George Floyd protest turns deadly; Minneapolis mayor requests National Guard

| May 28, 2020

A protester vandalizes an O’Reilly’s near the Minneapolis Police third precinct, where demonstrators gathered after a white police officer was caught on a bystander’s video pressing his knee into the neck of African-American man George Floyd, who later died at a hospital, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S. May 27, 2020. REUTERS/Nicholas Pfosi

The mayor of Minneapolis asked the Minnesota National Guard to move in after protests in the city over the death of George Floyd in the custody of police escalated Wednesday night, with a fatal shooting near the site of the riots.

Fires Rage Across Minneapolis Overnight in George Floyd Protests

By: JOSHUA CAPLAN

Multiple buildings in Minneapolis burned through the night Wednesday as protesters turned to riots over the death of George Floyd, who died Monday after a police officer was seen on video putting his knee on his neck, according to reports.

Protesters set fire to businesses, including an Autozone and Cub Foods, while an apartment complex under construction was also reportedly damaged by flames.

In addition to several buildings being lit on fire, stores like Target store on Lake Street were ransacked by dozens of apparent looters who stole televisions and groceries, according to videos shared to social media by Fox 9 reporter Karen Scullin.

Other reported looters were seen at Dollar Tree, a liquor store, and a tobacco store, reported ABC 5.

The protests came as Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey called for the arrest of the police officer seen in a video kneeling on Floyd’s neck before his death.

The mayor urged Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman to file charges against the officer, whom the city identified as Derek Chauvin. In a video taken by a witness, Chauvin can be seen kneeling and putting his weight on the neck of George Floyd, who struggled and said he could not breathe.

Police called an ambulance for Floyd after he became unconscious. He later died at the hospital.
The Minneapolis Police Department fired Chauvin and three other officers involved in the arrest — J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane, and Tou Thao.

I am not a LEO, and all we are seeing is a snippet of video. That being said, the optics are very bad and I can’t blame people for being upset. I can blame them for rioting and burning. Again. The entire article with videos may be viewed here: Breitbart

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5th/77th FA

“We must honor the memory of our brother by stealing a flat screen tv to watch the video and some new nikes…’cause he would want us to have them…”

I would guess that no work boots or work gloves were looted?

Fyrfighter

My thoughts exactly KOB! (don’t forget the alcohol to help drown the pain)

Friend

Assholes in L.A. doing the same thing…
#1 Hoodrat: Dude was killed in Minneapolis by a cop
#2 We deserve a new XBox and fuck the police
Hoodrat mentality at it’s best..

Green Thumb

“Other reported looters were seen at Dollar Tree, a liquor store, and a tobacco store.”

Yeah.

Hack Stone

Aim high. Some sweet swag is available at those dollar stores, such as knockoff copies of American made food that they wouldn’t sell in Venezuela.

Can’t wait for them to start bitching when companies run the numbers and decide it is not worth the effort to rebuild, and now the residents have nowhere to buy essentials.

Skippy

I just don’t understand the liquor store
Didn’t Minnesota follow the DNC
Guidelines and keep it open so everybody could say liquored up ???

Mason

I’m just glad so many of these peaceful protestors are wearing their COVID masks. We want to keep that curve flat!

Roh-Dog

Before all the facts are in let’s burn down the city, including police’s cars an’ smashed the town hall’s windahs. — The Thug Scrum
I’m going out on a limb here and presume many in those crowds don’t pay property tax.
One looter got dealt with by an owner of a pawn shop. The Roof Korean was strong in that one.

Jay

Roof Korean? I like it…

MustangCryppie
Jay

Fell down the rabbit hole at lunch reading this. Thanks for the share!

Ex-PH2

I got to watch that on TV, don’t remember which network. Whoever was doing the reporting said that those people knew the cops were NOT going to come and help them, so they took matters into their own hands.

MSG Eric

When seconds matter, the police are minutes away.

During a riot, the police will most likely be protecting main locations, like the police station, not your small business.

ArmyATC

I remember it well. The police pulled back to prevent the looters from spreading beyond their own neighborhoods. Roof Koreans weren’t going to let a bunch of thugs destroy their businesses.

Green Thumb

Good read.

SFC D

Nothing speeds up the justice process quite like looting and rioting.

I’m willing to bet Target won’t be reopening that store.

Roh-Dog

Re Target, I’d f’ing hope so. Ain’t no tax break worth that kinda mistreatment.

Devtun

Coincidentally, MLPS is where Target headquarters is located.

just lurkin

The previous Governor (Dayton) is the grandson of one of the founders of Target. I believe he has a large interest in the corporation. It could be that the rioters were unaware that Minnesota has a new Governor (Walz).

Mason

When Dayton’s sold to Marshal Field’s they changed all the Dayton’s store names. Local conservative radio host had the absolute best line for Governor (then-Senator) Mark Dayton. He asked him if he was going to have to change his name to Mark Marshal Fields.

just lurkin

LOL!

Skippy

The amount of time he had his knee on his neck on a main artery while in cuffs
(6–8 mins) is appalling that technique should only be used to subdue a suspect
And put him or her in the car the police fucked up
The second video shows he is not resisting
The police WTF is wrong with there training
There ????

Ex-PH2

What training?

MSG Eric

All I see is a tiny cop being afraid of someone bigger than him and feeling like he has to physically abuse that guy, even in cuffs, so that big guy doesn’t turn around and bitch slap him.

It is a shame, more so, that the 3 other officers there didn’t say, “dude, calm the fuck down and get off his neck.”

OldSoldier54

Word.

RetiredDevilDoc8404

Anything work related is safe, unless it can be resold for a profit. We stick it to whitey by burning stuff down and stealing stuff then we complain about them stereotyping us as burning stuff down and stealing when we get pissed off. Here’s a thought – try something different, get the whole f-ing story before you start screaming injustice; if it turns out that the cops were completely in the wrong you might actually get more support, because acting like criminals is going to alienate people. Morons.

MSG Eric

But if they stop and wait for the whole story, all the good stuff might be stolen already!

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

Same old same old thing by burning and looting stores where you live. Hopefully these businesses will move to a more non savage neighborhood and screw the peeps whom were responsible for the damage. I guess the store owners weren’t on the roof with shotguns to protect their businesses like were done in some past riots/looting. Was the “WHOLE” video without editing by the lame stream media shown or what they wanted to show to start the rioting. Haven’t these cops heard of the Fergeson effect where you don’t get involved in car stops, take it nice and slow on gun runs, only issue expired parking meter tickets and don’t repeat the same scenario as what happened in Staten Island, NY a couple of years ago using these choke holds. Guy was hand cuffed face down on the pavement so WTF is the reason for the choking. Any of you active and retired LEO’S add to this. This was the third “Gentle giant” as their families called them starting with Fergeson.

David

You mean the Ferguson case where the dead perp was trying to beat the snot out of the cop and take his gun? Jeez, Jeff, I expected better from you. That is probably one of the MOST justified cop shootings in recent years. Gentle Giant my rosy red Irish ass.

SFC D

That “gentle giant” in Fergeson was doing his damndest to make that cop’s wife a widow. He was charging that cop, head down and full speed when the fatal bullet entered the TOP of his cranium. That’s more “charging grizzly” than “gentle giant”.

OldSoldier54

Yep. These two situations are not even close to the same.

Ferguson was completely justified. Not this, IMO.

Mason

This is gonna get worse before it gets better. Glad I moved further away from the city. Even more glad I’m out of that game now.

26Limabeans

Hold my color TV…

I remember the “race riots” of the sixties and the
looting and burning that ensued. These modern day
wanna be’s need to review those tapes and see how
real lootin is done.

Back then the NG had live ammo and bayonets.
Hell, the Laconia bike riots were put down at the
point of a bayonet. If the NG does go in it will
be to direct traffic wearing safety vests and armed
to the teeth with hand sanitizer.

26Limabeans

Here are some cool photos from Laconia:
Scroll down.

http://www.weirsbeach.com/Largejpgs/weirsriot.html

Poetrooper

A rioting biker in Madras Bermuda shorts?

🤣

Skippy

You hit that one on the head

Ex-PH2

How about the riots in Los Angeles when Rodney King was beaten up by – what, 8 cops? – and the Korean shop owners knew that no cops would be coming to help them out?

Fyrfighter

At least with Rodney King, he was high on meth or acid, and actively fighting the cops, even through multiple tazer deployments (old ones, newer ones are much more effective).
That being said, anger etc over this situation, especially if it’s as bad as it looks is understandable, but as others have mentioned the immediate default to burning and looting just shows that such areas are too feral to have businesses put themselves at risk by operating in them.

Combat Historian

Commiesota “Attorney General” Mozzie Ellison will probably be leading the rampaging mob, with Somazi Poster Girl Ilhan Omar demanding all looters be awarded federal reparations for life…

FuzeVT

Protest vs rioting. Seems like rioting is just an excuse to destroy and loot and doesn’t lend credence to your cause. Of course since the folks involved are – let’s call it – not-white, the media will likely make excuses. Protest worthy? Absolutely. In fact the Constitution which lefty pundits love to trash enshrines peaceable assembly as a God given right on which the government shall not infringe. Rioting fails in the “peaceable” part of that.

Are there any Karens out there to watch the video and complain if they were rioting without masks?

E4 Mafia '83-'87

A tragedy hits a family, a community, and a city which means only one thing…free stuff!!!!

From footage of riots in the 60’s through last night, I see no matter the cause of the unrest it means steal whatever ain’t nailed down.

How can you expect sympathy, compassion, and support from other groups of people to help you in your cause when you guys are flashing gang signs and running down the street with stolen a TV’s in hand?

Oh sure, there are legit protestors…but they are outnumbered by the looters. Can anybody correlate the need to loot & steal with issues? Anyone? Anyone? Is this mic on?

It’s just more destruction that will lead to another area of another city will not recover…again. I am sure police policies will “change”, and the crime is this area will become unbearable just like Baltimore…Detroit…Chicago…Newark…Los Angeles…ect, ect, ect.

SFC D

The legit protesters were smart enough to stay the fuck away.

Poetrooper

Looters operate by that old Democrat guideline:

Never let a crisis go to waste…

Skippy

I’ve got my plane tickets
I need a few TVs and some other
Misc Stuff anybody down with a target
Free for all ????

Ex-PH2

Could you pick up a Kitchen Aid stand mixer for me while you’re there? I’m expanding my kitchen tools inventory.

5th/77th FA

Hey I want in on that Stand Mixer…The big 8 quart 8990 series. Yeah I know it only comes in white, but it would be a privilege to have it. Bigger is better, right? And while you’re grabbing, get me that air fryer, pressure pot cooker that gitcarver was talking about the other day. Some soft blankets, scented candles, and maybe a set or two of those high thread count sheets with comforter and pillow cases.

Ex-PH2

Gas up the truck, 5th/77th. I need a bunch of kitchen towels, a kitchen cart for my countertop oven (takes up too much counter space) and some extra shelving in the pantry/ utility/ laundry/ all purpose room.

5th/77th FA

Word, Ex will do! I was gonna hook up the trailer too, but I figure we can either loot us a 28 foot straight truck from the Hertz lot (they bankrupt anyhow) or just take the Tarjay tractor trailer rig that’s parked in the back of the lot. I got a Class A CDL and with what all everybody is gonna be wanting, we’ll need the room. I quick Giggles Foo showed that they had a real nice selection of Lodge Cast Iron Cookware, including the big Dutch Oven you’ve had your eye on. Might have to look again at what all they carry. I haven’t been in a Tarjay since well before they took the signs off of the rest rooms.

Ex-PH2

RE: Target rest rooms: that’s the reason I go to Ace Hardware or Menards, or just order directly from the makers online. Kitchen Aid will sell their products to you directly now, so guess where some $$$ is being oriented…. 🙂

26Limabeans

I need a Farberware 2-4 cup percolator.
Last one I got from Bed Bath and Beyond but I
don’t see them there anymore. If you have room..

Ex-PH2

I checked that. Most of the BBBY stores are out of stock right now.

Not only that, Farberware’s website shows only stovetop percolators right now. You can order directly, but that means you’ll be willing to perc the coffee on the stovetop.

I had no idea that things have gone so sour! What happens if we have a real, and very serious, economic recession?

Ex-PH2

It seems that Blaines has everything – and I mean everything – you need. They have an electric percolator that will make 2 to 12 cups of coffee. Farberware, but it might be a good substitute.

https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/045551-presto-stainless-steel-coffee-maker.html

26Limabeans

Too big. I fill the Faberware to the 2 cup level
and use 4 heaping spoonfulls of Maxwell House
French Roast. I tried AW1Ed’s pinch of salt trick
but it didn’t do anything noticeable. Must be Navy thing.

I do have a spare NIB but always looking for another.
They last about five years under daily use.
I should buy a stove top one for the Zombie Apocalypse.

Ex-PH2

Did my best! And yes, I’d get at least one stovetop percolator for the Zombie Apocalypse. You never know what will show up at the entrance to your driveway, looking lost and soaked in the rain.

Now that summer’s here, I will order a new Whirlypop corn popper and the other things they carry. Always nice to find a package on the front steps. We have no porch pirates around here just yet.

Fyrfighter

Coleman even makes a drip coffee maker that goes on a camp stove

SFC D

They also make one that connects straight to a propane canister. Makes awesome coffee.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Portable-Instastart-Coffee-carafe/dp/B007T126FK

SFC D

These are pretty sweet. Discontinued, I use the hell out of mine camping.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RZ72CM/?tag=bestmicrove0d-20

Ex-PH2

Yes, and LLBean used to carry a line of all-frequency radios that let you pick up everything from weather reports to shortwave broadcasts.

Haven’t seen that in their store for a while. Probably didn’t get enough orders from hipsters to keep the offer going.

Roh-Dog

A set of queen size sheets, please! Target has some good ‘uns, spendy tho.
Deodorant?

5th/77th FA
Sapper3307

This why we need Roof Koreans ™ in every state?

Jay

Trademark? 😂

Commissar

Yeah, Roof Koreans are exactly what I thought of when I woke up to the image of burning businesses.

Commissar

I think protests are essential for a functional democracy.

I think violent protests are occasionally necessary and in extreme cases a civic duty. Part of the reason our government has become so damn corrupt and unaccountable is because they no longer fear the people.

However, opportunistic vandalism and looting is always bullshit. And they are always carried out by people that don’t actually give a damn about the issue.

The people looting and vandalizing businesses and property that have nothing to do with the killing of George Floyd are scumbags.

They discredit the voice of the public. They marginalize dissent by causing it to appear criminal and irrational.

They empower and justify authoritarian policies, leaders, and institutions.

26Limabeans

“I think violent protests are occasionally necessary and in extreme cases a civic duty”

So you admit that the second amendment is not
all about hunting and sporting clays. Cool.

Commissar

Yep.

In fact I think the second amendment ONLY exists to preserve the people’s right to resist an unaccountable, overreaching, or unjust government.

Sport and hunting have nothing to do with why the second amendment was adopted.

Green Thumb

Then do not get upset when the violence becomes a two-way street.

At that point one cannot whine, cry and play the victim. They need to own it.

Commissar

What are you talking about?

Is this just a projection of your fantasy to kill leftists?

I am talking about the potential for government vs citizen and citizen vs government violence.

That is what the second amendment is directed toward.

You seem to be talking about something else entirely.

Green Thumb

Not really.

I would ask you to think outside of the box on this one, but I cannot as the issue is in the box. Common sense, really.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Also, not sure what the fantasy comment is about. Oddly enough, I am levelheaded and actually lean left. More so than many on here.

Not an insult, just a fact.

Commissar

Ok, I apologize for the false attribution.

I understand violence provokes violence.

Our social contract was premised on the fear of violence.

The government has lost its fear of the people.

Which is why the social contract is crumbling.

Mason

And yet you are always in support of bigger, more powerful federal government?

Commissar

Nope. Not true at all.

And Trump has increased government power and spending.
As well as worked tirelessly to expand the power of the executive branch.

So…is that what you support?

Commissar Pooper's Narcissism

What I provide to everybody here is knowledge and wisdom. I provide that to all of you free of charge, without the asking. You can find common sense in my comments.

Everybody on this site should thank me for my comments. I shit you not. Unless I shifart.

26Limabeans

You should set up a free advice booth at the Mall.
I’m sure you have seen the “change my mind” tables.
There was a guy set up in front of the post office
the other day with two tables. He was gathering
signatures to repeal rank choice voting. You bet I did.
What attracted me though was the free Trump/Pence
lawn sign. He wanted to talk shit with me but all I
wanted was that sign. The ranked choice thing was extra.

So set up a table. For free. Not like that psycho
bitch that charges five cents.

Commissar

Nice compromise on the screen name.

You get the point across without excess assholism.

just lurkin

Part of the reason our government has become so damn corrupt and unaccountable is because they no longer fear the people Progressives continue to empower the state because they believe that unelected and unaccountable “top men” bureaucrats who all went to “the best schools” should have more power and authority over how the average American should go about their lives.

Commissar

Corruption is utterly pervasive in both parties. As is abuse of power and lack of accountability.

So knock of the “it is not us it them” bullshit.

You empower the corrupt shitbags when you ignore their behavior because you think only the other side is corrupt.

Stop being loyal to your fucking party and start being loyal to the country.

I assume, at one time, you saw yourself as an American first, and Republican second.

just lurkin

Hilarious-I notice that the social institution that is supposed to expose government corruption-the media-seems to take great joy in exposing Republican malfeasance, but not so much misbehavior by their political allies.

And don’t try to deny it Lars, everyone knows the media is left-leaning any number of studies have shown this. So, it’s fine when they point out Republican corruption-I mean good riddance to bad rubbish-but I wish they’d show a little more enthusiasm about, oh for instance, highlighting how Cuomo is responsible for so many Covid-19 deaths due to his nursing home policies instead of screeching about how DeSantis was going to kill grandma when he reopened Florida.

And if you guys would stop pushing for greater and greater expansion of the state maybe we could start to get some of this corruption under control-which was the point of what I was saying. Giving more and more power to a federal bureaucracy (overwhelmingly Democrat BTW as anyone who looks at how the counties in the greater D.C. area vote can see) is no way to fight corruption you complete and utter tool.

Commissar

The mainstream media broadly supports the establishment and oligarch interests.

The apparent divisions are merely ways to leverage public support of competing oligarch interests and power structures.

But oligarchs have one things in common; they want to fundamentally preserve the status quo.

All other considerations are in the margins, the apparent winners and losers are determined within the context of a system that advantages their interests over all others. They are fighting over how much they get for themselves and their allies, and their benefactors. With no genuine regard for the interests of the public.

It is essentially the same as quarrels and power struggles with the courts of the aristocracy throughout the centuries.

Their interests over all others.

The stakes might have been high for the factions within the aristocracy, but regardless of the outcomes they always made sure the aristocracy was preserved; that the aristocracy won.

We live in an era of finance feudalism.

You are being conned if you believe otherwise.

just lurkin

Lars-your state Democrat party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Getty and Pritzker families and yet you never fail to come on here and flak for the Dems.

Nothing you said above is an argument for expanding the state-nothing. And yet for every problem the Democrats that you inevitably defend propose a greater and greater expansion of state power.

Now I admit that the Republican party has been a fairly useless opponent of our semi-feudal overlords (who are only too happy to see the government use its awesome power against those they perceive as a threat), but the libertarian faction within our political system exists almost exclusively as a part of the Republican party and that’s where the only hope lies.

You can’t fight either oligarchy or corruption by expanding the state Lars. The powers that be have always found it only too easy to co-opt the top men bureaucrats that your progressive politics continually empowers. It’s a shame that you refuse to see that.

Commissar

Really? Exactly which dems do I flak for?

Besides the insurgent progressives trying to challenge democrat incumbents.

Which ones?

Just Lurkin

Lars just off the top of my head I’ve seen you talk up “heels” Harris herself (back when she was a candidate for President). A woman who, let’s just say, used her connection with a well known California insider to move up in politics and who then used her position as first a DA and then the California AG to pursue criminal justice policies that she now pretends to oppose. She’s the perfect example of how Bay Area progs use their connections to those same families I mentioned before to dominate Golden State politics because Willie owes a great deal of his political success to those same groups. Also everyone here has seen you run interference for Obama when the issue of how he used the power of the state against his political opponents comes up which we have all seen you try to deny and/or downplay.

Oh, and “insurgent progressives” are still statists Lars because that’s part and parcel of your worldview. You all just think that you’re too smart and virtuous to fall victim to the same “Michel’s Iron Law of Oligarchy” problem that’ every other statist inevitably fails to overcome. Your problem is that you believe your own bullshit, but you can’t square that circle and you’ll keep trying to use the state to fix every conceivable problem because otherwise you aren’t noble or special and you can’t face the possibility that that might be so.

Commissar

I talked about her as being a strong against Trump.

Not a candidate I supported.

I thought she was too connected to finance, had done a shady deal with Mnuchin’s firm, and that he ambition was more important to her than doing the right thing when it matters most.

I did not support her, nor was she in my top 5.

But I did think she would have shredded Trump on stage.

I also, mistakenly, believed the establishment would rally behind her and the establishment dem voters would flock to her when they realized what a mess Biden was.

I was wrong about that.

But thinking establishment dems would support her is not the same as supporting her.

Quite the opposite.

I consider establishment dems to essentially be traitors to the American worker and the middle class.

Just Lurkin

Ok Lars-why don’t you tell us what promising “insurgent progressive” candidate you would support for Senate in California over “heels”? Or maybe answer this question: suppose a Libertarian candidate was running against Harris for Senate talking about policies which would devolve power away from the Federal government back to either the state or the people, who would you support? We all know you’d talk up Harris in such a race, as corrupt as you admit she is. You aren’t honest Lars, not least with yourself, but the rest of us don’t have to buy your bullshit and we don’t mind telling you how full of it you are.

Just Lurkin

And one more thing-Obama himself was once seen as an “insurgent progressive” but how did that work out? Same old corrupt statist bullshit, but you’ll certainly deny it. You can’t help yourself, true believers have to true believe. Everybody here has got you pegged Lars, if you can’t see it we all can.

Commissar

I don’t think we understand the word “statist” the same way.

I consider Trump do be one of the most aggressive statist presidents in modern history.

Progressives are decidedly not statists.

Believe there is a justifiable role for government and wanting government to actually perform that role is not “statism”.

Statism is about centralizing control and power. Something progressives do not advocate.

But Trump absolutely does.

UpNorth

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. Lars. Dem profs are all about peer, the centralized power of the state, controlled by progs.

11B-Mailclerk

Progressives are statists on steroids. -everything- to them, requires more State power and centralized control.

Your denial of that is silly.

Just Lurkin

The proof is in the pudding Lars. Republican led states have reopened and allowed people to go on about their business to a much greater extent than states led by Democrats, and much more quickly. Delude yourself however you like, but the rest of us can see with our own two eyes which party loves it some control over people’s lives.

Twist

“Stop being loyal to your fucking party and start being loyal to the country.”

That’s pretty freaking ironic coming from you of all people. You have a habit of ignoring or excusing wrongdoings in your own party and constantly try to shift blame to the other side.

I assume, at one time, you saw yourself as an American first, and Democrat second.

Commissar

You are so damn full of shit.

I hate the Democratic Party and a significant percentage of the politicians in it.

I have zero loyalty to the Democratic Party. None whatsoever.

I hoped the party would have collapsed into ashes in 2016. I desperately want the DNC to die.

You are literally just making shit up to defend your partisan bullshit.

Commie-Tsar

I’m a yellow-bellied pinko-commie till the day I die!!!

The Other Whitey

You say one thing, Lars, then consistently do the opposite. Hence your complete lack of credibility. Plus, you’re an asshole.

Commissar

Exactly when have I “done”:something different?

OldSoldier54

I hate to state, but I can find nothing to disagree with wrt this comment.

This is the money quote, IMO: “They marginalize dissent by causing it to appear criminal and irrational.”

That is the greatest and most lasting harm done to the Republic, IMO.

Commissar

As for this cop.

He should have been arrested the day it happened.

The fact that George Floyd no longer had a pulse by the time he was lifted into the ambulance, the fact that the officer used such reckless and potentially deadly force, and the fact that the office had no justification for that force or maintaining it is more than enough probable cause for an arrest.

Even if it was not the cause of death; It was still a criminal act for him to kneel on restrained person’s neck, much less for 8 minutes. Including for minutes after he had ceased fell unconscious and ceased moving or breathing.

Green Thumb

Have they autopsied him yet?

Commissar

Does not matter.

There is more than enough probable cause for an arrest.

Green Thumb

He could have been in cardiac arrest. Or a number of things. Or not. Who knows?

False arrest could create some massive waves…

Commissar

It would not be a false arrest.

All you need is probable cause.

The guy was unconscious and did not have a pulse when EMS arrived.

There is video of him with his knee on the handcuffed suspect’s neck.

That is more than enough probable cause for an arrest.

Commissar

Think about it this way.

If you were in a scuffle with someone…

And after subduing him with his hands tied behind his back you decided to lean on his knock for 8 minutes with your knee…

And when EMS and police arrived he was without a pulse and respirations..

The police would arrest you on the spot. Even if you were legally in your rights to initially restrain the person.

You acted negligently and you continued to use deadly force for several minutes after the person was no longer a threat to you.

The laws apply to the police just as they do the citizens.

There is no loophole that allows police to extrajudicially kill someone that is not an immediate threat to life or limb of themselves or others.

People seem to think the police have a right to kill people for resisting arrest.

That is flat false.

They are required by law to use only what would reasonably considered the minimum force necessary to arrest the suspect and protect the public.

There is literally no circumstance where putting your knee and much of your body weight on the neck of a handcuffed and prone suspect is reasonable force.

Literally an indefensible act. Criminal.

Green Thumb

Maybe.

But there is a lot of the situation that(and I can only imagine) has not been brought to the front…yet.

11B-Mailclerk

The state does not treat “ordinary citizens” and “police officers” the same. Certainly not in the 50 of the USA.

Legally speaking, one cannot say “if you did thus” when reviewing police actions. Not even apples to oranges close.

Commissar

And to reiterate; putting his knee on the neck of a handcuffed and prone suspect is a criminally negligent use of force in of itself.

Even if it didn’t kill him.

Green Thumb

Saw it happen numerous times in the box when PUC’ing a combatant, hostile non-combatant and HVT’s.

Point being, the situation dictates the behaviour.

Now, if this is not the case in this situation, hammer him.

Commissar

I tacked a militant shitbag and was having a hard time getting him under control because I was fully kitted up and was not that agile on the ground.

My team sergeant stepped on his neck. End the struggle. Allowing us to detain him and zip tie him.

Once he was detained and zip tied my team sergeant no longer needed to keep his foot on his neck, So he didn’t,

I also think it is important that we use a different standard for use of force against enemy combatants and US citizens except in cases of threats to life and limb.

Green Thumb

Do not disagree.

Different environment, though. As I put forth.

Did the enemy have observation? Numbers? Movement? Freedom of fire?

Did you and your team/squad, etc. have the same? To include security? (I do not know your service – my apology).

All things to consider in ANY kinetic environment.

Twist

I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with Lars on this one. While I am neither a LEO or a “lawer”, in my opinion there was enough probable cause for an arrest. I do see your point though.

UpNorth

You don’t even know if the M.E./Coroner has ruled if it was a homicide. You must have been one hell of an investigator back in your L.E. days.

The Other Whitey

Pre-insanity Mel Gibson vs post-stupidity Commissar:

https://youtu.be/yjnJcRhQpn0

The Other Whitey

Yeah, you’re so outraged that you’re gonna destroy the property of people who had zero to do with the incident, and steal their shit as well. How noble.

Business owners should be encouraged to shoot on sight at times like this.

Green Thumb

Store owners are fighting back…

Allow me, GT.
AW1
Shooting death near protest amid night of Mpls. violence

By Liz Navratil and Libor Jany
Minneapolis shuddered with violence overnight Wednesday, as rioters ignited fires and looted stores all over the city, standing in stark contrast to the mostly peaceful protests outside of a South Side police station over the police killing of George Floyd.

Early Thursday, city and law enforcement officials were still tallying the full toll of the night, which saw at least five people struck by gunfire, one fatally when the owner of a pawn shop opened fire on a man he believed was burglarizing his business. Dozens of businesses were either looted or torched, or both, mostly in the area of Minnehaha Avenue and E. Lake Street, but also along business corridors on the city’s North and South sides.

Read the rest here: MSM Link
Thanks.

timactual

“Roof Koreans”

I like that, although I do wonder what the Koreans think of it. Back in the bad old days they would have been called the militia; just a local group of males of military age gathered to defend their lives and property. Nowadays, of course, the word “militia” has been corrupted by a small number of oddballs; much like the word “protesters”.

Commissar

Most Korean I know seem to think it is funny.

“Roof Korea is the best Korea” is also thrown around as a satiric play on North Korean internet propaganda.

So to some Koreans it is funny on several angles.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/roof-koreans

OldSoldier54

Won’t be surprised to learn later that Floyd was making a fuss and resisting being taken into custody.

THAT NEVER WORKS OUT WELL!!
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That being said, then enters the “I/we are going to teach him a lesson” mindset. I’ve seen it many times. This Chauvin guy apparently has a rep for getting physical. This time he want too far.

5th/77th FA

OS54, when this FIRST started breaking, before the riots, there were some blurbs on the inherwebz about the initial calls, the man being, “high on something” and resisting arrest. That in no way condones what the officer did in holding the man down like that for so long. Those reports disappeared or are so deeply buried in the webz I can’t find them.

Commissar

My impression is that Chauvin was responding to the crowd,

He felt his authority was being questioned and was “proving” he had the authority to keep his knee on the subject entirely because the crowd was challenging his right to do so.

It is almost as if he felt that lifting his knee off Floyd proved the crowd was right.

So he didn’t,

MCPO USN

Lars,

This may be a first but I agree with you.

I am a military security instructor, assessor, and was a combative instructor. I have never trained or saw anyone train to put your knee on someone’s neck. This is the practice of someone who does not have good training nor a basic knowledge of anatomy.

I will say this. The officer was totally wrong and should be charged. However, what causes these things to happen is non-compliance of the person being apprehended. It is never going to end well being beligerent to people in authority. It cannot be overstated that just following the task commands and complying will go a long way in staying alive and pain-free but also in the courtroom, where the officer can tell the judge and DA that you cooperated fully. This is huge. Non-compliance results in an ass-beating, as there will always be more of them than there are of you.

Lastly, verbal judo skills are a lost art but are priceless.

Sapper3307

Well at least the new T.Vs weigh a lot less than an old CRT set. No sense hurting yourself dragging one or ten home.

11B-Mailclerk

Note in the picture:

White guy wearing black, smashing property.

Nobody caught that?

HMCS(FMF) ret

Antifa gotta have a reason to be out… and they have it.

I guess the social distancing Karen’s have more important shit to do…

MSG Eric

Just as many white people looting as black people if you watch the news feeds.

I’m guessing many of those people aren’t even from that area / neighborhood and have come in to join the protests KNOWING they would become riots and if not, turn them into riots. (Which is what happened.)

26Limabeans

Where is Lou Grant on all of this?

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1504444697?ref_=vp_rv_0