Duckworth obit
At the risk of attracting some more trolls, the story isn’t over until the phony gets planted or imprisoned. It’s the former for Jesse Wayne Duckworth;
Visitors told us in the thread that he wandered off soon after our first post about him and his remains were found a few weeks later, but I can’t find anything to verify that.
Thanks to Pat for the heads up.
Category: Phony soldiers
Curious…no lengthy mention of his military exploits and heroics. Huh.
Well, as the good man once said: “Bye bye, lardass”!
I wouldn’t worry about the timing Jonn.
@1: I will await the posting of his 214 before I question him being buried in a National cemetery (the rumor is he was bounced out from all his AWOL exploits, so that would negate him being buried in a National cemetery).
@1 – I recall from postings on other threads here at TAH from family members that they intentionally left out the military exploits as they knew they were inaccurate at best. We could only wish that other family members did and do the same at obit writing time.
Yeah, I am uncomfortable with the fact that we are all basing this on no DD214. That doesn’t mean that he wasn’t dishonorably discharged and AWOL etc, but we don’t seem to have anything at all, except an email. We don’t even have a link to a POW Net page with the actual records. So something about this whole thing continues to make me feel uncomfortable.
@5: Agreed.
TSO – I wonder what he used for documentation for Legion membership. Someone has to have some paper somewhere, and it’s odd that POW Network wouldn’t have the FOIA stuff up.
Hmmm…nothing is mentioned about any military service yet they mention him being a past commander of American Legion post #215. How does that work?
Just to let you know so many of us Duckworth’s are really pissed about him being burried in the Nat’l Cememtary. We just can’t believe this. The last we heard or read that the immediate family was trying to find his discharge papers- We never heard or read if they found them or not . What we want to know is how did they arrange this and what is the rules for this type of burial and if the funeral home found what they needed or did they just take their word for it. If the military finds out they did this – will they dig him up and start over or what. HELP we need to find out who to get a call – As I have said in the past – he would never come around any of us aunts – uncles – cousins etc – because we all knew his BS. – and we wouldn’t put up his nonsense. He wouldn’t have gotten the attention he is dishing out to his friends and strangers. His own kids knew he was a fake.
If his kids knew he was a fake, who’s arranging for his burial in a national cemetery?
Anonymous:
This link has the full criteria for national cemetery burial:
http://www.cem.va.gov/bbene/eligible.asp
Bottom line, if he ever served and got anything but a DD, he may be eligible. Honorable, he does. General, OTH, or BCD – maybe; it’s apparently the local VAROs call in those cases. If he served after 1980 or 1981 (enlisted/officer), he had to serve a minimum of 24 months. Before then, there’s apparently no minimum service time.
I was pretty surprised to see that folks with general, OTH, and bad conduct discharges could qualify for a national cemetery burial – but that’s what the VA says.
For the record, we’ll never know the character of his discharge, unless someone (his family) gets his DD 214…that’s not FOIA stuff.
If I had to guess, based on his age I’d guess he might have had some small amount of uneventful Vietnam-era service and qualified on that account (or got pitched but also got cut a break by his local VARO). But that’s only a guess.
His son said he had seen the DD214, but the last I heard was they could not locate it. But, I also was informed that JW Duckworth was a “hoarder”, so they may have finally found it in all his stuff. I was told at one time that he received a dishonorable discharge, but according to the following, that was not true. Decide for yourself.
Excerpts from Stolen Valor: How The Vietnam Generation Was Robbed Of its Heroes And its History by B. G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley
J.W. Duckworth had been a private first class in the Army, and his only overseas duty was in Germany. Court-martialed while at Fort Hood on two charges of AWOL, Duckworth had been sentenced to 40 days hard labor and reduced to private E-1 before being discharged.
I don’t understands why anyone wants to pretend to be U.S. soldier veteran. Everybody in the world hates/thinks you murderers. Maybe dumb Americans kiss your ass, “support the troops,” but the world knows you as fuck up guys who kill innocent, even rape women and men. Here in Swiss, only people supporting U.S. are for real Nazi people which we have, for shame. So why does anyone want to pretend for something that with no honor? Besides, US loose every war you fight!
Yes, he was drafted during the Vietnam war, but from what I’ve heard, after he did his 40 days hard labor for going AWOL, he was sent to Germany, where he serving his time was discharged as a Private. Which, from what I’ve read makes him eligible to be buried in a National Cemetary.
Are you totally 100% sure he’s really gone? He could have faked this to.
#16 “but from what I’ve heard”… I don’t go on from what I’ve heard BS.
I don’t know who arranged his burial. But his wife would have the last say-so. – so I am blaming her
@ Schweizer Troll. You are from where? Swiss? You mean Switzerland … Yes, Switzerland … A land where Nazi’s still thrive. Most Nazi’s in the US are proscuted for one reason or another … eventually. Look here you rotting piece of sea waste … while the US was out destoying the Nazi’s during WWII … your Arian utopia was lapping at the asses of the Nazi’s. I invite you to NYC … come hear … I am very easy to find … let me introduce you to some of my friends … you can share your thoughts with them. Swiss … Switzerland … the best thing that every came out of your country was … ah … nevermind!
C1 roller dude – Yes we are sure – Because we logged into the funeral home site to get e mails – so they would let us know -when they rec’d the body.
GO GET ‘EM MCPO NYC USN (RET)
Yeah, ST’s IP shows NYC.
http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/bbene/eligible.asp
Undesirable, bad conduct, and any other type of discharge other than honorable may or may not qualify the individual for Veterans benefits, depending upon a determination made by a VA Regional Office.
So it may or may not, depending on the VA Regional Office.
@20: I’m figuring that Schweizer Troll is probably one of our local trolls from New Jersey.
To any Duckworth’s posting comments here: YOU ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH! Clearly, you have no sense of decency or family values. You accuse Jesse of grandstanding for attention, yet HERE YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING! Begging for attention, and off of his death, no less. The death of a family member! You’re absolutely disgusting, and if you really do go to church, should share with your congregation what you are doing to your family. You should then beg for God’s forgiveness for breaking his law. If you think Jesse was a ‘bad guy,’ and his lies hurt people, and you apologizing is helping people, you are dead wrong. You’re not apologizing for other peoples’ sake, you are apologizing only for yourself, for the tiny bit of positive attention it generates you, and that’s just pain pathetic.
Any hurt Jesse did any of you in life must now be forgiven. Your despicable actions, defiling your own dead in this way, have brought shame upon your household, far more than he could have ever himself, and further have released his soul from its eternal bondage. You alone now carry the weight of your family’s dishonor. Jesse will rest in peace.
Or pieces, whichever.
Schweizer Troll: Gehen Sie zur Hölle, Arschloch. Und lecken Sie meinen Esel, bevor Sie gehen.
I got as far as “arschloch” before I guffawed.
ROS: just thought he might appreciate not having to translate from English.
So thoughtful. 🙂
Babelfish screws it up a little but the meaning comes through;
Go to hell, asshole. And lick you mean donkeys, before you go.
Not begging for attention – DON’T NEED THE ATTENTION just tired of the hipocrits that put this man on a pedestal- that are suppose to be so supporting of our military – and you for one is thinking he is some GOd – anyone can help the veterans – I for one am helping my husband – he served 21 years in the AF. He too is disgusted with this piece of shit. Also 2 grandsons – one in the Army and 1 in AF. They too are also ashamed of this asshat as he is. And you probably being a wrinkle up old woman with dead brain cells can’t see what this man has done to you and your friends and our military. He will burn in Hell for what he has done. Let’s see him help someone there. We are not doing anything against the family as he has. None of us want to be around him and haven’t for a long time – We got his number years ago and been laughing at him ever since -Now we also can laugh at his followers. Its too bad you aren’t smart enough to realize that. We are still laughing because he has fooled soooo many people like you. And that is pathetic.
I believe it’s “lick my ass, you jackass”.
27 Fuck you, you disgusting cunt. Enjoy dancing a man’s grave you reprehensible whore.
I am, thanks.
Nothing to thank me for, being a garbage dwelling cum slut is nothing to be proud of, so it wasn’t a compliment. White trash piece of shit, that’s all you and your family are.
Actually, it was (or should have been) “Lick my ass before you go”. But I think I goofed and told him to kiss the wrong ass. It should have been “Und lecken Sie meinen Arsch, bevor Sie gehen.”
Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut.
RIP DUCKWORTH: please consume excrement, and thus expire. But go elsewhere first.
That only goes to show who is in fact ignorant here, Ducky. I’m not white.
Thanks for playing, though. I’m sure you’ll someday again see your beloved poseur. I only hope that you have an asbestos suit to take with you when you go.
Smooches!
TSO – OK so there may be a privacy thing, but…can’t you use your super investigatory powers (i.e. go down the hall ans ask somebody in the membership department) and see what the hell documents this idiot used to get into the Legion?
sheesh – can’t type today that should be “…down the hall and…”
ROS #40: Technical question (and off topic); since you are not white, and Duckworth is/was does your comment automagically make you a racist?
I genuinely have trouble keeping abreast of the standards.
Aside: I wonder if there is a formal fake/poser/shithead anti-defamation league or some such out there?
Silly Ponzarelli, it can only be racist if a white person does it. 😀
Now RIP Duckworth – you seem to be talking also about j.
Wayne Duckworth and family – where did you learn your words. And may I ask WHY???? aren’t you at his funeral – it is going on right now at this time.
@38
I know I’ve fogotten almost all the German I knew, and I was kind of embarassed to admit that the “Esel” in the original threw me… I was trying to figure it out by context…
Why are my instincts telling me that this is one big, fahking Duckworth circle jerk? One question I have is, when did the military ever send a troop to Europe to serve out correctional time? If his being AWOL was that bad, he’d have caught a stretch at FT Leavenworth CCB, not somewhere else. I know of several that were shipped in-country to FLCCB from their unit and/or Long Bhin Stockade. One of those happens to run with Bill Perry & his VFP crew & should have been awarded at the very least a silver star for his courageous performance in a combat situation…You reading this Dennis?
No, Susan I can’t, for basic legal reasons, no one from National can control that sort of stuff. It has to do with our make up, and essentially shields us from respondeat superior claims. We have no control etc over the actions of individual posts. Now, if I had proof that he did not meet eligibility requirements, I could go to the Dept and ask them to investigate, but I can’t demand them to do anything, and if I tried all the posts would raise holy hell about national butting in. But again, if I had a DD214 that didn’t list honorable service during specified periods of war, I could let the Dept know that the individual was violating our congressional charter. But, we don’t have any form of DD214 here, so as far as I know, even if he did go AWOL, he might very well have served out his enlistment and gotten an honorable discharge, and thus qualified. I’m uncomfortable all the way around on this one.
Two questions, TSO – if you have time:
The AL’s website says that one must have “served honorably”, but doesn’t specifically state that an honorable discharge is required. Would a “general under honorable conditions” discharge allow someone to join? And would a discharge that was originally OTH or worse, but which had been later upgraded to “general under honorable” (or all the way to honorable) qualify?
It seems plausible that this guy could have fallen into one of these categories – hence the questions.
TSO, there is no way in hell he’d of served out his time oversea’s….Too much risk of flight. CONUS would have been his serve out time…
streetsweeper: I’d guess he got in trouble at Hood after returning from Europe vice getting in trouble before being sent to Europe. But it’s also possible he might not have gotten a “bad” discharge.
Without a FOIA summary of his service, it’s pretty much impossible to know where he served first. And as Jonn noted, without a valid 214 knowing what type of discharge he received ain’t gonna happen.