Sailor won’t stand for anthem
I hate giving these little cretins the attention that they crave, but you guys are relentless in my inbox. From WEARTV;
The woman, who has not been identified, shared a live video on her Facebook page of her appearing to protest by sitting down during the National Anthem while on the base.
In the Facebook video, the woman shows viewers her sitting on a bench as the National Anthem is played reportedly on base. She then holds up her left fist in protest.
“The U.S. Military Police WTF Moments” Facebook page referred to the U.S. sailors actions as a “disrespect at flag call”. The video had been seen more than 44,000 times as of Thursday night.
Lt. Commander Kate Meadows said the Navy became aware of the video last week and disciplinary action is pending.
Her little protest begins at about 3:20;
From Military.com;
Lt. Cmdr. Kate Meadows, a spokeswoman for Naval Education and Training Command, said actions were ongoing regarding the sailor, but declined to specify what they were.
The sailor, who has not been publicly identified, is assigned to Naval Air Technical Training Center in Pensacola, Florida, Meadows confirmed, and is expected to be allowed to continue training.
ADDED: I don’t what she’s mumbling about the lyrics of the Star-Spangled Banner, unless she’s illiterate;
O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam, I
n full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
‘Tis the star-spangled banner –
O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Well dumbass you wanted to be noticed for your protest, and I suspect you’re going to receive a lot more attention than you anticipated.
What flies as a civilian is often legally problematic in the US Military.
But hey, you wanted to stand up and make a statement so I’m confident you were prepared for the repercussions.
Not “stand up’, but “sit down” and make a statement. . . .
Stupid twunt.
She needs to have her ass beat administratively as hard as possible.
Also she needs to have to clean an aircraft carrier from bow to stern with an old toothbrush.
Then she needs to be given a OTH discharge.
She must have forgotten the oath she took. Brig, then OTH.
Fucking bitch.
That bitch I’d definitely in the wrong profession.
Boot her sorry twat out.
That bitch IS definitely in the wrong profession.
What a Cee You Next Tuesday.
Get over yourself. Even she said the third stanza of the National Anthem that she hated was removed in 1965. So, let’s keep living in the past, moving backwards, etc.
Lordy this angers me to no end.
If your protest was so damn important to you why did’t you do it in the middle of a group of folks? Coward. Effing disgusting, disrespectful little coward
Not going to watch her cry for attention, but apparently she worries aloud during her protest that someone will confront her. Coward doesn’t even begin to describe her.
Bet she hasn’t given up her pay. Turd bucket.
I’m sure some CPO will make sure she does.
I wouldn’t bet on that, especially in this day and age. The PC virus had started infecting the CPO mess when I was in and it may have taken hold, especially at a training command.
The Navy needs to ensure that this results in a big, quick public splash so that the word gets out that behavior like this WILL NOT BE TOLERATED in the Military.
Shack!
Why would they do that? The Army let a bunch of their cadets get away with the whole BLM salute in a photo so why would the Navy punish this freaking moron?
Hey, who cares if they are being disrespectful, they are EXPRESSING themselves. Fucking gag.
But instead she will be given a promotion and invited to the White House.
Might even give her an ARCOM.
Yes, I know she’s Navy but hell, if rules don’t matter then let’s just go hog wild.
How about we up the ante to a Bronze Star for her “courageous protest”?
I see a Beer Summit in her future.
Then her rights as an American citizen need to be revoked….ship her to Canada or Mexico. These worthless piss ants do not understand what it actually means to be an American.
Africa.
Where they really do have problems and are not bothered with the freedoms American have.
Right next to one of those rivers with floating body parts from the latest inter-tribal discussion of grievances.
You know America is just a horribly oppressive place.
I actually got into a long debate on a high school football message board (of all places) the other day about exactly this, and the consensus from many of the respondents was something along those lines.
None of them are lining up to leave for greener pastures, mind. Not even someone like Kaepernick who could live pretty much wherever he likes.
Kaepernick would be hard pressed to find any other country on earth where he woudl be paid a 6+ figure salary to sit on a bench and watch sports played by better men.
Sure, but he’s got the money now to leave this horribly oppressive place and go anywhere else he likes.
Strangely enough he is staying put (just like most of the rest of the whiners).
And never mind that 60 years ago he would have experienced what real racism was like. It would not have involved getting paid millions to play games, for sure.
“Canada or Mexico” MY ASS!! I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but IMHO BOTH of those countries are TOO damned nice for her, I humbly suggest she move to say, Liberia, Somalia, Nigeria, North Korea or Cuba, just my two cents worth.
Zimbabwe… send her the the black hole of Africa.
YES!
Put her on report.
EMI for six weeks with the mop, bucket and floor buffer.
Extra watch, restricted to quarters, chow hall, and classes.
No liberty hours, period.
Which school is she in at Pensacola? Which “A” school? Not that I care, but she’s taking up room with her shitbaggery that could go to someone who gives a damn.
Oh, yeah – drop her clearance level to ‘Confidential’. I’m sure she’d sell anything, including her ass, in a heartbeat.
These are legitimate peaceful protests.
People need to stop confusing patriotism with blind nationalism.
That being said, active duty folks have do not have the legal option to protest in this manner as the laws are currently written since they are required my military regulation to stand at attention during the national anthem.
However, an off duty in service member in civilian clothes might win a constitutional challenge of that regulation and any punishment from it.
Though I doubt this kid will challenge it. He will take his Captain’s mast and try to keep a lower profile for a while.
Fuck off, poodle dick!
First of all, lars, you asshole poodledick, it’s not a ‘HE’, it’s a ‘SHE’.
Try reading for comprehension, dimwit.
Second, отвали и умереть.
Ex-PH2:
1) You are assuming that lars can comprehend, and read with comprehension.
2) I suspect that the sex of a person is irrelevant to lars, who would Californicate with a goat.
I love it when Ex talks dirty……..
Commissar Poodledick hath rubbed Ex-PH2 the displeasure way
NOW horologe her sharpen her claws on the want-wit as though the TAH Lioness she is…
Really?
During my career in the Marine Corps, I never realized that when I was ‘off duty…in civilian clothes’, that I was no longer subject to the UCMJ. I could have sworn that I was required to conduct myself as a U.S. Marine (and in accordance with the UCMJ) 24/7.
It never occurred to me that I could conduct myself as a self-absorbed, disrespectful little shithead and intentionally violate the UCMJ in my ‘off duty’ time. Who knew?
Oh, by the way, this is an active duty U.S. Navy Sailor, not a ‘kid’. And she’s not a ‘he’.
I never said she was not subject to the UCMJ.
What I said is that the requirement to stand at attention when not on duty and not in uniform has some constitutional issues with respect to her right to freely protest.
The UCMJ does not trump the constitution.
YOU STUPID FOOL!
You wage nay heed to verity as thee mered aspect what thee hardiness to through the dissembling verity thine neat teachers who hath NO years within the sterling world hath fed thee.
GET READY little neat, the
sterling world shalt begnaw thee up and spit thee forth afore thee e’en hath a denotement as to what befallen.
What? Is that – no, it isn’t Yiddish. Oh! I know! It’s Polonius logic. How could I have missed that….?
Commissar Poodledick, From your numerous previous posts here, it has been surmised that you are an Army officer. As such, I find it interesting that you as a soldier somehow feel entitled to come in here and proceed to lecture members of the Naval Service (which includes the Marine Corps) on your misguided perceptions relevant to the proper conduct of U.S. Naval Personnel when rendering honors to the U.S. National Flag. Here is the excerpt from the NAVADMIN posted below that directly addresses the subject Sailor’s inappropriate behavior while “protesting” while, as you erroneously say in her defense, “she’s not on duty and not in uniform”. ‘2. During the playing of the national anthem, or the raising, lowering, or passing of the national flag, Sailors will continue to follow the policy and procedures outlined in ref b. Specifically, Sailors not in uniform will face the flag, stand at attention, and place the right hand over the heart. If covered, Sailors not in uniform will remove their headgear with the right hand and place their right hand over their heart. When the flag is not present, Sailors will act in the same manner while facing the direction of the music.’ Please note that the CNO specifically directs that “Sailors not in uniform will face the flag, stand at attention, and place the right hand over the heart.”. It does not say that Sailors “may”, “decide not to”, “think it over”, etc. CNO clearly directs that Sailors WILL face the flag, stand at attention, and place the right hand over the heart. It’s not up for debate. No sitting in “protest”, no fists in the air. None of that nonsense. Also please note that the CNO’s NAVADMIN message posted below directs that Sailors WILL continue to comply with the policy and procedures outlined in REF B. Ref B is an OPNAV Instruction issued by the CNO, and so it constitutes a legal order under the Chief of Naval Operation’s authority over the conduct of U.S. Navy personnel. Therefore, by willfully failing to comply with published U.S. Navy Regulations and an OPNAV Instruction… Read more »
https://youtu.be/vBfFDTPPlaM
Good God Lars, is there no assclownery that you won’t award a gold star so long as it meets some vague left wing “protest” criteria?
This…individual…is as wrong as she can be, and you know it. Your moronic virtue signaling won’t fly with us.
there is NO fathom of foppery and disconnection from verity that Commissar nill rein to.
Are you actually a serving member of the US armed forces? An officer?
You appear to be knowingly encouraging violations of UCMJ.
Do you comprehend just how serious an infraction that would be?
As much as you go out of your way to troll this site, do you perhaps imagine that not one reader here might take exception to what appears to be advocating -mutiny-, and seek out your chain of command?
Did you even consider that?
OK. Re read your post. Looks like you tap-danced around open advocacy of naughty.
However, your tone could lead others to believe you approve, and that mere appearance seems… Whats the word….
Prejudicial?
Commissar is a currently serving member of the United States Armed Forces. He’s Major Commissar, of the United States Army Reserve. My high speed TOC display like commercial law enforcement research center, and my associates, informed me of that.
You owe me a 7 pound block of cheese for that answer, I would like it before the end of next week please.
Cheese,
Dennis Howard Chevalier
Denny H. Chevalier
Asiago, parmesano, or Vermont supersharp cheddar?
I think service members still retain most of their constitutional rights.
So does the DoD.
And the Supreme Court.
So I am not advocating military members violate the UCMJ I am advocating commanders use common sense in applying the UCMJ and balancing it against the constitution.
Which is something ALL law enforcement, prosecutors, judges, and lawmakers are supposed to do. Civilian and Military.
The UCMJ does not trump the constitution and in this case I do think she has a right to silent protest when not in uniform and that right would hold up if she had the motivation to appeal any UCMJ penalties.
OK, mister. You appear to want to put your dick on the anvil, and hand the world a hammer. So be it.
As far as this former 11B is concerned, a supposed officer signing himself publicly as “Commissar Poodledick” is in and of itself prejudicial to good order and discipline, as well as conduct unbecoming an Officer. Feel free to correct me if I have that wrong somehow.
From what I can see from your posts, you appear to have repeatedly expressed weasely support, or at least limp-wristed tolerance, for a clear and unambiguous vilolation of UCMJ and lawful orders, despite the clear and unambiguous duty of an Officer to -stop- such mis-behavior. In what way would that -not- also be prejudicial and unbeccoming?
If the burdens of your comission, and the duties thereof, weigh too heavily, do please do us all the courtesy of resigning.
Mend. Your. Ways.
23 years in the Army, and I was never “off duty” until the day I retired.
Armed Forces is not the same as a Starbucks barista….
Ditto, Doc… and I still stop and stand for the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance.
Like that elementary schoolboy who was late for class but stopped and saluted when the Pledge was being said.
Service members have a constitutional right to participate in peaceful protest when off duty and no in uniform.
Sorry you do not like the constitution but that is the way it is for now.
So all the morons who got DUIs “off duty” shouldn’t have received any UCMJ attention? Really?
Stop thinking Commissar… you might hurt yourself.
Legitimate peaceful protest?
First, some ground work: Read the back of the DD Form 4.
When you’re done with that, read the opinion that SCOTUS offered in Parker v. Levy:
“While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it”
Or try Orloff v. Willoughby – where SCOTUS weighed in and wrote:
“The military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian. Orderly government requires that the judiciary be as scrupulous not to interfere with legitimate [Army] matters as the [Army] must be scrupulous not to intervene in judicial matters”.
Fuckin’ imbecile.
Military members have a right to participate in peaceful protest.
Yes, that right is more constrained than for civilians but in this instance I think she is acting well within her rights and would win on appeal.
A roach turd has at least a hundred fold more intelligence than you do.
Right to protest peacefully?
Perhaps so, but when the same servicemember conducts him/herself in such a way that discredits the military while participating in peaceful protests won’t fly.
In the video she was worried she would get caught, so she knew what she was doing was wrong.
I’m sure there are more people than just me that have called others down who tried to dodge “colors”.
Same goes for you, Commissar. Commissioned officer or not, I’d call your ass down and confront you if you tried to dodge colors.
YOU FUCKING MORON!!!
Fuck off shitbag.
I am arguing in defense a service members constitutional right.
You fucking traitor pieces of shit only pretend to care about the constitution until it applies to someone else.
Fucking shitbag.
LOOK at my comment above, you candyassed shit-for-brains. The more I see of your roach shit-brained rants, the more convinced I am that you got forced out via a stream of SHITTY OER’s and other consequences of shit-for-brained incompetency. YOU sound like a couple of Officers and NCO’s I helped GET RID OF from our Unit and Theater of Operations before their idiocy and incompetency got someone maimed or killed (We got them relieved for Cause and shipped Stateside).
Why don’t you pull your head out of the mountain of textbooks at Bezerkley and talk face-to-face with a JAG officer from any of the four branches of the military. They answer they will give you may just open your myopic eyes…
Get a DWI downtown over the weekend while wearing civilian clothes and see where you end up on Monday morning.
You’re not “off duty” ever.
Even reservists get tagged for DUIs when they aren’t in a paid status. You can be kicked from your unit, lose your clearance, etc., for getting one. Especially if you lose your civilian license.
Same goes for doing urinalysis. Reservists have, in the past, fought that they smoked weed as a civilian, but that flew about as far as a battleship if I threw it. You get kicked out just the same pissing hot for weed (even in Washington or Colorado).
“Even reservists get tagged for DUIs when they aren’t in a paid status.”
DITTO with the NG, a DUI will WRECK a NG Soldier’s Career whether EM, NCO or Officer.
I learned while on “I&I” duty that reservists who popped positive for drugs from a urine test administered during drill weekend were charged not for using drugs (per se), but for having traces of the drug in their system while in a pay status.
It didn’t matter if they smoked pot the Tuesday before drill weekend. What mattered was they had the drug in their system while in uniform (and while subject to the UCMJ).
Admin discharges with OTH’s attached to them usually followed.
False similarity. You have a constitutional right to free speech.
You do not have a right to drive drunk.
And you legally ARE off duty at times with respect to your ability to participate in political processes and protests.
That is a fact.
You are not a lawyer, an attorney or even a clerk in a judge’s office, Taylor, so dry up and blow away.
They’re right.
You’re wrong. And to top it off, you are NOT A LAYWER, neither a LEGAL OFFICER nor a JAG.
But you ARE a JAGOFF.
Commissar aka “Lostcause” aka “Commissar Poodledick” has a grasp on UCMJ Knowledge, common sense, facts, and logic like Daniel A. Bernath has a grip on Honesty, Ethics, Court Procedure, and the Rule of Law.
BULLSHIT, YOU CANDYASSED SHIT-FOR-BRAINS, once one is on Active Duty Military Service they are subject to UCMJ Action 24/7, IT’S NO WONDER you’re no longer in, IMHO you had to have been one VERY out-of-touch and incompetent BOOB of an Officer that was only kept in during an any-warm-body-will-do period just like some of the VERY inferior grade NCO’s I had to put up with and bypass to get the job done right and that includes a couple of Officer I helped get rid of (They’re still VERY physically alive and well, I took part in helping get them relieved and shipped the mudda-fuck out of the Theater of Operations before their incompetence got someone maimed or killed).
Free speech. So if one of JCS Generals, on a Saturday afternoon, from home, in his skivvies, happens to mention on his personal Facebook page that Obama is a prick, everything will be peachy-keen come Monday morning?
Lars I do believe you are wrong on this one
FWIW I spent almost 4 years “additional dutied” as a Company and Battalion Legal NCO. During that period I averaged 1 chapter a month (not kicked back) and put together 4 successful Court Martial packets. Too many Article 15s to remember. Even had a couple of unsuccessful IG investigations flung at me because of my success.
I wasn’t a lawyer, but if you had a shitbag Soldier needing some attention, I was your man.
As a rather hilarious sidenote, I was also the Unit REUP NCO during that same period and never had a quarter below 100% for Initial and Midterm reenlistments.
I hated Fort Hood….
Oops. The whole for the above was to point attention to Article 134-12, UCMJ. Google it Lars. Got her dead to rights…
?????
I unfortunately had a few lost souls assigned to me and could never understand why
I found out later, most of the BN Leadership figured if I couldn’t help and deal with them
Then they were toast
Then they dropped the hammer on them. Had one guy that went from a SSG then SPC to PVT and was told he was given a OTH I was Casvacd so I didn’t know what had happen until a year latter, the guy was bat shit crazy,
and I felt bad for him. Because he needed help for his head but I guess he threatened
a first Sargent. And that was it
This little assclown needs to be pounded with the largest administrative hammer the Navy can find. Followed by a swift exit from military service. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Smoke her self-righteous tail. Run her ’till she pukes, then make her do pushups over her puke – nose touching the ground. Then squats, the flutter-kicks – still where she puked.
Daily.
For 6 months.
And every evening – read some history and write a 10 page report on what she learned.
Then boot her out. Discharge her somewhere in the middle of Uganda and make her find her way home.
you just can’t fix a stupid SJW wannabee
Oh, I’m sorry you special little snowflake. You signed a contract with the military and are covered by the UCMJ. It’s not going to be racism when they decide you bend you over a desk and paddle your fat ass with the rules. I can foresee her having a very difficult, and very short, career ahead of her with a Big Chicken Dinner at the end.
As a retired soldier and a volunteer at my local VA Hospital working with our paralyzed veterans, I know of a number of our patients who would love to be able to stand for the National Anthem.
100 Bucks says she gets away with this
Should be thrown the book but she’ll walk free
Fucking spell check should have th book thrown at her
She’ll probably stand up as an advocate for segregated barracks in order to provide “safe space”. The seismic activity in the area around the grave of MLK must be off the scale.
Clearest indication of her character imaginable. The Navy is just a check to her.
BTW-at the WEARTV link there is a story about a mother and daughter who were arrested for incest after they married each other.
It was just crazy talk by us conservatives that changing the definition of traditional marriage would lead to some bizarre places donchaknow.
She just got divorced from her son before she married her daughter, though. Must be a really small town.
There are definitely some areas in and around Pensacola that one should try to avoid if at all possible.
Its amazing how much of Northern Florida is more like Southern Alabama or Southern Georgia.
https://onsizzle.com/i/uncle-daddy-and-men-uncle-roll-tide-ro-gonna-have-1059060
I heard that IDC SARC was petitioning to try to have her adopt him.
Obviously not a family tree, but a family vine. Entertwined at that, no branches.
Aside from her protest, what about taking video on a military installation?
Then, uploading said video to public social media?
Usually, if someone is taking photos the MPs are on them in a heartbeat.
That only applies in restricted areas. Anything you want to see about a post anymore, I guarantee you can find on Google. Hard to fault someone for taking pictures or video when the post commands are putting that and more on Facebook.
Well, it looks like she’s gonna get away with this disrespectful bullshit after all.
No discharge or separation; just “administrative actions” and a set of complimentary PCS orders to her next duty station.
From The Navy Times:
‘This sailor sided with Colin Kaepernick, sat out anthem. Now the Navy is taking action.’
https://www.navytimes.com/articles/this-sailor-sided-with-kaepernick-sat-out-anthem-now-the-navy-is-taking-action
‘[…]
“We have identified the Sailor and her chain of command was made aware of the video,” said Lt. Cmdr. Kate Meadows, a spokeswoman for Naval Education and Training Command. “Appropriate administrative actions are pending.”
“She is not being discharged or separated,” Meadows added. “She will be able to move on to her next duty station as planned.”
[…]’.
Well, there are plenty of things that can be done short of her being discharged or separated. For the next few months I bet she’ll be wishing she was separated.
If I were her Chief, she’d be standing outside at reveille and retreat every day showing proper honors. For starters.
Ostracism by all those around her would be quite appropriate.
Yes, it used to be that when you left “A” school, you were automatically E-3, and got E-4 (PO3) by the end of your first year of AD. I don’t know if that has changed, but no promotion and no automatic advancement would be appropriate, as would dismissing her from the school she is attending.
Roger all.
However, with the way that things have been going lately in the USN and USMC, this little stunt of hers may actually have put her in a strong position to be appointed as one of her next command’s “Diversity Representatives”.
And, sadly, I’m not joking or being sarcastic when I say that.
The fact that the Navy has already announced that she’s going to walk away from this with minimum repercussions speaks volumes about the current command climate.
Been retired too long to remember the exact rating numbers and wording, but seem to recall a 2.8 and especially a 2.0 on ‘military bearing’ (?) almost precluded advancement, as it was part of the final multiple. Let me know if wrong b/c it changed. I never saw anyone advanced to next pay grade (E-4/5/6) with a 2.0 in military bearing. Think it was military bearing. Watch her be transferred with a 3.8 or 4.0 just to transfer her and to shut her up. This is the type of ‘Sailor’ who knows all her rights, who knows all the rules, as they apply to her and conveniently forgets that she also has responsibilities to the country that is allowing her to attempt to improve herself. You know, that ‘learn a career path trade’ and ‘GI Bill’ stuff. Throw in VA care and possible $ as well. She knows how to milk the system. She doesn’t work for the Navy; the Navy works for her. She will be a bad actor for the remainder of her TIS.
And everyone at her next command is gonna know EXACTLY who she is and what she did before she ever shows up.
$10 says she just goes, “Fuck it,” and deserts while she’s home on leave.
That would be the best result. Just mail her OTH to her home of record 30 days after she goes UA.
“$10 says she just goes, “Fuck it,” and deserts while she’s home on leave.”
I SO hope you’re right, that would be a huge savings of money and trouble for the US Navy. BUT what say, she does desert, what are your odds on her being a future poser or embellisher featured on TAH?
As was stated, this is about nothing more than garnering attention. I’m sure all her friends on FB are applauding her actions.
It reminds me of the female who hid in her car on Ft Carson a few years back and posted it on instagram. The Army handled it quietly and she didn’t enjoy the results of her “cuz idgaf!”
This one won’t enjoy the repercussions either. Even if she stays in the Navy, she’ll be remembered for this one as long as she’s around.
Smack her silly and make her spend some time taking care of the war wounded.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/one-picture-just-destroyed-colin-kaepernicks-for-refusing-to-stand-for-national-anthem/
+250
That one comment below the article by Jim Meeks got me pretty steamed….
I hope she gets NJP Art 1-5, as well as a midnight blanket party.
Actions have consequences. Play stoopid games, win stoopid prizes.
Maybe she’s friends with Monifa Sterling.
If so, perhaps she’s getting legal advice from her.
Maybe they should just drop her off at a port in Africa?
I heartily suggest either Liberia, Somalia, or Nigeria.
Trying to listen to her speak I can only imagine her “school” was for cook or to be the fucking clerk who screws up your records. In my day, I would have been kicking rocks on the way back home with an OTH if not BCD had I pulled such asshattery. We do not need her in the Armed Forces. She said she will not stand until she knows the Navy has her back as a black woman. Kiss my ass in the county square you twat!!!!!!
And, of course, IDC SARC would hit it…..
Well….she’s a vet and she’s naughty.
I bet that Standard Navy Issue Ass see a lot of action.
Dumb primitive bitch with the entitlement mentality. ALWAYS about race isn’t it? Especially when you face accountability. Add the black power salute midway through, and does this piss off some people????? No better than a kinky haired crak ho. GREAT leadership skills!!! Stupid enough to turn on the BET channel and think it is a place for making wagers.
It’s ALL about the mentality of “GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!” because of their skin color. IMHO LBJ sold his soul and destroyed much of Black America with his “War on Poverty”.
For those who think this little skank is somehow off-duty when in civvies: (you’ll see no mention of 9-5, off-duty, vacation, etc) UCMJ – 802. ARTICLE 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER 01. General Provisions (a) The following persons are subject to this chapter: (1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it. (2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman. (3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service. (4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay. (5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force. (6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve. (7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial. (8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces. (9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces. (10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field. (11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or may be a party… Read more »
I’m sure Sgt William H Carney would have a few chioce words for her. Of all the men who wore blue uniforms in the Civil War, none felt more keenly the purpose of his mission than the African-American soldier. Every marching step, every swing of a pick and every round fired at Confederate enemies gave him a chance to strike a blow against slavery and prove himself equal to his white comrades. U.S. Colored Troops were consistentlygood fighters, performing well in every engagement in which they fought. Even their enemies had to grudgingly admit that fact. One USCT member, William H. Carney, transcended good to become great, and was the first black U.S. soldier to earn the Medal of Honor. On February 17, 1863, at age 23, Carney heeded the call for African Americans to join a local militia unit, the Morgan Guards, with 45 other volunteers from his hometown of New Bedford, Mass. That unit would later become Company C of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment. There was something unique about the new regiment, commanded by Colonel Robert Gould Shaw; it was an all-black unit with the exception of senior officers and a few senior noncommissioned sergeants. The 54th Massachusetts was created to prove that black men could be good soldiers. Carney was born a slave on February 29, 1840, at Norfolk, Va. His father, also named William, escaped slavery, reaching freedom through the underground railroad. William Sr. then worked hard to buy the freedom of the rest of his family. The free and reunited family settled in New Bedford in the second half of the 1850s. Young William learned to read and write, and by age 15 he was interested in becoming a minister. He gave up his pursuit of the ministry, however, to join the Army. In an 1863 edition of the Abolitionist newspaper The Liberator, Carney stated: “Previous to the formation of colored troops, I had a strong inclination to prepare myself for the ministry; but when the country called for all persons, I could best serve my God serving my country and my oppressed brothers.… Read more »
I am sure that I am not the only one who is sick and tired of this stupid shit. You want to sit, kneel, or lie down during the National Anthem. You go right ahead. I will call you an asshole out loud for all the world to hear. If others join me in deriding you, so much the better. As for the professional athletes that are doing this shit, all that their employer has to do is tell them to stand or they will be benched or fired. That’s all. There really is not much to it. Stand or be fired. There is no 1st A right at issue for these clowns. It doesn’t apply in these workplaces.
What it will take is a large enough number of us refusing to spend our money and be insulted in the process. I have been a Panthers PSL owner for 15 years, but if I see even one of them sit or kneel during the national anthem I will stay away until the team takes a stand. I love footbal, but my love for my country is infinitely greater and I won’t see it insulted by a bunch of spoiled, tatted up millionaires, who couldn’t have it better anywhere else on the planet if they searched for 5000 years. To hell with this nonsense!
Does this spoiled brat know who Harriet Tubman was, and what she did?’
I doubt it, but I think Mrs. Tubman would give her more than a little piece of her mind.
The WORST that could happen to her, and the BEST that could happen to the Navy, would be to PCS her. ‘Chief, that sounds like bullshit.’ Here’s my thinking. Her next command knows she is a turd. Now, giving her Extra Duty/Captain’s Mast at Pensacola WILL NOT alter her racist, entitled attitude one iota. It will only make her more cautious of public display of her immaturity. I WANT her to continue to be a fuckup. ‘Chief, you lost it.’ No, not yet. Her next command knows she is on the way. Her LCPO, Command Master Chief, LPO, CO and XO and Division Officer all know she is pond scum. She will continue with her passive aggressive ways: late for muster, UA for short periods of time returning from liberty, borderline disrespect, lying, substandard work performance etc. You know, nipping at the edges of being written up and taken to mast. So, those mentioned above should give her a documented counseling session each time she pulls her bullshittery. (Have that shit witnessed and countersigned by another. This broad will say her signature is forged or she never saw the document(s).) After a time, maybe a year, maybe six months, she will fuck up enough to be taken to mast or court martial. At that time, dump all those other incidents on her head to show a well-documented pattern of douchebaggery. Enough so she has no wiggle room. The mast should hand her the worst possible sentence. The worst I saw, to which I was party when those for whom I was a Senior Enlisted Advisor screwed up, was a reduction in pay grade, restriction, extra duty and a fine. At court martial, which probably won’t happen b/c she will only nip at the edges of douchebaggery, hand her an OTH and a ride to her barracks to get her stuff and then to the front gate where the taxi is waiting. (Make sure she takes her Malcom X poster from her locker.) Should take four hours from sentencing. Her pay can be made current within that time. She can get… Read more »
As best as I can recollect, stopping and standing at attention was the absolute requirement on any USMC base. ANY deviation, to the best of my knowledge would have had SEVERE consequences. The dumb bitch and her remarks about the Marines in her presence precludes any explanation of, “I had no idea this was wrong!” Put her ass in a platoon of USMC Women Boots; that would solve the problem quite well.
You’re absolutely right.
Even kids on the playground understand what rendering proper respect means:
I defend the 1st Amendment and you guys lose you damn minds. I can’t even count how many names I was called over this.
If I was defending the 2nd amendment you would all be in agreement.
What kind of pieces of shit only think the 2nd amendment matters?
You traitor shitbags constantly take positions against the 1st, 4th, 8th, and 9th amendments in the bill of rights.
Service members have a PROTECTED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to PEACEFUL PROTEST when not in uniform and not on duty.
That is a fact. And YES you can be “not on duty” as a status with respect to your right to participate in certain political actions including protest.\
You shitbags beed to start recognizing that the constitution APPLIES EVEN TO PEOPLE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH.
Oh, lookie-lookie here! Someone who thinks he knows more about the UCMJ than us poor old plebeian peeps because MAJOR POODLEDICK says so!
The UCMJ supercedes the US Constitution when you are in the military, AD or Reserves, period.
That’s the reason there has been so much controversy over giving handguns to recruiters for self defense at work. If the military district does not want service members carrying personal weapons on base or in the case of recruiters at the MRD, they have to lock them up.
We had this discussion a while back, like MONTHS AGO.
For some reason, I have a hankering for cornbread now.
UCMJ does not supersede the constitution jackass.
The constitution is the supreme law of the land. It supersedes all laws at all levels of government.
As with all constitutional questions the right is balanced against public good and standards of “reasonableness”. Which is why you can’t yell “fire” in a theater.
In the case of the military the need for good order and discipline is an ADDITIONAL STANDARD that is applied that is not applied to constitutional issues with civilian matters. The good order and discipline “public need” is balanced against preserving the rights of service members.
The standard has ALWAYS been to inhibit the rights as little as possible in order to maintain good order and discipline.
Protest and political participation has always been one of the stickier issues. But soldiers have far more rights than people seem to think they do. Service members CAN participate in public protest and other forms of peaceful expression of grievances against the government.
In this case I think this service members is well within her rights and I do not think the military has a strong enough case if she were to appeal.
However, since it became a public issue that actually effects the case. An action that would be constitutional otherwise might be regarded as negatively impacting order and discipline because of the publicity associated with it.
By the way, reservists are not subject to the UCMJ when not on IDT/duty status or federalized.
Wrong again.
UCMJ articles are very specific, especially when it comes to idiotic behavior like that displayed by the sailor IN A PUBLIC ARENA, I.E., THE INTERNET.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=67870&cpage=1#comment-2897726
You are wrong.
“The constitution is the supreme law of the land. It supersedes all laws at all levels of government.” Those statements are fine for a 6th grade civics class (or Wiki Law) but otherwise not. What the Constitution says in its plain language and what the Supreme Court reads into it are not one and the same thing. Moreover, the Congress can and has legislatively reversed Supreme Court pronouncements, effectively overruling these constitutional decisions. So, like I wrote, at the level of sixth grade (4th grade in private schools) your statements are sound.
I find it interesting that you think the UCMJ > Constitution.
Seriously, WTF is wrong with you. Why is it so hard for you to understand?
The publicity matters but the fact that it was PUBLIC does not.
Protests are BY THIER NATURE PUBLIC.
And PUBLIC PROTESTS ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED. EVEN FOR SERVICE MEMBERS.
It is not that complicated.
1. Constitution > UCMJ.
2. Protest is protected speech.
3. Protests are public.
4. Servicemembers have 1st amendment rights to free speech.
5. Service members have a right to PUBLICLY PROTEST.
That is all there is to it.
Thine head be trunk of shit, aroint thee!!
US v. Voorhees.
“They do, in fact, have the same first amendment rights as their civilian brothers. They are, however, not absolute…The difference is that the military has peculiar needs and interests apart from those of the civilian community it serves, and they preclude the exercise of the right of free speech on as broad a basis as is the practice in the civilian community. No officer or man in the armed forces has a right, be it constitutional, statutory or otherwise, to publish any information (or make any statement) which will imperil his unit or its cause
”
Administratively, those last few words have been allowed to be interpreted very liberally.
Parker v. Levy (1974) might be a better example. One of the offenses for which Levy was convicted was making public statements exhibiting disloyalty and which attempted to sway other soldiers to his point of view (this was during Vietnam, and Levy was against the war). Levy challenged his conviction on the basis that his constitutional rights had been violated. The SCOTUS held that the military could indeed restrict his free speech rights, saying (money quote – emphasis added):
” . . . while military personnel are not excluded from First Amendment protection, the fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it.”
What Levy did in urging black soldiers not to obey orders to go to Vietnam would have been perfectly legal had he been a civilian. Since he was in uniform at the time, it was an impermissible violation of the UCMJ.
Your last blurb about reservists is a non sequitur. The individual is attending a service school at NAS Pensacola. Ergo, she is currently on active duty and subject to the UCMJ 24/7.
You are correct in that the UCMJ does not “supersede” the Constitution. In this case, it does not have to.
Article I of the Constitution in part reads as follows:
Last time I checked, the UCMJ was Congress’ exercise of the authority to it granted by Congress to promulgate those “rules for government and regulation of the land and naval forces”. And one of those rules – Article 92, UCMJ – requires military personnel to obey regulations at all times when subject to the UCMJ.
If any Navy or local command/installation regulation requires her to stand and render proper honors to the National Anthem, she has just violated the UCJM – her Constitutional rights notwithstanding. I’ll go out on a limb here and say that I’m reasonably sure that such a regulation exists.
Article 92 is an article for which she can indeed be hammered hard. Hard, as in DD plus 2 years confinement.
And no, lack of knowledge won’t save her if her command wants to push it. Prior knowledge of the regulation is immaterial, as lack of knowledge is not a defense regarding violations of this article.
In short, CPd, you’re again “out to lunch”. Or, perhaps more appropriately, you’re “out in left field” – yet again.
No, members of the military don’t lose their Constitutional rights when they enlist. But their allowed means of expression of those rights are in fact severely curtailed in certain areas – e.g., wherever the UCMJ and/or service regulations regulate their conduct.
I was responding to EX-PH2’s comment that specifically included reservists (she literally said RESERVISTS).
So it was not a non-sequitur.
And US military regulation do not trump the constitution.
They can prosecute her under their local regulation or even DoD policies but they may very well be violating her rights and if she appeals she may very likely win because she RETAINS the constitutional right to peaceful protest and that is EXACTLY what she is doing.
I am not sure why it is so hard for you guys to understand that the CONSTITUTION MATTERS.
You do not get to dictate when or when it does not matter. Only the courts, particularly the supreme court, gets to make decision like that.
If she did not stand because she merely did not want to they would have a legitimate grounds to prosecute. But her doing it as a form of protest MAKES IT PROTECTED SPEECH. And her doing it off duty and not in uniform means the military has far less grounds to claim it is a threat to good or and discipline sufficient to deny her constitutional rights.
If she did it in a military formation or in uniform she would have no chance of winning and appeal.
But I think she is in her rights and the military is wrong to try to prosecute IF that is what they choose to do.
Obviously, LARS, you are functionally ILLITERATE.
These are YOUR words:
‘she literally said RESERVISTS’
I SAID NO SUCH THING. YOU ARE AN ILLITERATE ASS AND THIS TIME, YOU ARE LYING.
Milady, I oft phoenix whe’er that calf tries to be as foppish and clueless as he can, or does it come to the calf wildly?
He always has a problem with the purity of thought of others, but never with his own.
An original thought would crack his feeble skull.
If not shatter it to the winds!
It is indeed a non sequitur in the context of this individual. This individual’s Active/Reserve Component status is irrelevant, as the individual in question is currently serving on Federal active duty to attend a service school and is thus subject to the UCMJ 24/7.
Freedom of speech includes the right to tell someone to get lost, or call them an idiot. However, the military takes an exceptionally dim view of such language from a subordinate to (or in some cases, about) a superior. See Articles 88, 89, and 91 of the UCMJ for examples.
By your logic, all three of those UCMJ articles would be unconstitutional. The folks who’ve been convicted and punitively discharged for violations of same (and in some cases, have done time as well) would beg to differ.
In civilian life, tell your boss to “f**k off” and you might get fired. Do it while serving on active duty in the military (or while on IDT as a Reservist) and that is a Federal criminal offense that can put you in jail.
Bottom line: the free speech rights of someone in the military are somewhat curtailed vis-a-vis their civilian peers. And the courts have upheld that curtailment as being perfectly legal.
Not to muddy the waters too much but when I was working in theater as a contractor, we were informed in writing that we, as civilian contractors, were subject to the UCMJ. Too bad Lars wasn’t there to tell me it was Bullshit. Maybe he told Bergdahl about his inherent right to emigrate>Constitution>UCMJ.
Hondo, You nailed it in your post: “If any Navy or local command/installation regulation requires her to stand and render proper honors to the National Anthem, she has just violated the UCJM – her Constitutional rights notwithstanding. I’ll go out on a limb here and say that I’m reasonably sure that such a regulation exists.” Such Naval Regulations do exist, and this Sailor is in clear violation of them by “protesting” during the National Anthem. Specifically: 1) U.S. NAVY REGULATIONS, 1990 2) OPNAVINST 1710.7A, NAVY SOCIAL USAGE AND PROTOCOL MANUAL 3) NAVADMIN 089/90 SALUTES AND HONORS TO THE NATIONAL FLAG (This message is posted below in its entirety.) What Commissar Poodledick continues to fail to understand is that this Sailor is in violation of UCMJ Article 92 because she is disobeying Navy regulations DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. That’s where the violation occurs: DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. It might be a different story if she was out waving a sign around and protesting on a Saturday morning in civilian clothes on her own time, but that is clearly not the case here. As usual, Commissar Poodledick has no idea what he’s talking about here, and as always he’s the only one who doesn’t realize it. R 012345Z APR 09 FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N00// TO NAVADMIN BT UNCLAS //N01710// NAVADMIN 098/09 MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N00/APR// SUBJ/SALUTES AND HONORS TO THE NATIONAL FLAG// REF/A/DOC/U.S. NAVY REGULATIONS, 1990// REF/B/DOC/OPNAVINST/15JUN01// NARR/REF A IS U.S. NAVY REGULATIONS, 1990. REF B IS OPNAVINST 1710.7A, NAVY SOCIAL USAGE AND PROTOCOL MANUAL.// RMKS/1. The intent of this NAVADMIN is to eliminate any confusion regarding appropriate honors to the flag by Navy personnel. By custom and tradition, Navy personnel do not render the hand salute when out of uniform or when uncovered; that has not changed. 2. During the playing of the national anthem, or the raising, lowering, or passing of the national flag, Sailors will continue to follow the policy and procedures outlined in ref b. Specifically, Sailors not in uniform will face the flag, stand at attention, and place the right hand over the heart. If covered, Sailors not… Read more »
Funny you should mention the 2nd Amendment – it doesn’t really apply on base either.
Then again, you are not known for logical/rational thought progression.
“…you are not known for logical/rational thought progression.”
And there it is, folks! Short and to the point.
Thank you, OWB!
(Still laughing.)
Lars has had installed the standard lefty mind filter where facts that run counter to his worldview (individuals do not enjoy their second amendment rights on base which demonstrates that the military may have rules that run counter to the Constitutional protections enjoyed by civilians) are conveniently filtered away.
OTOH it made me laugh, for what that’s worth.
Bullshit.
You support the constitution for everyone that agrees with you or looks like you or hold you religious or political beliefs.
I support it for EVERYONE. Even when they disagree.
It is you applying a biased filter to constitutional issues.
Double Bullshit right back at you Lars. If a troop had made such a “free speech” stand in favor of say, the Klan*, we would still be here calling that person an asshat, but I guarandamntee that you wouldn’t be on here raising all sorts of Constitutional objections.
You regularly get clowned on here because you’re too damned dumb to know how wrong you almost always are and too damned arrogant to admit it when it is pointed out to you.
Fuck your damn couch!
*Yes Lars, I know that “extremist groups” are banned in the ranks, which sort of speaks to the issue of how much the military can restrict “free speech”, doesn’t it.
Dumbass!
Indeed. He’d be here demanding the idiot be arrested for “hate speech” or “violating a safe space” or some such crap.
I certainly don’t ever remember him standing up for the morons at the Westboro Baptist Church on 1st Amendment grounds. Then again, they’re allegedly a “Christian” group, so I’m also guessing he thinks they’re part of the problem because of that fact and not because they’re freaking idiots.
Commissar Poodledick, I see every one of your arguments as PROOF of my hypothesis that you were either RIF’ed or pushed out due to reprimands, incompetency, imbecility, and sub-par OER’s.
It does apply on base, but the court have ruled that there is a good public imperative to have certain restrictions on base. So it is far less constrained than it is off base.
Just like free speech is far more constrained ON BASE.
And the fact that this occurred on base makes her constitutional claim weaker. However, this was peaceful protest and I think the DoD would have a hard time proving it constituted a sufficient threat to good order and discipline when weighed against the merit of the “speech” itself.
O blithering imbecilic quoit, dost thou assay to be this tardy and clueless, or does it come thee wildly?
Prithy Lars, thou art the chapeau of an ass and thy countenance is marked by haughty doltishness.
Indeed, he would put his own dick in a bun, thinking it was his lunch, and consume it, thinking it was just another wiener.
The calf known as Commissar Poodledick hath poodle shit for brains and naught holding or apron-man agent, I survey his overplus as naught other than a government bureaucrat.
The courts have also ruled that such a “public imperative” exists allowing the military to restrict the free speech rights of those in the military. See Parker v. Levy (1974).
“Men and women have died for my right and Colin Kaepernick’s right to determine whether or not we want to stand or sit. That’s the thing people really don’t understand.”
She really is as stupid as she looks. The 1st Amendment prohibits the Federal gov’t from quashing speech. Later, that prohibition extended to the states through a sup Ct bastardization of the 14th Amendment and its incorporation agenda. Neither the US nor California gov’ts have and role in the Craperdink/Copernicus/Whatever display. As in none.
Well the military is taking action under the UCMJ and I am not sure they are right to do so in this case.
If she appeals she way very well win since this was a peaceful action, off duty, and not in uniform.
The UCMJ does not trump the constitution.
She pulled her stunt on the military base. Their base, their rules, dickhead. She can do what she wants, in civvies, off base, whenever she feels like it, if she doesn’t identify as a member of the military. You really were let go because of OERs, weren’t you?
And fired from the PD because you didn’t know shit about that job, either.
Does Lars aka “Commissar Poodledick” TRY to be this airheaded and imbecilic or does it come to him naturally?
It is bred into him, congealed in his genes before conception, by an unforgiving thrust into the boiling pot that was his dam’s bin of fluid circumstance. I hear she groaned out loud and woke the dog in the night.
I would’st as though to bid him whe’er it HURT, that tincture he oozed forth of someone’s ninny and yerk the stony, lief porcelain and bedewed within the stony water within.
You really aren’t so stupid as to believe that, are you?
Methinks he is, SEA.
Now, judgmental be thou not, good SAE. For when Lars did stare into the abyss, it did stare back at him with glowing coals for eyes, which should teach him, or anyone else, to never stare into a coal-fired furnace.
How like unto an apple worm is he, with only one track in which to push his mind.
For when he was asked what weapon he meant to use to defeat Us, the Surging Masses, he answered simply “Words. Words. Words!!!!”
Milady, disport us to not forget that the dullard Commissar Poodledick hath a poll trunk of bat shit and he hath not a lick of new-forged engine or holding. Instead of choosing a useful engine he hath embarked upon doctrine board that shalt nary get him anywhere other than a government yoke.
Oh, deny not the yoke of subjugation to one who lusts after it so boldly, god API. For in that lusting there is a constancy that may only be found in Hell’s own bunghole.
Truly, Milady.
ART. 134-12
(1) That the accused made a certain statement;
(2) That the statement was communicated to another person;
(3) That the statement was disloyal to the United States;
(4) That the statement was made with the intent to promote disloyalty or disaffection toward the United States by
any member of the armed forces or to interfere with or impair the loyalty to the United States or good order and
discipline of any member of the armed forces; and
(5) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in
the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
Don’t try to confuse Lars with the facts-that never works with lefties. Facts hurt their feelings and those are the only things that matter.
Please note the part in paragraph 4 where it states “any member of the armed forces”, not “while on active duty, in uniform, on Title 10 orders, etc.”
The Internet is not your friend if you’re a stupid punk or a Lars…
Hey nbcguy54ACTUAL, I have it on good authority that Commissar aka “Lostcause” aka “Commissar Poodledick” is VERY ALLERGIC TO facts, logic, and common sense. He had whatever last functioning brain cells he possessed VAPORIZED by the phenomena known as “UC Berkeley” and might also be completely allergic to honest work now as well.
I thought I heard some sneezing and puking earlier. …
BINGO!!! 😀
Ah! Brain cells!?!? Why, good sirs, he doth have a brain of sawdust. He may insist some day that he himself is a genius because he found Einstein’s brain in a jar of formaldehyde and claimed it was his own. How disappointed will he be to find that Einstein’s brain was really an old crunchy peanut butter & jelly sandwich, forgotten and left behind by J. R. Oppenheimer just before he split.
Milady, I repute he merely unearthed an oudated MRE Omelet and mistook it for such and then ate it wit it adjudged him headpiece.
First, Lars, she is wrong to invoke the “right” she did in reference to that SF quarterback. Although she didn’t specify which right others died for, I think it’s safe to say she means the 1st Amendment and free speech. She is wrong, wrong, and wrong. Her own situation is, at least factually, different than the quarterback’s because he was at his privately owned and controlled workplace when he decided to take a knee and the gov’t is not involved at all. Her employer is the gov’t and different standards do apply but no standard allows her to take any personal action that reflects badly on her employer, even a gov’t employer. Whose property was she on? Whose employ was she in? Who captured her sit-down and made it an object of public scorn? She ought to be hammered and I hope that she will.
The fact that it was government property makes the constitutional claim STRONGER not weaker.
The constitution constrains the GOVERNMENT not private citizens or employers. So the quarterback is actually LESS protected than she is.
So the GOVERNMENT punishing her for this is why it is a CONSTITUTIONAL issue.
If is were merely a private employer it would be a civil issue.
You don’t know me.
Jack……seems to me Comrade Poodle Dik is only familiar with one of the Schitts, and I don’t know how close if at all he is related to you. The reference of course to Uncle Bullshit. For the longest time I have been expecting to see that the two of them got a marriage license in some liberal state. The headlines would read, “Dik marries Shit; What’s next…Pussy marries Urine?”
Have to disagree, jarhead. He obviously knows Jack’s cousin Fulla.
Don’t forget pile and drippy
Have you read any of the court case decisions that we have referenced or any of the UCMJ info we’ve posted?
You really are a clueless piece of shit that had to have gotten into the military on some idiot exemption program. Go back to your commune…
He doesn’t have to read your fascist case law, he knows how right he is, as only the righteous can.
Commissar, Doctor of Divinity from the University of California School of Social Justice Theology.
Truly, a warthog from Hell would be far more sagacious and spout less folly than this frabjious fellow Lars.
Perhaps we should take pity on the wank residue and buy him some new sheet music. The one-note repartee does not a recital make.
Commissar Poodledick, thou canst jaw shit and wawl at the moist star, pus-witss!
Oh, he has now power but does pretend to himself that all things move about as his whims demand.
Remember, he hath called us traitors but never did he ask who we serve, or why we’re here. If he pricks us, do we not bleed?
He is steadfast in his pursuit of pricks and sticks and dead deer ticks, but his ears are so stuffed with mud that even a starving tick could not find its way through. There is a hole where his brain is supposed to reside. He keeps it locked in a plastic storage box next to his bedside when he sleeps at night, one hand on the brain box, the other somewhat further down the trail.
I just deleted a few lines of a calm and reasoned response to you, Commissar, because you really just don’t get it. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing and you are proof positive of that. You write a line that is partly true and defensible and then you springboard into foolishness and idiocy. You just don’t get it.
Some people just need to pay more attention during that exciting UCMJ class during Initial Entry Training. ..
So do commanders. She likely was well within her rights.
In know that the actual Manual of Courts Martial is a pretty thick book and has no pictures, but you can research it quite easily via the internet. If your PO approves, I’d suggest finding a fifth grader to show you how to look it up….
??????????
‘Tis not enough that the 5th grader must look it up for him, for that is what will happen. But he will also expect the 5th grader to explain it to him, as his comprehension of words is restricted to those of one syllable or less.
He was probably at least nine before he realized you can eat breakfast with your pants on.
It’s likely he didn’t learn how to wipe his own arse until he was fifteen years old.
But you have to give him credit for being flexible enough at that age to lick his own ass…
The calf known as Commissar Poodledick does not weet anything other than the Marxist shit his professors feed him which he regurgitates hither, he hath NO holding or scurril votarist.
Perhaps, but in the offing there will be heinous mind fuckery, will there not?
Seriously Comrade (still, to me) Poodle Dik….do you crawl out of bed every morning pissed at the world and seek daily someone’s position that is in opposition to yours? You could bitch yourself into a bad mood/uneasy rut each and every day with that poor attitude.
From a confessed simpleton…upon entering ANY branch of the United States Armed forces, one signs a CONTRACT with that branch of service. Not a “You MAY be required to do so and so in order to best represent your chosen branch of service”. Plenty of us for different reasons at one time or another while on stateside duty faced the response of, “The (whatever branch of service you were in) comes FIRST”. The honorable and proud member reluctantly did what was REQUIRED of him/her, regardless as to whether the decision felt “fair” at the time or not. It was done with respect to the service, not to mention fear of reprisal IN THE VERY LEAST! If for none other, my opinion is that the UCMJ IS one’s Constitution while serving.
If this dumb bitch gets by with this, all hell will break when it comes to duty and respect. Who’s to say this is not all by design?
Good Order and Discipline.
A very wide lane when it comes to interpreting that statement in the Military.
The sparkle-pony sale-whore (correct spelling btw for her) managed to step out of that lane.
I bet Lars would hit it…
When I lived at the Ol’ Soldiers’ Home in Washington, D.C., there used to be a Retreat Ceremony each evening, with the bugle sounding “RETREAT”, followed by, “TO THE COLOR” (but, alas, no cannon firing!).
The Ol’ Soldiers’ Home did not observe Reveille, or Taps, but only the Retreat Ceremony.
At the sound of, “RETREAT”, my friends and I would snap to “Attention!”, and at the first note of, “TO THE COLOR”, we would smartly, “Present Arms!”, as we were trained to do by our Basic Combat Training in the United States Army.
Unfortunately, it being Washington, D.C., where almost the entire population, and the city government, is Black, there was a severe racial problem.
Only White veterans would come to, “Attention!”, and render, “Present Arms!”, at the Ol’ Soldiers’ Home’s Retreat Ceremony.
As you might well guess, the Black residents and the Black employees just ignored the bugle calls and refused to come to, “Attention!”, and render, “Present Arms!”.
I suspect it was primarily for that embarrassing reason that the daily Retreat Ceremony was discontinued, and is no longer observed at the Ol’ Soldiers’ Home.
Of course that makes you a racist for pointing out one of life’s truths. When leaving Da Nang the first time, I was at some place where those en route home were sequestered for a night or so in some two story wooden buildings. During the day I was about the grounds, two full-birds and one LTC walked by near me, encountering three shit talking primitives. The jive asses completely disregarded the officers passing immediately by; one full bird told them they were required to salute officers. They pretty much told all three officers to fuck off, they were short, and heading home. Rather than start a different war, the three officers kept on walking in disgust.
Just prior to leaving stateside the first time for RVN, it occurred to me that a number of good Marines with 12-14 years service were getting out. Didn’t take me long to figure out things were first starting to change in early ’66. Rather than enforcing regs and rules, only to have a black mark on your SRB labeling you as a racist, it was just easier to move on and adjust to civilian life as required. Anyone want to call me a racist for telling the God’s TRUTH, fuck you in advance.
Why would a Recruiter allow anyone in the Service with a jailhouse tattoo on their FACE?
I reckon he needed to make mission or didn’t want an EO complaint.
At least you can’t see it in the dark…
Can’t see the tattoo in the dark either.
I really don’t get along well with Sailors as demonstrated above, but I do like the fact they permit my inner Command Master Chief to come out.
From a senior leadership point of view, her Naval career is over. Incidents like this never go away.
But what do I know …
Comment #200.
Feels so gooooood……
Cowboys lose. Giants win. Makes my day.
Kick her sorry ass out.
And the she can go to the VA and claim “PTSD”.
I certainly agree she is breaking the laws of her employment agreement with the US Navy and should be disciplined as far as the law allows.
However, what is the reason for all the hateful name-calling and unprofessional comments from all you “supportive” bloggers. What type of an example are you setting for our youth?
Until you start paying me very big bucks to speak a certain way I will talk the way I want to talk, and will expect others who post comments here to do the same.
Meanwhile, if you don’t like what you hear, nobody is stopping you from hitting the door. This ain’t Sunday School, as you may have noticed. It also is not a day care center. Milblog. Look it up.
The example that we are setting is that actions have consequences. Choosing to disobey a lawful order and disrespect the Country that your serving doesn’t sit well with most of us. She’d be catching the same hell if we were standing in front of her.
One wonders why you are the “Es Wife” of a Marine?
Just by your first sentence you are in total disagreement with our T A H intellectual who knows “IT ALL”.
Typical liberal, blame the messenger. Can’t speak for others, but I personally hope I am setting a prime example for our youth. One of, support and respect for the American Flag and those who made the ultimate sacrifice for us to honor the flag and freedom we fought for.
Woman, you haven’t even begun to see name calling yet. Stick around and run your mouth: you’ll see it. Too many good men and women have made sacrifices for that flag to fly even today. Not likely you’ll find any “supporter” of hers or any other similar retard for actions like hers. Leave it be and move on to the Pissed Off Ex Wives’ Society.
The two what? Utes.
Bras are supportive. Cheerleaders are supportive. When it comes to knuckleheads, we are neither bras nor cheerleaders.
2/17…tits and chants….what else does a man need to make it a good day?