Pentagon is lifting the tranny ban
No one should be surprised that the Pentagon has decided to lift the ban against transgendered service members according to the Associated Press;
Carter is creating a working group to do a six-month study on the impact of lifting the ban. Carter says the group will begin with the presumption that transgender people should be able to serve openly.
The plan, which was first reported by The Associated Press, gives the services time to work through questions about health care, housing, physical standards, uniforms and costs associated with the change.
Yeah, well, go ahead. The thing is, I don’t want to hear the Pentagon cry about how they don’t have money to fund our healthcare, how they don’t have money for adequate pay raises for the folks on active duty, how they can’t afford to keep the A-10 Thunderbolt in the skies above the ground forces. If they have the money to study how to integrate deviants into the services for no good reason, they have enough money to pay us cis-gendered folks what they promised us.
Category: Big Pentagon
So, if a woman identifies as a man and joins the Navy, can (s)he go to BUD/S?
Better yet, can I be part of the Army Women’s Soccer team?
I am going to try for the men’s team but if I do not make it I will try for the women’s.
Give me a fucking break.
Glad I am out.
“Glad I am out.” The big fucking WORD for that Sir.
They will wash out in pre-training. PERIOD!
Betcha a bag of donuts!
Careful how you use that word “period”. You may give some poor tranny a microaggression boo-boo.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
(/sarc out)
I would assume so, but when the ranks open to women most likely candidate would be a MTF person who had been a man and had all the strength.
So is I was to magically be 18 again and self Identify as Transgender I could go to boot camp with Women,,, take showers with them…
I see a serious problem here…
It’s amazing just how much the oBaMa regime has accomplished in a handful of years. It is absolutely breathtaking. A dozen years ago, no state permitted gay marriage. Today, it’s a fundamental right. A mere half dozen years ago, military policy was Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Now we’re in tranny land. I am not at all surprised. Congratulations, America.
And crying Boehner and mumbles McConnell and the rest of congress just sit there.
I haven’t seen a gay infantryman yet. We have a few fags in our battalion, but they are all POGs.
And they really agravate me. One day, I will lose my cool with them and I will get kicked out of the Army, because any acts against faggots is considered a hate crime.
Wow, so much to take in. First 2.2% of men in the military are gay (3.2% of men in the general populace are gay). That percentage would mean that there are most likely gay infantryman. They just don’t say shit because they’d have to deal with people like you. I’m sure they find your antics equally “aggravating”. Whatever that means.
To your other point…no sh*t “Acts against Faggots” as you so kindly put it would certainly be deemed a hate crime. I’d say that “acting out” against any particular race/sex/religion is a damned hate crime and shouldn’t be tolerated. But I’m sure all the gay men and women WHO ARE SERVING IN OUR MILITARY are really scared for the day “you lose your cool” and “act against faggots”. The Army wouldn’t be losing jack squat if you got your ass kicked out – just a sad excuse. Care to clarify what “act against” means? I’m willing to bet it ain’t a handshake for brotherhood and friendship.
From ArmyTimes on the 8th July:
Defense Secretary Ashton Carter last week named Eric Fanning as acting Army undersecretary, making him the frontrunner to become Army Secretary and the first openly gay military service secretary.
A gay Secretary of the Army. Way to inspire the troops, Carter, Obama, et al.
And thanks for bringing this to our attention, tinkerbell.
O. K. Dollar Sign….so here’s the truth about the issue of having a gay or a tranny in a fox hole and a man has to fully trust and depend on the other person when the shit REALLY hits the fan. First off, the heterosexual has an innate expectation of his bunker mate not being to handle the hellish chaos of battle. All of us went through boot camp; those who were grunts, tankers, etc. (expected to see combat personally) were subjected to the closest example of what to expect in those situations. Problem is, REAL combat wakes one’s senses to levels never imagined, not even in the most difficult period of training. Nothing can prepare a man for all the unforgettable details which cause the heart to beat fast and strong as it never has before. The best they can draw from your gut during the different stages of preparing you is for one to become scared. There’s a BIG difference between being scared when you know there is no chance you will be killed and being deathly terrified when a bunch of enemy blabbering something you can’t understand are running toward you intent on killing you. You see Dollar Sign, we recognize how clearly emotional gays are to begin with. None of us want to be put in a situation where survival demands a man sometimes behaves like an animal just to survive. It’s called INSTINCT which is not recognized in gays by straight males. Nobody wants to have to be the test rabbit in this experiment.
IMO, if gays and trannies want to be in the military, let them start out in lessor roles, I. e. cooks, office pogues,,supply clerks etc. to first determine the military is really what they want to do with their lives.
All in all, most men do not see others able to kill and deal with being wounded at the same time. Regardless, you can not understand the challenges of combat, where there is no room for hysterics no matter how severe the very thought of surviving becomes.
I think it means, “a hand shake and a hearty GFY without any further delay” for drawing unwarranted and or inappropriate attention to oneself.
But what do I know …
Ya know what? I consider myself pretty old school, but you might just want to check yourself. Unless you’re just being a dick or having a bad day. Assaulting another service (person) will have a lot more repercussions than just being ‘kicked out’ of the Army. And check into that hate crime charge too. That’ll buttfuck your soul forever. I’m hoping you are just trolling. If not, then Fk off, D-Bag.
Western civilization is dying. And I don’t feel so good myself.
Imagine the confusion at PT test time, or weigh in. That’s just for starters.
Here are the new choices for MIL Forms:
1. Male
2. Female
3. Other (if other proceed to # 4)
4. Pre-Op Male
5. Pre-Op Female
6. Post-Op Male
7. Post-Op Female
8. Almost Completed New Male
9. Almost Completed New Female
10. Transexual
And then there is the alternate every other Tuesday or Thursday crowd where you don’t know if you are going to be dealing with Charlie or Charlette … That is a separate check list all together.
The days of everyone being equal maggots are over. We are now in the age of “Special snowflake.”
Here I just shortened the form:
1. Male
2. Female
3. None
3. Other (if Other, explain in box below).
Explanation (example): As a little 4 year old boy, I started playing with Barbie dolls, hosting make believe tea parties and grew to enjoy Broadway show tunes. My liberal parents thought that it was cute and encouraged my behavior, permitted me to dress like a girl and never told me to “man up”. So, here I am today!
Hey I thought, enjoying Broadway show tunes was cool!
No, no, Master Chief, it goes like this:
1 – Male
2 – Female
3 – Neither
4 – Both
Why not just pull out the old East German Olympic forms. Would save some time reinventing the wheel.
[ ] Male
[ ] Female
[ ] Profile
(explain required accommodations necessary under
the gender identity act)
11. Wookie
Because why stop at gender when you can move on to species?
Imagine the outcry from “original” women when the former male comes in and takes a PT test on the female scale – instant 300. Maxxes those cutoffs and I can see someone complaining about being beaten out by a few points unfairly. What happens when former females are graded on the male scale? Glad as hell I retired out – imagine the PITA headache for the poor PSG and PL :).
I was thinking the same thing. If I’m a male with an iffy APFT history, what’s to say that I don’t suddenly become a woman at PT time and go from a 180 to a 300 instantly/ If someone complains, I scream discrimination and file an EO complaint.
After some of the crap that I saw people do to shave a few seconds off a run, the scenario isn’t too far fetched.
Far cry from one SSG I had who would take a cigarette out and smoke it while maxing his run score
Someone above mentioned weigh-in. I would think a male taking a female PFT would have to meet those height/weight standards as well. And fail by genetics.
And America goes the way of the Roman empire.
Down the pipes.
In case you’ve forgotten history, sapper, the Roman Empire failed partly because the ruling class of wealthy Romans ate their meals off of lead dinnerware. And Roma itself, which was founded in abour 753BC, lasted until 476AD.
That’s something well over 1200 years. WE have hardly reached that point.
Yup archeologist’s can tell if person was wealthy or a slave by led traces in their bones.
And it is complete. The great social experiment is over. The military is now going to have gone from a place of pride and service to a place where the freaks all go to do as they please with no consequences.
Of course, they are going to study all of the wrong things. Housing, health care, blah, blah blah….What about war fighting and unit cohesion?
This will be the last straw. No self respecting American is going to want to serve in this deviant circus. We have turned the military over to the Social Justice Warriors.
Learn to speak Russian and Chinese friends. Or convert to Islam. Holy Fuck. I cannot believe this shit has happened in my life time.
While I will readily agree that this may create some issues for the military, I find it hard to believe that suddenly allowing transgender people -maybe 0.1% of the population?- to serve in the military is going to somehow magically destroy its reputation as a place of service and pride. And I’m pretty sure those very few people who identify as transgender and do serve aren’t going to be able to ‘do as they please with no consequences’.
Is this a change? Absolutely. And having a debate on things like unit cohesion, spending priorities, etc., is fine. But to think a small step like this suddenly reduces the military to a pathetic institution incapable of fighting and unworthy of pride is, in my opinion, a bit of a stretch.
Until a hugely disproportionate number of that 0.1% starts flocking to the military to get their sex change paid for by the defense budget and a 90% VA rating for life.
I think that’s incredibly unlikely — my guess is the cross-section of ‘military enlistees’ and ‘transgender people’ is relatively small, and I imagine certain private health care packages will cover this with less, ah, … danger than the military route.
I could be wrong, but my guess is this isn’t a realistic problem.
As of right now, I 100% agree with you. The “there are 15k transgenders in the military OMGZ” bullshit is just that. But once word gets out that enlistment equates to a free sex change surgery, not to mention that no recruiter or MEPS station will ever dare turn away a transgender recruit even if they are unfit to serve for a whole host of unrelated reasons….
Bottom line LC, the military is not the place to conduct social experiments to see who “fits” and who does not.
I don’t care how big the tranny population is. We seem to have stopped caring about warfighting on a national political level and seem more concerned with diversity at the expense of national security. And at the grass roots level, we recruit from a pool of young Americans whose families are going to have a BIG problem with their sons and daughters being exposed to lifestyles that they find deviant. You many say, “well, that is their problem” but this is going to affect recruiting and retention.
Beyond all of that, now commanders are going to have to deal with a whole new set of problems that will detract from mission accomplishment.
And you consider this a “small step”. This is a Grand Canyon sized leap. As a post earlier stated, there are a whole slew of mental health issues that come with transgender folks that the military does not have the time to deal with. is the military now going to fund surgery for pre op transsexuals? And all of the associated counseling? That probably won’t have any effect on manning.
I do grant, it is a small percentage that will even want to serve. But Pandora’s Box, once opened will be tough to close. The service is dealing with BIG problems from allowing open homosexual service.
I don’t disagree with what you say, but to me this is less of a ‘social experiment’ and more of putting the military in line with what’s expected of any other governmental institution. Now, I know the military isn’t ‘any other’ institution, but how as a society do we say rules of equality apply everywhere but the military?
In terms of warfighting capability, this may not help, I agree, at least in the short term… but I think the negative effect of this is far, far less than, say, the negative effect of weapons procurement processes. We have massively over-budget weapons platforms that barely do the job they’re supposed to and are thus a more direct threat to our military capabilities and, in all likelihood, translate to a greater risk of lost lives. And there’s no valid reason for that, whereas there is a (societal) good reason for not discriminating against people based on sexuality.
I’ll tackle the mental issues correlated with transgender people below, but the short version is we of course weed out the ones with mental issues. Transgender and body dysmorphia (the mental issue) are separate but related things.
Any time the military has had to change – allowing women, blacks, whatever – there has been upheaval, and every time the military has managed to deal with it. I think this is a generational issue – the younger generations have far less of an issue than the older ones. Again, if we are discussing the problems of retention with old, experienced hands while engaged in war I fully agree that there is a problem there. In time, though, I expect the military will adjust, just as society is doing, and will function fine.
That’s my two cents. I’m not a veteran, but I know plenty of people who are, and in my experience the attitudes towards gays shift remarkably depending on age. Transgender lags behind that, but I think it’ll catch up.
MyGySgtRet is spot on. And while he and have served, i retired 14 days ago, I can absolutely assure you recruiting and retention will suffer dramatically. Maybe not in the aggregate, but the aggregate aren’t door kickers, and door kickers will NOT enlist. Take a very serious look at where our military installations are (conservative areas or otherwise Bible belt). Men from these areas do not want to be around what they believe is socially deviant behavior, nevermind their personal “bigoted” views. Ergo, your military is weakened.
The larger concern I have (which I think I may have stated some time in the past) is what I’ll call the medical effect. There are multiple types of transsexuals – and I don’t mean in the MTF vs FTM sense, but rather in how they get to where they’re going. These days, someone can claim to be undergoing reassignment (gender reassignment is what they call it) with a LOT of different ways of purportedly getting to their destination.
So there are people out there who ‘identify’ as the opposite sex but never take any actual steps other than dressing as the opposite sex and choosing a new name. There are people who undergo hormone therapy – men taking estrogen and other hormones, women taking testosterone, etc (and these hormone therapies do usually have negative side effects because you’re pumping hormones through a body which wasn’t originally built for them). There are people who go part or all the way through the surgery. ALL of them are starting – by the statistics – at a heightened risk for many health issues, both physical and mental. The suicide rates among transgenders are said to be stupidly high, and the long-term negative health profiles are also stupendous – they’re at greater risk not only for depression but for diabetes, cancer, etc, etc, etc.
Please don’t misunderstand me. This isn’t a propaganda piece for or even against. What I’m trying to say is: I am highly dubious about accepting into the military a group of people with such substantial risk profiles for mental and physical health and with such a heightened suicide risk. And that’s without even getting into the problem of treating them with the already too-often dysfunctional VA system should they make it through.
I completely agree that there are a host of problems here… but I also think the government has to try. The military, for better or worse, is a part of the government, and the government cannot say you are not allowed to discriminate against transgender folk,.. and then discriminate against them.
Now, if they fail requirements on psych evals, tough luck. They don’t get a free pass on that. And while the statistics on mental health are damning, I view it a bit like the statistics on obesity — let’s just pick a number like, oh, 35%. I’m picking it not based on anything I know, but rather because it’s the adult obesity rate of people in Missouri. Should the military not consider people from Missouri because the have a high probability of being obese? Or should they be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and accepted or denied based on their individual health? I feel the same should apply, even if the testing is somewhat less clear, to mental health.
Those of us that warned about this, back when the merits of allowing openly gay types to serve, were told we were homophobes, bigots, neanderthals, etc. We were told that gays just want to serve as equals with no special rights or privileges. There was no “slippery slope”, which we said would happen. Yeah; how’s that workin’ out?
Yep, fellow dinosaur. Yep.
I don’t see this as a slippery slope issue – I see it as two different (and valid) perspectives on the same issue.
From the liberal/idealistic perspective, this is about granting people equal opportunities to serve their country. A person who identifies as a straight male and a person who identifies as transgender are both still people and should be allowed the same opportunity, since to do otherwise is discrimination, and we’re better than that as a society. If they have the mental and physical abilities to do the job as an individual then they shouldn’t be disallowed from that opportunity based on traits that don’t impact their ability as an individual. No special privileges, but no discrimination either.
From the conservative/practical side of things, people are looking at the this not as a matter of individual ability, but the overall capability of the military and different units therein. The focus is on how adding one different and not fully-accepted person into a group will change the dynamics for the worse, and in a role where lives are on the line.
In my opinion, both of these stances have value.
Your fundamental flaw is in identifying military service as an opportunity – it is a privilege you have to earn by getting through all your training and serving without serious incidents for which you can be fired. It is not open to people with seriously debilitating medical or mental conditions because they will waste our time and money not qualifying. You phrase it like someone is entitled to serve regardless of whatever physical or mental condition they may be in. Different orientation.
Or maybe I just have a different take on military service.
My phrasing may have been in error, and I think perhaps we’re arguing semantics — the opportunity to get through the training and serve should be the same. Much in the same way that the opportunity to go to school and learn should be the same for all, but how well you do in school will impact what opportunities / privileges you have in terms of higher education.
I certainly don’t feel anyone is ‘entitled’ to serve based on whatever physical or mental condition, but I do feel that someone of sound mental and physical condition should have the same opportunity/privilege as anyone else, regardless of sexual identity.
I’m all for disallowing people with mental conditions to serve, but I’d point out that transgender and gender dysphoria are two different things. Not all transgender people have mental issues, and those who don’t should have the same opportunity to prove their worth and serve their country if they pass the physical and mental tests required.
LC = Lars
Lars, the Concerned Troll.
Just STFU and crawl back under your Libtard rock.
That is all. Out.
I’m not Lars, and not trolling. I just have a slightly different point of view than most of the others on here, and I find sometimes discussing these sorts of things gives me a better understanding of the issues.
No problem if you vehemently disagree with me.
Rawr.
4 Words:
1. This
2. is
3. getting
4. werid!
At first, behavior such as homosexuality and transgenderism were banned, then you could be one, just don’t talk about it, then it was OK to be a homosexual, lesbian or trans, now it’s encouraged. Will it be mandatory before the Community Surrender Organizer leaves office?
Wow.
Seriously. There should be no excuse now for cutting pay, VA benefits, or anything at this point.
Prioirties are so fucked up it’s not funny.
Amen, Jonn, on your words. If the Pentagon is gonna fund this tranny go ahead and serve, they need to keep their word and give us what we are due.
What has happened to my country?
It’s still here. The lumps of detritus are finally floating to the top.
i hope that someone skimms the top real soon before we can’t get to the water anymore.
.3% Of the population, that is who they are bending over to. Less than 1 freaking percent..
Let’s forget the reams of medical documentation of “Gender Dysmorphia” being accompanied by higher than normal rates of suicide, intentional disfigurement, and other mental health issues that would preclude an individual from Enlistment.
Let’s just ignore that even the transgender Community has come out with studies saying the overwhelming majority of them are nucking futs…
Unfreezing believable…
“Equality” and “Diversity” trump all common sense.
General Jenner says quit yer bitchin’ and get back to work!!!
The only reason he rear ended thar car is because he was having tranny problems.
The absolute essential element to transforming a society is to destroy its institutions, to render them unrecognizable. Tradition is the enemy of progressives and has been (and continues to be) their target. Altering or destroying institutions ensures that those who follow the progressives in the current regime cannot reverse course. And that’s why marriage, the military, the pending attacks on religious holdings, and even the Confederate flag fiasco, have mattered. It has always been about destroying tradition and dismantling institutions. oBaMa has a perma-woody. He has won.
Gays serving openly I could handle.
Women in Combat Arms, I was at least willing to conduct the experiments and see what came of it.
This I cannot handle.
No longer is the military about fighting wars, it is about pushing social agendas, therefore forcing the American public to follow suit. We have lost our way, the last bastion of rational thought and merit has been destroyed.
I am done, I cannot continue in this. My EAS will come in 1 year, and I will leave. Two years short of retirement.
Gotta stick around for that last two – you’ll kick yourself in the ass down the line if you don’t. Believe me, the BS gets a little more bearable when you read about it after retirement.
“Gays serving openly I could handle.”
Yep, there are very good reasons and sentiments for supporting that, I suppose, and there are the very same good reasons and sentiments for supporting trannies openly serving. How do you differentiate between the two? Once you support one, how can you not support the other? I am truly curious.
Off the top of my head I would worry about performance and the potential to fail at something critical and hurt the team.
Well, you see, it’s all about allowing the ‘different’ among us the same opportunity to serve the country. What matters is whether the chick with the dick can do the job required of its MOS. Unit cohesion, uniformity, and morality are old-school concepts that have no place in today’s military. Get with the program. Here, have another glass of Kool-Aid. You sound llike you need it.
I practiced that opportunity to serve with the soldiers I knew in OIF and OEF equally – a size 13 in the ass if you didn’t do what you were told. Now I get to be a cantankerous retiree talking about the Good Old Days :).
What matters is whether the chick with a dick is genuine or some predator trying to get into the women’s quarters.
Gays were never a problem. With homosexuals it is pretty clear cut, a dude that likes dudes, or a chick who likes chicks. In the end,their sexual preference did not change anything, they knew who they were and so did we.
When it comes to transgenders, a whole lot of baggage comes with it. A girl trapped in a guys body? How do I refer to that individual? What standards to we hold them to, male or female? What uniform regs are they required to follow? Should the military pay for hormone therapy? If they enlisted as a male/female, and then decide to change genders or whatever, do we change the standards? What if they decide they want to keep their penis, but get boobs, what are they? Male or female? Do we have seperate billeting just for them?
We can also talk about the psychological issues they bring, anybody who feels they are a certain gender trapped in another gender are not normal. There are issues that they will have to deal with, medications that many take. As was mentioned earlier, suicide rates for transgenders are significantly higher than the Cis population. Why do we want to bring that into the military?
That is why I draw the line here. I may not have agreed directives that came before, but I could also understand what was going on, this I cannot.
There are way too many issues with this, too many questions and not enough answers.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you wrote. Gays and transgenders aren’t even in the same ballpark. I’ve served with gay soldiers. No issues. I’m glad I retired so I won’t have to deal with the transgenders and the issues they bring with them.
You know, there is a mountain of stuff that was written about gays in the military that was 100% against their serving. You name it and someone wrote it or said it. Hell, just the fact that the psychiatric club regarded being gay as a mental illness was sufficient to be against gays in the military. That view changed but, still, gays were not permitted in the military. Some were flighty and swishy. Others were going to have hard-ons in the bay showers. You name it. So, now, that’s all behind us. Gays are welcome and it is taboo to disparage men who screw other men in the ass. It’s the new normal. Well, recent history is repeating itself, only this time around it’s transgenders and this time around there is little debate. Next will be dog boinkers, I guess. After all, if the dog screwer can do his job, what difference does it make? It’s all good. So, jump on board the transformation train. It cannot be stopped now anyway.
Put your head down, keep your mouth shut and get your last two years. Don’t let the assholes cheat you out of what you earned.
I hear you Master Guns, but I am not going to lie, this is something that is going to be difficult. I grew up in the liberal Northwest, so I can accept a lot of things that shock my Southern parents, but this is pushing it for me. I hate to stand by and watch my beloved Corps, the last organization that seemed to focus almost entirely on combat effectiveness, be ridden into the ground. I watched it happen to the Army, and it saddened me as I saw good soldiers struggle to find their place in an organization that pretty much turned their back on them, because they didn’t toe the party line. Now the Marine Corps is finally caving. I got to admit, it’s hard.
I just put in a package that if goes through, would allow me to easily go to 30 or further, but I may decline it.
Listen to the Master Guns. Suck it up for two more years, and concentrate on mentoring the next generation the best you can. I popped smoke at 23 years. At one time I was gung-ho to make them force me to retire at 30.5. But, yea. Shit changes. It was time for me to go. At least get the twenty in. You WILL regret not doing that eventually. And you’ll still be on TAH and the MGuns and myself will mess with you daily.
While I applaud your integrity, two years will go by quickly and not completing 20 will affect you the rest of your life. Stick with it, don’t slack just because policy is goofy as hell, and start focusing on life beyond the military.
NOW is a good time to decide what you want to be when you grow up and be prepared for when you do transition to civilian life.
Discretion can be the better part of valor, so be a good leader and continue to mentor your subordinates. I’ve never fully agreed with everything that’s been directed over the years, but I always upheld my NCO creed.
I will never dishonor my responsibilities as a SNCO and leader. Those are something that I hold very close to my heart, and my Marines will always come first. I was deeply involved in the recent experiements with women in the combat arms, training them at the entry level. None of them were treated any different by me, in the end they were my Marines and they deserved the same training and leadership that my male Marines did. I hear your advice and that of the MGuns, and I will probably go to retirement regardless, if there is still a retirement to look forward to…
Use the prin of “Loyal Dissent” and you will be fine.
Don’t compromise “Core Values”!
Never …
And we wonder why the U.S. has become a target throughout the world. Of course this morning the Iranians are laughing their ass off. Or maybe that’s the strategy. Our enemies will die laughing.
OMG … The new VA forms, can you imagine all the choices for SEX, was MALE or FEMALE that difficult?
Would you like fries with that?
We already are catering to the Transgender community here, and if this goes through you can be assured we will be paying for far more than just counseling.
As they talk about shutting down VA hospitals and furloughs of employees, we have been seeing a huge expansion in programs for the LGBT community, and every other “you’re a racist/bigot/etc.. group”. Instead of treating veterans, we are becoming a reactionary organization more concerned with the political correctness du jour, than Quality of Care.
The good of a few outweighs the good of the many.
Way to go!
Bullshit. My needs come first. Period.
I don’t to hear one fuckin’word about veterans committing suicide from this administration or the Pentagon ever again.
They are now allowing the demographic with one of the highest suicide rates in the country to join.
Also, what are we going to those who weren’t able to deploy because of their meds requirement, when Joe or Joey are getting hormonal treatments. God, I hate the fucking leaders of this military right now.
I am still trying to figure out how this improves the combat effectiveness of the military. Are we short of recruits in the middle of downsizing? Is there a right to serve that I am unaware of? All rhetorical questions.
If a person has a set of D-cups and a dick, would they live in the male barracks, female barracks, or would they have to have a new barracks for these special little snowfucks?
Well, they are NOT living in MINE.
Biggest cup size or biggest dick gets to call the show tune in the squad bay? DOD better figure this shit out…. could be a cat fight.
Yeah, but a cat fight with a dick in the middle of it, too.
The evidence is clear that people who are not satisfied with their gender (gender dysphoria) have deep, painful emotional problems that make them volatile.
Untreated, they are at higher risk of suicide. Treated, they are at higher risk of suicide. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
Indeed, Johns Hopkins University, which pioneered gender reassignment surgery, dropped the treatment as ineffective.
http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/08/15/transgenderism-is-a-psychiatric-disorder-its-sufferers-need-therapy-not-surgery/
Experience has shown that indulging this delusion is not in the patient’s best interest.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
I thought the purpose of the US military was to accomplish certain sorts of missions, not act as a social safety net for needy, not-wholly-functional persons.
Not just that, some say up to forty percent of those that undergo surgery end up regretting it, and now there are Surgeons that perform “reversal” surgery:
http://www.sexchangeregret.com/
It’s fucked up no matter what.
So, does the original wienie get frozen for later use, if the previous owner isn’t happy?
Hey! You have a great idea for a new business. Cryogenic Weiners, Inc. – aka Frozen Bananas.
Veteran owned and supplied.
Also brings whole new meaning to “freezing my nuts off” or “blue balls”.
Can’t speak for the female side of things…
There’s always money in the banana stand!
Damifino, I have no idea of what they do to reverse a “snip & tuck” job.
I’m just going to look at my ‘girls’ tonight and tell them how much I love them and that they never have to leave home.
I cannot imagine wanting to be other than who/what I am.
I read some of those stories. I am appalled that anyone in medicine thinks it’s ethical to give children hormone blockers, period. If that isn’t malpractice, I don’t know what it is.
But more important, those reports from people who went through these changes and then reverses make it quite clear that the problem is a mental one, and that they are deeply miserable and unhappy with themselves and who they are. All the chemicals and surgery in the world will NOT change that.
You have to be happy with who you are as a human being. If you can’t solve that problem ahead of all of this, no amount of physiological chemistry or surgery will fix it for you. You will still be you.
So glad I am out,(of the Corps that is). How does this help us kill our enemies better? I think a tranny has other things on his or hers mind than going to boot camp/basic training, like do I really wanna keep my dick. Worst POTUS in history.
If I start wearing the dress…..do I have to shave? If I refuse to get a haircut do I get a Transgender Chit? Can I use the same Chit to wear ear rings? If I haven’t the balls to totally commit to change, do I get to mix and match the uniforms? I never liked the Cunt Cover anyway.
With a fag about to take over the Army and the Marines getting rid of any Women that act like they have balls, I would say they are preparing the battlefield effectively.
Richard Simmons will probably take over close contact training. Shipley can take over the Marine Corps Band, he kinda looks like Liberace’s little brother anyway.
Now that we have a Humanist Chaplain coming they can all share their feelings in a safe environment without the condemnation of rotting in Hell.
Of course if a female wants to take testosterone we might actually have one pass the Marine Officers Infantry Course.
It’s a wonderful world ladies and gentleman…..oh sorry for the offense…..I meant to say, It’s a wonderful world no matter how you identify.
Semper Smartass
Be all (the genders) you can be.
Damn, I missed that. Losing my edge. I will try to make up for it.
ARMY STRONG… WITHOUT THE DONG
Dammit, Dave, will you PUH-LEEZE remember to post spew alerts occasionally?
I just closed the deal to purchase the rights to manufacture the Costanza Manzier.
I figure the first batch of twinks to hit supply need to be outfitted properly. Got to be money in this.
I already secured the rights to this, so act now before its too late. Remember to mail your investment before midnight so you dont forget.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Durable-New-Female-Traval-Outdoor-Soft-SiliconeUrination-Device-Stand-Up-Pee/32304644619.html
Supply and demand….I love this country.
There’s already two products ahead of that, the Go-Girl and the She-Wee.
Nothing new here.
Hey, if some guy wants his dick chopped off, I have a meat cleaver and a cutting board, and there’s a guy up the street with a hungry pit bull.
Damn, I got scooped on that one. Another piss poor performance.
Ok, how about a new treat for pit bulls called Kibbles and Dicks.
Kibbles and Naughty Bites?
It puts a whole new spin on the idea of a wiener roast, doesn’t it?
Have you thought of t-shirts? Bumper stickers?
I’m thinking cadence calls here:
“I want to be a transgendered Ranger”…
“I want to prance like a twink after Prada”
“With a fag about to take over the Army…”
Are you referring to GEN Milley? Didn’t know he was gay, not that there is anything wrong with that.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/08/fanning-favorite-to-become-army-secretary-and-first-gay-service.html?comp=7000023317843&rank=1
I think Jonn might have a shy blatter cause he hasn’t become pissy about it.
I’m just trying to choose my battles.
They are not going to be happy until the military is just another Federal handout job with preset hiring quotas for every race/sex/disability they can think of to make service “fair”. I hope I don’t live to see the day this freakshow goes to war.
Sir, I’m sure I speak for all the men when I say that we’d follow you anywhere… uh, well… just not into the bathroom.
Does the service have to pay for sex change operations? They can be expensive so I can see people flocking to the services to get that paid for.
What? No, you say? All they have to do is say that is cruel and unusual punishment and someone will file the lawsuit.
Think Manning. A convicted military criminal getting treatments IN PRISON. So of course you can join up and get free treatment. And since you are completely messed up to start with, end up with PTSD in the military and get 100% VA disability when you get out. Of course you can’t get discharged because you will need to spend your four years of Active Duty getting treatments first.
Can’t wear a white t-shirt on liberty because of supposed image. Can wear a dress as a man….
The United States military. Just another jobs program for votes.
1 – Stay the hell out of my bathroom.
2 – If trannies can join up, why can’t old ladies? I have rights, too!
LC = Lars
Lars, the Concerned Troll.
Just STFU and crawl back under your Libtard rock.
That is all. Out.
They’re not the same person, dumb dumb.
What about midgets? There’s a height limitation? What? That’s singling out a segment of the population. I’m sure they can perform admirably in certain positions.
Drop all restrictions and open the flood gates.
So is it safe to declare that all rules and regulations regarding appearance are null and void in the US military now?
No. Women with mustaches must wear them neatly trimmed. Sideburns are still not allowed. Short men with big asses must still wear pants that have been properly tailored to accommodate their excess gluteal mass.
At least I can see some positive attributes to this change. Let’s just say you are a dude, have a vagina and big ol’ titties installed…..how easy would it be when somebody tells you to go fuck yourself?
Me, too. Now if I see some guy I’m not attracted to, I will know why: he stuffs.
Yowzai Yowzai Yowzai, let the freak show begin…
Combat Historian
(thankfully retired from the U.S. Armed Forces since 2012)
I’m trying to come up with something positive in regard to this mandate (and that IS what it is), and the best I could do is that, when we humans get out there in space and start occupying other planets and dealing with other species that may or may not look like us, how we will be able to tell male from female?
And what if a species has four different sex categories?
Or clones itself to reproduce?
What if, the only way you can tell male from female is that the females are bi-colored and the males are monocolored?
What if the females transfer an embryo to a male prior to terminus?
The possibilities, you see, are endless.
We must be prepared to deal with all possibilities.
Whoa there EX-PH2…You are setting a precedent for inter-planetary profiling.
I know. But I did leave out the part about nesting and laying eggs.
Just send in James T. Kirk. He NEVER had any trouble figuring out which ones were female.
Oh, that takes me back.
I can’t wait until we have a hermaphrodite as the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff because then they can Go FUCK Themselves.
/srsly.
I haven’t read all the comments, so someone has probably said this already, but here goes.
I see a lot of trannies joining who haven’t finished the snipping process and they’ll use the military to get the operation for free.
Then they’ll either bail at the end of their four or agitate for a general discharge.
100 comments so soon? Moerk cannot cut and paste fast enough.
Sometimes the simplest explanation really is the best choice. Like, whatever your DNA says you are, that’s what you are. Confused about it? Well, good luck with that. Want to be something other than what you are? Depending on your aspirations, go for it, but don’t expect the rest of us to accommodate or pay for your confusion.
Meanwhile, it is understandable that in years past parents who birthed hermaphrodites had agonizing decisions to make with very little science to help them. That is no longer the case. Other than those folks, I have little to no sympathy for those who decide to mutilate themselves.
There are good reasons why most cultures consider those who self mutilate mentally unstable and those who mutilate others criminals.
This is a bit of tangent, and not fully relevant to the integration of transgender people into the military, but a number of cultures don’t view sexual identity as binary. Look up the fa’afafine from Samoa, or several examples from American Indian tribes. Here’s a link about general ‘third gender’ issues and prevelance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
I knew nothing of this until a very interesting conversation with a Samoan some years back, and even then it took a while to make sense. Yes, our sexual organs may be binary, but identity is less so.
Maybe it’s a bit like how we identify ‘crippled’ people – lose a leg and you’re technically a cripple, I guess. But if we attach some prosthetic, even though it’s not your natural body, you’re able to move about and do amazing things, and maybe that binary cripple / not crippled view gets more varied?
Most village idiots don’t choose to be the village idiot. Look who volunteered to be ours. Again.
Sick call is going to get down right strange.
Just imagine all the profile/malingers on stay back duty during a deployment. Or trying to find the correct gender Meat Gazer for a urinalyses test.
How come nobody else has asked the most obvious question:
Which class A uniform will they wear, male or female? Or will there be a new TG uniform? Male jacket worn with a skirt?
Maybe Private Snuffy can get out of being punished for having his hair out of reg by saying he “identifies as a female” on the day the 1sg catches him with his hair over his ears. Would also work on PT test day.
5 Choices:
1. Class A “Predecisional”
2. Class A “Pre-Op”
3. Class A “Post-Op”
4. Class A “Complete Male to Female”
5. Class A “Complete Female to Male”.
Simple …
My biggest complaint, seriously, is that while the civilians in DOD are risking shoulder injuries patting themselves on the back about how “inclusive” the military is becoming, it will be the task of the 1st line leaders to figure out how to make this work under a nearly impossible set of arbitrary rules.
Okay, trannies will be able to serve. If surgical alteration is something that they intend to do, it is elective, not mandatory (e.g., surgery to remove shrapnel) and has nothing to do with military service.
It is definitely a choice that can be postponed, or taken care of ahead of enlisting. It is and should be an out-of-pocket expense paid for by the so-called patient.
As a taxpayer, I object to my taxes being used to support this kind of thing. It is ELECTIVE, not something that is medically required. Since statistics show that the people who engage in surgical alterations are frequently unhappy, they should be required to stay ‘as is’ until their enlistment is completed. And if their issues are not resolved before they enlist, they should be denied admittance to the military.
That’s all I have to say about that.
That, and stay the hell out of my bathroom.
Just think of the recruiter’s sales pitch’s. Just sign your name on the line its four years and a free chop job of your choice and the G.I Bill.
That’s incorrect.
If you want elective surgery in the military, you have to pay for it. As I said, it isn’t like having shrapnel removed or battle scars repaired.
It is cosmetic surgery by choice, NOT related to your service. You still have to pay for it, even if the VA agrees to do it.
Manning, that whiny asshole now in jail, may get his hormone prescriptions, but his ‘condition’ is NOT service-related, and since he was a bad boy, when he leaves jail, he still won’t get the surgery.
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So…are we going to start letting people join with known mental issues? What if they want to join and they have a learning disability?
Um, Josh, this does exactly that.
Learning disabilities? Oh, we have a unit for that:
http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-deploys-very-special-forces-to-iraq-645
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Sure, you people, it’s all fun and games until you see SGT Mike in fishnet stockings and a jacked-up dress one Friday night dancing with LT Pete.
And here I thought standards actually meant something.
So glad I have this DD-214 blanket that keeps me safe from all the bullshit.
If it aint tranny we aint training!
T-Shirt will be out soon
Bung-ho!
I don’t know why everybody’s got their panties in a wad about trannies in the military when it’s obvious they’re already serving openly.
Just look at all the ball-less wonders on the JCS
Although I have both gay and lesbian friends who have served, I don’t have a transgender one.
Knowing that they keep the secret to themselves was correct.
Transgender is a whole different story. They shouldn’t be allowed to serve, either pre op, post op whatever because it fucks with the minds of the men/women they serve with. If I’m wrong, what else can I say?
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