The Sandy Hook “hoax”
I found this article at Salon about a guy, Gene Rosen, who is being hounded by the Sandy Hook “truthers” who think that the shooting in Connecticut didn’t really happen;
“I don’t know what to do,” sighed Gene Rosen. “I’m getting hang-up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘how much am I being paid?’” Someone posted a photo of his house online. There have been phony Google+ and YouTube accounts created in his name, messages on white supremacist message boards ridiculing the “emotional Jewish guy,” and dozens of blog posts and videos “exposing” him as a fraud. One email purporting to be a business inquiry taunted: “How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?”
I guess they’ve never heard of Occam’s Razor. But it made me think what the full-time cranks at Veterans Today were thinking, and sure enough, they think it’s a government hoax, too. But, for some reason, they dont blame Mossad for the operation, it’s the FBI who did the deed;
What we have at the beginning of the massacre are two vehicles arriving at the Elementary School, one belonging to Nancy Lanza, and the second vehicle supposedly registered to Christopher Rodia, a non-existent person.
Now I doubt if Adam Lanza was in a condition to actually drive to his own murder. I would suggest that somebody else drove his car to Sandy Hook. I would also suggest that this person was FBI and from the ‘Counter-Terrorist section. I would suggest that there were also other FBI agents [traveling] in “Rodia’s” vehicle.
How do we know that the Sandy Hook Massacre was an FBI operation? There is a choice of two possibilities. Either Sandy Hook was another ‘Lone-nut’ gun massacre committed by Adam Lanza or it was an FBI operation.
Once you comprehend that Adam Lanza was shot after police arrived at the Sandy Hook Elementary school, and yet the main murder weapon, the ‘.223 Bushmaster’, the No. 6 on the gun ban list, was initially found in the trunk of Nancy Lanza’s Honda sedan, then it is impossible for Adam Lanza to have been the gunman.
All leads to the identity of these two FBI agents would vanish, and in time people would be conditioned to simply remember the ‘Lone-nut’ gunman who was ‘suicided’ at the scene of the Sandy Hook Massacre.
Well, that last part all falls apart when we can look at CNN’s video and understand that it was a shotgun in the trunk of the car and not an AR-type weapon. But I’m not going to bother to explain that to them.
Category: General Whackos
And now for something completely different:
Why do anti-gun groups and the POTUS, and others like Michael Moore only celebrate the death of white children, especially little girls?
Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?
Now that’s a conspiracy!
@51 “Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?”
Benign neglect?
@50: So, your view is that the government is so super competent to arrange a black ops false flag operation involving the murder of a bunch of kids, complete with media and police involvement, and utter secrecy that nobody talks about it… but they’re so incompetent to fake some photos of the chaos or create fake interviews with survivors?
My head hurts.
@46: Yes, it’s possible to change the link and name associated with a page, and it keeps its prior creation date.
I could create a Facebook page today called “Useless Placeholder”, then after some tragedy, rename it to something about that tragedy and the date would reflect today’s date.. even though the tragedy hasn’t happened yet! This isn’t a conspiracy; it’s people not understanding how things work.
Similarly, you could take a look at the files on your computer – find one which you’ve created a long time ago. Now open it up, add a line or two (a text document makes this easiest), then save it again. Now, look at the ‘properties’ for that file. It’ll still have the original creation date. The modification date will be newer, yes, but that creation date is old. I could open up a file I created in 2006, put in all the Golden Globe winners, save it, and say this file was created in 2006 and predicted movies that weren’t even being made yet – I’d not only predicted their successes, but the actors in them! Except, well, I didn’t. I just used a file that was created a while ago for a different purpose.
Criminals dont follow the law, seems everyone forgets that.
@51 “Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?”
Because da prez isn’t living in Chicago these days.
Because it’s only of local interest.
Because it usually involved black or Latino kids.
Because da prez isn’t living in Chicago and probably never will ever again.
@50 I just want to know why nobody is talking about the details and why there are no photos. It just don’t add up. I don’t have the answers. I just know it looks fake. It looks staged. I am not saying that it is a fact that it is not real but I sure as hell am not 100% convinced that this is not a hoax.
@57: What photos do you want? Have you ever suddenly been in a situation where your live is on the line? I have, and my initial thought wasn’t to pull out my phone and start snapping pictures. And while at my age now, I’d probably try to assess the threat and do what I can, I didn’t have that sort of presence of mind when I was a kid. And if I was an adult responsible for a bunch of kids -a teacher there, in other words- my first thought would be protecting them, not documenting things with a cell phone camera for the unbelievable case of random people on the internet not believing the experience I was living in.
It may look fake to you. For all too many people, it was sadly very, very real. I’m in Connecticut, in fact, and while I don’t know any of the families involved, a friend of mine does. So, you may take that as either I’m clearly now in on the conspiracy, or that my friend -whose family knew the other one for over twenty years- is part of the conspiracy, or that the conspiracy has been planned for twenty years because, dammit, people are just that devious,… or the simple explanation: it was real. Unfortunately.
Maybe our new found friend Stephen here is one of those I ejected from the website….Got another one today too. Stupid people refuse to heed warnings then cry and get all butt hurt after, lmao!
These are the same people who say that 9/11 didn’t happen or it was done by the goverment with radio controled plains and st explosives.
Dear Stephen, You based you statement that it “looks fake” on the fact that there is nothing in public view to show. When the event occurred, the media was kept away from the scene for the most part. There were some aerial shots of people in the woods etc., but the majority of the media was kept at a distance. Any media there when law enforcement arrived were moved out of the area. The investigators took photographs for days during their investigation but those photos are usually not released until they are used at trial. In this case there may be an inquest or hearing but barring any unknown arrests of individuals at this point there is no one to try for the crime, he’s dead. That being said, the initial reports being broadcast were filled with unsubstantiated rumor and statements in the race to be first with the news. Every major network had reporters calling in information that in most cases proved to be wrong. CBC would release a statement that was erroneous and it would then be reported by the other networks as CBC is reporting the (fill in the blank). Not only was this irresponsible but provided fodder for every whackjob, blogger, conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones wannabe to fill in the gaps. The Hartford Courant has done an excellent job of reporting the facts as they were not under the gun to be first on the airwaves with a scoop. The shooter was not wearing body armor, he was wearing a utility vest. The weapon found in the car was a shotgun not the gun used to murder people. The car belonged to his mother not the notorious guy named Rodia. There were no other shooters that were mysteriously released and because we don’t have their names they are not FBI/CIA/Mossad or satanic baby kidnappers. You have every reason to distrust your government because they at this very moment are doing everything they can to capitalize on a tragedy as they did after 9/11, the Arizona shooting of Gabriel Giffords, Columbine, the Virginia Tech shooting etc.… Read more »
Stephen.
Tell that to my friend, who lost his godchild in this. Went to the funeral, spoke to his very best friend, who lost his daughter. And tell me its fake.
And yes, he knew Adam. His exact words “Unfortunately, he was troubled and I was afraid that something would happen with him.”
So. FRAK YOU. It’s real DEAL with it.
You can’t deny that the people claiming this was a hoax make a good case. Let’s also keep in mind that President Obama was already caught red-handed perpetrating a more generalized false flag operation (Fast and Furious) to circumvent the 2nd Amendment after he publicly tried to humiliate the Supreme Court’s ruling (BTW, the public humiliation obviously paid off when it came time for the SC to rule on Obamacare). Isn’t it awfully coincidental that Fast and Furious went into effect shortly after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the 2nd Amendment and how Obama, Holder, and Clinton all went to the airwaves to blame American guns for drug related deaths in Mexico. Furthermore, isn’t is even more coincidental that the movie theatre shooting would occur after Obama lost face with Fast and Furious and was in a heated battle with Romeny (where, BTW, he was behind in the polls at the time). Isn’t it even more suspect that each nationally hyped shooting was more heinous than the last? I guess that wasn’t enough, because he knew if he got totally reprehensible and killed children then the nation would be outraged and even his harshest critics would have to walk on glass. Was Sandy Hook a random murder, a hoax, or government planned false flag terrorism? I don’t know for sure which of these is the correct answer. I do know from past experience that the media will show what they want you to believe. Having lived in Bensonhurst during the Joey Fama (who, regardless of his motives, deserved to be put away for goo) shooting I saw for myself how the media distorted things in order to agree with their political agenda and never trusted them again. Al Sharpton lead a parade of black protestors down 20th avenue to show his outrage for what was possible a racist shooting. The people from the neighborhood were standing on the sidewalks behind the police barrier and observing. The protestors started antagonizing the observers some even pulled down their pants with children present and began urinating on the white observers on… Read more »
Regardless of your position on this, you can’t deny that the behavior of Robbie Parker (Emily’s father) was obviously not that of a grieving parent and I don’t think anyone in their right mind would say his statement was anything other than staged. Quite honestly, that’s enough proof for me that there’s more to this than we’re being told.
@63: “You can’t deny that the people claiming this was a hoax make a good case.”
Really? The people claiming this was a hoax don’t make a good case at all. There you go, denied. Same goes for the rest of this drivel.
Robbie Parker comes from a strong religious background that preaches the importance of forgiveness. I come from the same kind of religious background, and I greatly commend him for his strength of character. He and I share the same religious beliefs, though I’m not sure I would have had the strength that he does to be able to forgive Lanza and express sympathy for his family like Parker did. I see nothing strange or odd with his demeanor or his behavior, just unbelievable faith in God to take care of things in His own way.
That being said, I will not engage in a religious fight, nor any other fight over this matter. The Sandy Hook shooting was real, it happened, it was horrible, and the maniacal gun-grabbers are exploiting it for their political gain. That’s all there is to it. Enough of this drivel.
@ MikeA I invite you to spend 30 minutes doing a little research. Every point being made by the Ct’s out there can be debunked. You are making false analogies to support your position. Fast and Furious was not a “false flag”. It was a bone headed idea dependent upon being able to track weapons across the border in hopes that various initial agencies (ATF, FBI etc) could follow the weapons to their destination. The problems with the operation started with supervisors telling subordinates to stand down and let the weapons walk across the border in violation of law. Then the effect of unintended consequences took over. Fast and Furious came down to idiots is positions of authority that had no business being there. They were arrogant and thought they were above the law and had an AG and President that allowed them to be arrogant. Eric Holder’s position on gun control has been known for years. Obama’s latest conversion to gun grabber is 180 degrees from where he was when he was a Senator and was of the position of not wanting to punish school shooters harshly when confronted with the issue years ago. His aim now is to take the wind out of conservatives and conservative institutions like the NRA. It’s politics and nothing more. he is doing what he is doing because he can and thinks no one can stop him. Operations Northwoods was a CIA plan to deal with Cuba and if you’ll notice Kennedy said no. Even if it were carried out there is a huge difference between claiming a plane was full of college students that didn’t exist and gunning down 20 elementary school children. See those 20 children were real. Not made up. Dead. The shooting was real, the funerals were real and the attempts to capitalize on it by certain elements in our government are real. If you can take the time to go to such an unreliable source as wikipedia then I would suggest actually looking for the information that contradicts the conspiracy hacks. It’s out there and easily found. No… Read more »
http://www.infowars.com/the-u-s-governments-coming-war-with-the-american-people-insane-quantities-of-govt-ammo-purchases-point-to-only-one-purpose/
Nobody died and Nobody got hurt at Sandy Hook Newtowwn on the 14DEC2012. It was a HSEEP drill under DHS control. Everyday you continue to print Lies that children Died will count. YOu will answer to God for your Part in this HOAX. Count on that Achy Obejas
http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-buys-enough-ammo-for-a-7-year-war-against-the-american-people/
Geez. Teh krayzee is strong in many of our new commenters above.
Or maybe that should be teh dumbass.
Alright; I broke down and watched some of the Sandy Hook “hoax” videos, last night, to get a perspective of what these people are claiming, and I stand by my original statement. It wasn’t a hoax, but a clusterf**k of epic proportions. As others have stated, and to which I agree, the media are like locusts, they buzz in, create added confusion, and then buzz out in search of the next face time opportunity. The initial reports were all wrong, so were the reports that night and the next day. The State Police weren’t much help in clarifying the situation. The medical examiner definitely wasn’t, but ya know what? It was a difficult job and to have to do it on 20 adults would be bad enough, but to do it on 20 little kids has got to eat at your soul. Granted, now it has been a month and we can start to calm down a little and gather a little more clarity. Unfortunately, we aren’t getting that, only the drumbeat of gun control, which seems to be the only thing they are clear about. That’s where the opportunity for the conspiracy theorists to weave their tales comes in and boy has it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMtYWvvnQ4
A youtube video that does a decent job of shredding the conspiracy theories.
Early morning news has DEA arresting 3 suburban police officers for selling guns and drugs to undercover DEA guy posing as a drug ‘lord’. It was just the one-minute story, details not released so far. But it clearly shows that guns which are not legally obtained are in the hands of criminals and there isn’t a law anywhere that is going to put a stop to it. And they frequently come from corrupt police officers. All those F&F weapons are now dispersed and some of them are turning up on US soil. Conspiracy? No, just a bad idea cooked up by a bunch of idiots who think they’re clever when they aren’t. DHS frequently orders and buys mass quantities of ammunition. So do the FBI and the military. So what? If they don’t have ammo, what are they supposed to use? Harsh words? People who propose these conspiracies always forget one thing: these events happen, the news media gets most of it wrong from the getgo, everyone has an idea about ‘who done it’, the noise dies down and people go back to whatever they were doing until the next time some nutball decides to ‘get even’ with everyone he sees, and that includes everyone from the guy who stole a tank in SoCal a few years ago and went on a rampage to the entire demographic of mass murderers like Gacy and the people who ‘go postal’ on their coworkers. That it happens too frequently has more to do with opportunity than whether or not it is illegal. And even if guns were safely locked up or did not exist, there is always some other way to cause mayhem. Shall I bring up the Unibomber? Truck bombers Nichols and McVeigh? Or the anthrax guy? Or the Tylenol poisonings in Chicago? None of those involved the use of guns whatsoever, but the illegality of committing those crimes DID NOT MATTER to the people who committed them. Jack the Ripper was notorious for taunting the London metropolitan police about his heinous crimes. The media’s incompetent pretenses at journalism generate and encourage… Read more »
Anonymous asshats fetzering with infowar links…and people wonder why this country is circling the bowl….
@75 aint that the “truth”! The last one about the ammo… it is the whole 450 million rounds idiocy for DHS going around. What no one mentions is that it was from a 5 year contract with an ammo manufacturer, and it was an estimate by the manufacturer themselves of how much the potential was for them to sell to the government based on a 5 year contract and how much ammo they burn through.
Saw numbers on FLETC using around 8 million rounds just on 14 ranges they run at one facility in a year. That does not include the individual departments ranges and the ammo they burn through in training.
But someone throws out half the facts in a twisted manner, and all of a sudden we are facing death camps….
@76 — RB, don’tcha just love paranoid conspiracy theorists?
They also are quite sure tht aliens are going to land and take over the Earth…and make sandwiches out of us, in all likelihood.
Welcome to TAH nutjobs! Anyone of you with Westboro?
Ex-PH2: met someone who actually believed that once (though I’m not sure about the “make sandwiches” part). Seriously.
Was never so damn glad to get off a plane in my life.
Hondo, remember that Twilight Zone episode “To Serve Man”? It was about a cookbook. Eeeewwww!
Certainly do, lady. One of if not the best TZ episodes ever.
Sorta like: “Soylent Green is . . . .”
@74: F&F may have started as a bad idea, but then the Obama administration took it and ran with in an attempt to garner interest in more gun control. That’s where the conspiracy in that whole bowl of crap came from and I agree with those that say it is/was a conspiracy. Unfortunately, it will never see the light of day, just like Benghazi.
Dunno if I agree, Old Trooper. F&F strikes me more like Watergate – a monumentally dumb idea, the execution of which involved crimes, that was covered up for political reasons (e.g., to save the POTUS embarrassment).
The difference, of course, being that no one died as a result of Watergate.
@83. There is at least one other difference, Hondo. Who went to prison or, for that matter, has been prosecuted for Fast and Furious? This op had known strawmen purchasing weapons with the blessing of the Federal government. Change the actors from Feds to private citizens and you know the result. Certainly, one Dawn M. Nguyen, the gal who played strawman for the Webster, N.Y. killer, knows.
Dave j, You’re an offensive knee-jerk idiot.
Babies were killed.
The heroic teacher, Victoria Soto, went to college with my best friend, and he’s quite confident she was SHOT DEAD at Sandy Hook.
People; THINK before you jump in the conspiracy tank. Good lord.
2/17 Air Cav: in all fairness, it took over 2 1/2 years before anyone was convicted of anything re: Watergate, and it was 1976 before anyone went to jail.
But yeah – we had indictments by this point. And IMO we should have a few in F&F by now, too.
@ #85… I missed Dave J. and his utter insanity…. holy crap these bastards are just sick. Anyone actually watch DaveJ’s video? The guy is loopy, nuts, and damned if he is not just a little unhinged.
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would theorize that all these crazy conspiracy theories were themselves part of a conspiracy to make pro gun people look crazier than a shithouse rat. Which unfortunately seems to be happening.
@83: True. However, Obama, Holder, Napolitano, and Clinton went on the airwaves decrying that gun shops on the border were selling arms that were going across the border and were selling multiple “assault rifles” at one time to one person, etc. They then claimed that we needed tougher gun control to combat this, even though they knew full well they were the ones responsible for this happening through their F&F program, which no one, outside of those involved, knew about. They were using their own f-ed up program to try and instute gun control using a problem that they created. That’s a conspiracy.
Yup, Ima card carrying crazy LOL They threw me arse outa the last mental facility for trying to take over under the guise of Doctor Zim the psychiatrist.
Oh well, the meds are good what can I say?
@86 – Hondo. Indictments? Anything is possible. What goes around comes around. I do not see any ‘clean hands’ in a lot of the stuff that da prez’z administration has done, mostly…well, covering Big Frakkin’ Stupidity, and F&F is just the tip of the iceberg.
leave it to somebody like old trooper to believe a story like this.
@89
Not sure the term conspiracy fits the scenario. The ATF, PBI, DEA and IRS were all aware of the program. Early critics of the program blew the whistle. The only conspiracy connected to the program was when they tried to cover up what happened after Brian Terry and another agent wound up dead.
But then again should we be surprised with Eric Holder at the helm? The media seems to forget the fact that he was the one that pushed through the pardon of Marc Rich by Bill Clinton by claiming after the fact that he wasn’t aware that rich was on the FBI most wanted list. Holder advised Rich’s attorney to circumvent normal procedures and submit the pardon directly to Clinton. It seems circumventing normal procedures is something Holder excels in.
That should read FBI not PBI
In a way it being a hoax is terrbily but a relife dont you think. I know how mad you think i am but really think
At least no kids were acctaly killed. And the gun laws were needed because of all the other shooting that were real. Dont get me wrong what they made us belive is HORRIBLE but whats worse 20 kids that are really dead or just making us belive that but no kids acttaly getting hurt. Because as long as the kids are safe i am relvied.
Teh crazies are out this week. I didn’t believe that anyone really believed the chemtrail nonsense, either. Until yesterday, that is. A poster on another blog posited that, of course, the Twin Towers were brought down by carefully placed explosives planted by Bush and Darth Cheney, when I pointed out that he probably believed in chemtrails, too, he said that not only did he believe, but that they were spraying that very day.
And, #95 arrives to confirm everything.
Hey, the mentally deprived OG shows up, too.
UpNorth, when you try to get these chemtrailers to understand that what they see is the result of a siple physical reaction between hot air coming out of the exhaust port of a jet engine at 450 degrees into cold air at sub-zero temperatures, which instantly generates ice crystals, they don’t believe you.
For reference, find the video of the guy dumping a pot of boiling water off his balcony in -42 degree weather on YouTube. Instant ice crystals.
They also think that sundogs, which are reflections of sunlight on upper atmosphere ice crystals, are extra suns that were hidden by the HARP project. I’ve tried to get them to understand it’s just nature at work, but they’re quite sure it’s a massive conspiracy to poison us all. So then, how are they still walking around upright?
If only there were some way to put them into cotton padding and give them a quiet corner to themselves, that would be nice.
There used to be, Ex-PH2. It was called the “rubber room” at the state asylum. And when necessary, the cotton padding was called a “straitjacket”.
At least Skynet won’t be all subtle about it. Missiles will launch, cities will epxlode in thermal blossoms of glorious cleansing, people will turn to ash, and then the sound of metal against rubble will herald a death knell and strike fear into the meat bags that survive.
I for one will welcome our glorious robot overlords…
Quiet please. I am analyzing. Yes, relatively simple alcohol molecules with traces of fusel oil. Would 60 gallons be sufficient…
It’s a COOOOOOOKBOOOOOOOOOK!
It’s made from people!
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears… in rain. Time to die.
people missing from staff roster at sandy hook
http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net/Staff/StaffDirectory/tabid/17319/Default.aspx
check it out