convertibles existed, but the phrasing has a very modern storytelling vibe.
4. Paper and ink (from the photo) don’t look 80+ years old
Even under good preservation, paper from 1943 normally shows:
• yellowing
• edge wear
• some brittleness
This sheet looks too white and crisp, though lighting might affect that.
True, but it was appealing– call me bitter.
No folds? Then how mailed?
“Guy” comes from the effigies burned for Guy Fawkes Day and is about three centuries old.
Also, one thing Chad didn’t catch, but I thought suspicious, was the date August 29th, which is the day Skynet becomes self aware and nukes humankind in Terminator 2 Judgment Day.
It might not be related, but it certainly works as an end of the world kind of thing for the guy receiving that Dear John letter.
Overall, the letter is probably/likely a copy of an original 1943 letter.
a Dear John Connor letter.
The cost of war is all to often highest at home.
And some spouses are the weakest link… as Santa says:

Happy Thanksgiving!
As for the “Burst of Joy” photo, that woman is probably one of the worst pieces of shit I have ever seen. She had 4! kids with LTC Stirm before she decided she was unhappy with him and couldn’t make it work?!
Damn bro. She belongs to the streets.
That’s why I always liked girls like my cars, with zero miles. When you buy an used car, you are paying for someone else’s problems.
Don’t get me wrong, I had plenty of used cars, but those are pump and dump, smash and dash, hit it and quit it.
Do not fall in love and make a long term investment in something you didn’t break and break-in. The chances of success are far higher when you are the first and only owner of that equipment. It is not guaranteed, but statistically your chances are sky high compared to a previously owned equipment.
As said above, apparently she showed indifference/total lack of anything resembling remorse when even her own children later in life thought what she had done was wrong. Zero regrets.
She was a selfish and horrible woman… she sure had no problems/regrets with taking his money after it ended.
She sure is a “piece of work”, much like the “professional Spouses” you so often see around Military Facilities, marrying and divorcing as soon as they either have Joe’s kid or are able to claw into his retirement, the ones who shack up with Jody as soon as the Husband is either in the field or deployed. I’ve even heard of ones who married their Jodies while their Spouse was deployed and got busted for Bigamy, first during DS/DS.
Marine singin’ about that:
Hmmmm …. I followed your advice 38 years ago! Thanks.
(^__^)
According to this article:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/351393
About 45 percent of POW marriages ended in divorce within the first 5 years of the returning home. After that the percentage match civilian rates.
I found other claims that 31 percent of POW marriages ended within the first year or returning.
I wasn’t aware it was that bad.
One good book about life as a POW is “I’m No Hero” by Charles Plumb, a USN Pilot who was shot down and endured life in the “Hanoi Hilton”.
What’s the divorce rate for phony POW’s?