IVAW goofuses to throw away “medals” in Chicago
Greg Broseus says “They’re my medals. I earned them. I can do whatever I want with them” so he’s going to throw them at NATO. Or something. I’m sure NATO would love to get their hands on that Army Achievement Medal or his ArGreg Broseusmy Service Ribbon (yes, at least three of those awards in this rack aren’t medals at all, but service ribbons);
His purpose?
“Just to let NATO know that, as the troops, the people that are sent to fight these wars … we don’t agree with them,” Broseus says.
Yeah, because that will terrify NATO.
Broseus says an enemy bullet struck his Humvee. It brought him way too close to becoming a casualty of a war effort he didn’t condone.
But now he’s made peace with the gunman he’s never met — a lesson of war.
“If I could meet that person today, I would want to sit down and drink tea with them and talk to them about their experience,” Broseus says.
And he’d want to saw your head off on camera, so you have something in common, doncha?
“They’re putting the bombs out there because we’re there. So, the best way for us to get rid of the bombs is to just not be there,” Broseus says.
Yep, even though we were trying to help Iraqis build their country from scratch and a few were trying to seize power without the will of the people, we should have just let the thugs take over.
Broseus and other veterans making a similar protest hope they’ll be able to hand over their medals to a NATO representative. If not, they say they will throw them over the fence that surrounds the highly fortified summit site.
Which NATO representative will mollify you, Broseus? And how long will it take you to order replacements from Ranger Joe’s with a couple of extras? Broseus was smart enough to not have a profile on IVAW website, I wonder why?
Thanks to Art for the link. I moved the video below the link because it was slowing down the front page;
Category: Iraq Veterans Against the War
No Good Conduct Medal…and why no Oak Leaf on his ARCOM, I would imagine he would get one for his tour?
He’s got two ribbons/medals above the NDSM? I think I had something like 6-7, and I was nowhere near a “shooting war”.
And an enemy bullet striking your Humvee? Try driving through South Central LA any given night. You’ll think Iraq was a cakewalk.
Interestingly enough, I notice I could not find Greg on AKO.
Also, the bottom three are State ribbons I believe, while the middle one of the second row is a Reserve/NG Component service medal with “M” device.
So the break down is ARCOM w/ V, AAM, National Defense Ribbon, Iraqi Campaign, GWOT Service, Reserve Service w/ M, Army Service, and then 3 state awards.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that means no Good Conduct and no NCOES.
Well isn’t this special.
***yawn***
I guess they are trying to mimick what John F-ing Kerry did (did you know he served in Vietnam?). That’s fine, they can do whatever they want to make themselves feel better. I don’t care and I’m sure the folks at the NATO summit care less than I do.
See MAN TRANSLATION below:
Broseus says an enemy bullet struck his Humvee. It brought him way too close to becoming a casualty of a war effort he didn’t condone.
MAN TRANSLATION: I am a pussy. A lot of things scare me rather than act as a character building experience. I am afraid of tall buildings, fire-crackers, people with deep voices, large crowds, sparklers, loaded BB guns, and yellow taxi cabs … yes … they scare me like clowns do. Further, rather than kill or capture the enemy, I would be more than pleased to sit down and have tea and biscuits with them and learn about their interesting lives, careers, families, and wishes for a better world. Rather than savor the truly important times of my life, I am willing to sacrifice those moments to be part of something “so called” bigger. In addition, I am willing to trade honor for 3 minutes of fame … and risk getting arrested for it as well.
The bottom left is the Over Seas Ribbon. The bottom right seems to be a training ribbon that was used by several states. The middle one looks like a NATO medal I think. Also it should be noted the difference in price between the medal and a ribbion. The ARCOM medal is about 17 dollars, the ribbon a 1.25.
http://www.usamilitarymedals.com/army-commendation-medal-p-13.html?gclid=CLXllJm1grACFXQeQgodt1DlUA
He’s a reservist, and the medal with the “M” device, I believe, is a mobilization medal. Or ribbon, not sure which. The two lowest, I don’t know. Reserves don’t get the same Good Conduct Medal as active duty, so maybe one of those is the USAR or ANG GCM.
What a badass. He has seen – some – shit! A bullet hit his humve??? Holy fuck! I have to say, that’s fuckin hardcore. I bet he has a tattoo that says, “Only the dead have seen the end of war”!
This dude reminds me of that other fool Matthis who claimed that after seven days of life in Afghanistan, probably in BAF or JAF, he had seen shocking things that changed him. I still can’t figure out what about seeing the Pizza Hut, the haji shops, and badass chow halls changes your life.
NATO: “Come at me, Broseus!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_Reserve_Medal
Armed Forces Reserve Medal “M” for Mobilization
Guard (unless AGR) don’t get the GCM. There is an equivalent ( Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal) but we tend to be spotty in our issuance of those. Not defending him but not unusual to see neither of those on a Guardsman’s rack.
I had 3 machine gun rounds hit my vehicle 2 weeks ago. Personally, I’d like to hunt the son of a bitch down and feed him his testicles, but if Ranger Joe here wants to go hug it out with this asshat, I’ll help spring for the ticket.
@Daniel: You can get the GCM on say a Title-10 Tour or while overseas.. just have to be on Active Duty as a Reservist to get it. There is a reserve component version for attending all annual training and drills, however.
What a f**king pussy. I think he needs a group hug and a bitch slap.
You know I think the channel 2 reporter is just as bad as him. The banner on the video should say “dishonoring medals”. Of course they have to throw in the PTSD too!
Oh yea..@#6 add cute puppies to the list. And “I am willing to trade honor for 3 minutes of fame” Says it all.
RLTW
As MCPO observed, the middle ribbon second row from top is the ribbon for the Armed Forces Reserve Medal w/M device.
SIGO is also correct. If called to Federal active duty, RC soldiers who serve on active duty for between 1 and 3 years are eligible to receive the Army Good Conduct Medal, provided it’s their first AGCM and they serve the full period for which they were called to active duty. He probably should rate that.
Left to right, the bottom row are (1) Overseas Service Ribbon; (2) NATO Medal or UN Peacekeeping Medal (Lebanon/Palestine) – they’re very similar but are a somewhat different shade of blue; and (3) unidentified and probably an Ohio state ARNG decoration (Broseus was in the OH ARNG).
I’m confused by that NATO/UN Peacekeeping Medal (Lebanon/Palestine), though. He’s obviously not authorized the UN Peacekeeping Medal (Lebanon/Palestine), so it must be the NATO medal.
While it’s possible that his NATO medal is legit, I’d personally kinda like to know how Broseus got it. Simply serving in Iraq is a NO GO for that one. Getting the NATO medal was actually rather rare for service in Iraq – you had to serve in support of one of the two NATO training organizations, NTIM-I or NTM-I, for 30 days between 18 Aug 2004 and 31 Dec 2011 to qualify. If you didn’t serve in support of those two NATO missions, you don’t qualify for the NATO medal for service in Iraq.
Most commonly the NATO medal has been awarded to Army personnel who served in either Afghanistan or in a handful of operations in the Med/Balkans. And I don’t see any ribbons indicating he served in either the Balkans or Afghanistan Campaign Medal on his rack.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/NATO%20Medal
Looks like I’ll have to see if I can find enough info for a FOIA on this guy.
So I guess the first question for this dumbass is “since when was Iraq a NATO sanctioned conflict?”
Also, does anyone believe that the round that he showed with the bullet stuck through it was anything other than a prop? A round hits the belt on your gun and just sticks in one of the shells? Really?
Anyway-dumbass can do whatever he wants, but how credulous are the members of the media when it suits them?
Hondo-according to US Medals, that last one is the basic training ribbon from Ohio.
Heck this guy may toss them, but I bet they will still be hanging on his wall or somewhere else. And he will still list them on his resume or a job application. What a DW.
Also, it looks like the blue ribbon is another Ohio ribbon for “faithful service”.
So will this turd refuse his GI Bill benefits? I know in good conscience he can’t go to the VA for health benefits. After all what he did was wrong and therefore he should not profit from it. While we are at it shouldn’t he reimburse the government all the pay he received while in uniform? He could send it to Iraq and help ease the suffering of sunni victims or was it shiite victims?
Why oh why does the media pander to these fools?! How about telling the story of my buddy Mark who was a turret gunner on a Hummvee. He did his tour. He put together a package to go active and becam a SWCC operator. It helped that he came to the Seabees from active duty Marine Corps Recon. Mark realized that there are more enemies out there trying to hurt Americans. He took things to the bad guys so we could be safe here at home. Why doesn’t CBS tell his story?
68W58 – I believe I read that the NATO medal was announced to be authorized for US personnel supporting for two specified NATO operations sometime in 2009. Those two operations are the NATO Training Mission – Iraq (NTM-I) and NATO Training Implementaiton Mission – Iraq (NTIM-I). But the NATO medal was only authorized for personnel participating in those two NATO missions in Iraq – NOT for all personnel who served in Iraq.
In contrast, since 31 July 2006 virtually all US forces in Afghanistan have been designated as being there in support of ISAF, and thus qualify for the NATO medal.
Don’t all ICM’s require at least one Campaign Star?
Did y’all learn nothing from JF “I was in ‘Nam” sKerry? It doesn’t matter what the “medals” are or even to whom they might have been awarded. Heck, it doesn’t even matter what sort of discharge you got because it can always be changed later. When it suits your purpose.
I remember it like it was yesterday, man. Our squad had pulled patrol duty and as usual, I was stuck on point. We crossed some open terrain, passed an abandoned truck on blocks and that’s when we took a shitload of enemy small-arms fire. They threw everything at us…nothing but streaks of orange and yellow everywhere. I turned to yell at Timmy, but it was too late. He took one right between the eyes and knocked his cover clean off. I liked to have never gotten that suction cup off his forehead before his mama saw it. That’s the last time we sneak up on the Johnson kids with their fancy ass Nerf repeaters. The horror…the horror.
SPC Jesse Greg “Naytoe” Broseus
122st Backyard Infantry Combat Brigade Team
South Falujah, Ohio
No GCM, thats all I need to know about this Douchenozzles service
Getting your HMMV shot is a big factor in IVAW – Adam Kokesh got a Navy Commendation Medal because his vehicle got shot once, too.
Now if he want’s to do something effective, he should wish in one hand and shit in the other…and see which fills up faster. I got shot at one time with an AK (you can tell the sound they make) and we didn’t have any thing between us…and the fucker missed. I thanked Allah that that dipshitinsurgent skipped “AK shooting 101” when he went through insurgent AIT. I think I’ll hang onto my medals and ribbons…they kind of look pretty. Most I got for just being somewhere and not getting any article 15’s.
Hondo-I didn’t know that there was any NATO involvement in Iraq other than that several of our NATO allies voluntarily sent troops, so that is a new one on me. Even with the training mission, I wonder what sanction NATO gave to military action in Iraq compared to all of the other missions that the alliance has undertaken over the past 20 years or so.
Still it looks like the ribbon in question is from Ohio and not NATO, so NATO didn’t have anything to do with this dumbass going to Iraq, and I still have to wonder what point he is trying to make (I know, target of opportunity for him to put on his street theater, but lame nonetheless).
One last thing-I wouldn’t make a whole lot of the lack of a GCM for this douche. Lots of guard units weren’t up to speed on the lower time requirements for the first award of the GCM early in the war (my unit in 2003-04 insisted that our troops did not qualify regardless of what the reg said, because, they argued, we were still eligible for the ARCAM for that time). This got fixed later with an ALARACT which clarified who was eligible, but it was messed up early on.
I got an AAM for setting up a web site. Can I be a hero to?
#25 So what you’re saying is that this is our guy’s worst nightmare then? http://tinyurl.com/76sbt32
Sounds about right.
Jesus Jonn, is that all it takes to get an NCM now?
First off, what is it with these retards trying to replicate the gestures of VVAW, but doing it with onsies and twosies. It really doesn’t have an impact, and just looks retarded.
I would like to through out that the Iraq war is OVER. So being against the war is kinda silly. He never went to Afghanistan.
Also I do believe that he would be guilty of littering.
68W58 – Finally found a picture of the ribbon you referenced, and you’re probably right. The Ohio National Guard Faithful Service Ribbon does look to be what he’s wearing. It’s pretty similar to the NATO and UN Peacekeeping (Lebanon/Palestine) ribbons, and would be more plausible.
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Patrick: they do now. Initially, they did not. I believe it was sometime in 2007 or 2008 that campaign stars were announced for both the ACM and ICM.
It’s just IVAW trying to remain relevant. And failing at it. Miserably. As long as their members keep getting outed as outright frauds and/or grossly embellishing their service, their only relevance will be to provide entertainment.
His humvee was struck by AN (singular?) Enemy bullet? Hahahaha that’s his war story? That’s as badass as he gets? “A” single round? What an awesome camping trip he went on…. and no offense to be givin to our reservists and national guards but why do all these fakers/exaggerators/liars serve in our part time force? Do any of these IAVA orsimilar organiztions have any fulltime soldiers and marines….you know the people that actually eat and breath the military for years? Is it easier to forge reservists paperwork? Is it because they have so much less combat jobs? I have yet to meet a reservist with a combat mos…and only a few guards with combat mos. Not trying to disrespect honorable service from other part timers….I am just curious…they would have more insight on the feelings/motives of the part timers than I would.
This so OLD — so well known —
and REAL MEN TRACK DOWN A ROTTEN FAKER nowaday.
(See above comments, for proof.)
This critter is the opposite of impressive — what’s the word for that ??
#37 – You need to find a new state and look at the ARNG there. I’m a Massachusetts ARNG officer (11A). MA has 2 IN BNs, a FA BN, and an SF company. New Hampshire has an infantry company and an FA BDE. Vermont has an infantry BDE. New York has an Infantry division and an Infantry BCT. Rhode Island has and Infantry company and an SF company. Maine has in Infantry company. I was in Iraq with an Infantry/Armor BCT from the Mississippi ARNG and Afghanistan with an Infantry/Armor BCT from South Carolina and an Infantry BCT form New York. In fact, I’m hard pressed, off the top of my head, to come up with a state that doesn’t have some variety of combat arms unit in the ARNG. Maybe the US Virgin Islands?
badams: I have yet to figure out how a “combat MOS” is that much different from any other when it comes to being a target. I don’t think the enemy asks what MOS a soldier holds before they shoot. If you’re outside the wire, you’re at risk.
A helluva lot of non-combat arms MOS folks in Iraq ended up being targets, especially those serving in transportation and engineer MOSs. The former were targeted fairly regularly while moving supplies, and the latter did much of the route clearance (e.g., intentionally looking for IEDs). Frankly, you were probably safer serving in some of the classical “combat arms” elements (e.g., artillery firing batteries) than if you were a trucker or engineer.
#25 Claymore,
Shouldn’t that be “cameltoe” Broseus??
Touche to the replies. I had no idea national guards had SF units….are they in groups like active? Do they comprise of 18x (I think that’s the active code for sf) or are they mostly psyops and stuff? I was not trying to belittle the part timers….as when they are deployed they are as much if not more of a target than active duty. If I came across poorly which I often do I sincerely apologize. Just because I never saw a engineer or transport unit move without some sort of route clearence (sometimes combat engineers a lot of times poor infantry/armor) ahead of them doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I suppose the grunt v pog rivarly is older than any of us but I haven’t seen or heard of a reservists finance unit or laundry specialists clearing houses or the like. My intention was not to inflame..or pick….I am absolutely curious about the paperwork. Is it easier to forge or fake or exaggerate because of the multiple dd214 and not straight forwardness of the activations? EX active duty for 4 years doesn’t have the same kind of paperwork and mulitple paperworks going from active to Civ as a guard/reservists who has 5 years with with several mobilisations ( don’t even know if that’s a word.)
Also about the cliche….the joined for college and was upset about being deployed. Is that common place? In my experience the privates and butterbars often had that I’m going to get some cliche mentality…atleast for the mort part until they got some. To qualify my questions….I am legitmatly curious about the opinions (as unbiased as humanly possible) of people who served in the part time force…or people who did both…not trying to bash anyone or redicule anyones service….unless you try to glorify yourself as a single round equating to almost a casualty scenario.
What still mystifies me is, what did these guys think joining the ARMY National Guard or ARMY Reserves mean? Is there a different oath of enlistment for the Guard and Reserves?
As for this latest charade, are they so delusional as to think this proves anything? Other than to their little band of merry men? What is the membership of ALL anti-war veterans groups compared to the total number of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans? All these clownish displays do is show their impotence and insignificance. After they throw their medals why don’t they hold their breath ’til they turn blue or throw themselves on the ground kicking and screaming? I know quite a few veterans of these wars; Active, Guard and Reserve, and they all say it was ugly to see but they had a job to do, they did and came home. None of them, that I know of, have a beef with whoever sent them over there.
badams: Yeah, some Reserve/National Guard types bitched about that during both Gulf War I and the current hostilities, and were “shocked” that they actually got called up. They get no sympathy from me. You sign on the dotted line, you best know what you’re signing up for – and be prepared to deliver if necessary.
Where I think they have a point is the de facto “expect 1 year of active duty in every 5” policy that the Army has at present. IMO, that’s due to “big Army” not being willing to ask for the forces it needs to fight a prolonged mid-sized war in the Active Army. The direct effect is that they need to lean on the Reserve/National Guard heavily.
But Reserve/National Guard soldiers are generally in the Reserve/National Guard because they want to have a civilian career vice be full-time military. That’s pretty difficult to do if you’re not there 20% of the time. My fear is that we’ll see a large fraction say “screw this” when the economy perks up and leave the Reserve/National Guard altogether. That will be the second-order effect. And, unfortunately, it will probably be the “best and brightest” that get fed up and choose to leave.
And don’t think many of the guys/gals currently on active duty haven’t noticed what’s been happening to the Reserve/National Guard. Many of those guys would have considered staying in the Reserve/National Guard on ETS. Fewer will now. That’s the third-order effect.
AS OWB mentioned much earlier, gentlemen. This is their symbolic act just their big sisters V V A W…Speaking of hero’s, where’s Bill “The Assassin” Perry and his sin twister, Barry (Long Bhin Stockade’s bestest honor student) Romo these days?
“just like their big sisters” erf!
Fuck these idiots, they dont speak for most of us. Fucking WW2 vets rolling in the grave, yea lets just have a hug and high five weekend with the SS who spent untold caloric amounts of energy trying to murder us on D-Day, or the Japs trying to stab us in the fucking hearts all over the S. Pacific islands… fuck it, all a misunderstanding…peace …’Man…. fuck you, and fuck medal throwing assholes.
At best this guy could be a Senator one day. Thats the best compliment I can give, Asshole. . .
I want to meet some of these motherfuckers in person, please GOD put me face to face with some of these people, I’m so tired of READING about these dildos on this awesome site, I want to meet these idiots in the flesh…
badams, to answer your question directly, I joined as a way to pay for my education fully aware of what singing the dotted line means. I have no qualm with defending my country. I take issue when things are not planed out and are executed poorly. Someone here said that we were building up the country from scratch. That’s because we destroyed it and refused to provide security to various Ministries of Iraq after we demolished their security forces. To overthrow a dictator is one thing, to destroy the infrastructure of the country while you’re at it is another. Please watch the documentary No End In Sight if you haven’t already seen it. Advisers to Bush speak out about how they warned him of what was to come and he flat out ignored him. To those who think of me as the cliche guardsman who was whiny about being deployed. Far from the truth. I had no issue with being deployed until I was on ground and saw what was really going on.
Also badams and the like, I am not equating a single round with almost becoming a casualty of war. I’m equating a sniper round that hit about 5 inches off its mark to almost becoming a casualty of war. And this was by no means my only engagement with the enemy. I was a gunner on a convoy that went out to look for IED’s six days a week. I had plenty of time outside the wire. I just don’t feel the need to equate that to my manliness.
As to wanting to sit and drink tea with the sniper that tried to kill me. I want to do this because I know if a country invaded the U.S. I’m going to be on the roof of my building doing the same thing.
Semper, if you’re ever in Chicago look me up. I’d love to sit down with you. Maybe we could have some tea together!!