MoveOn member attacked by Rand Paul supporters
I don’t much like most MoveOn members, either. I’ve debated them, interviewed them and followed their ridiculous antics over the last several years. They are flaming assholes and intellectually vacant. But they don’t deserve this;
Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, told Louisville station WDRB she was trying to give Paul a fake award when his supporters took her to the ground.
Well, maybe they deserve it, but that doesn’t mean we should do it. Yeah, I said “we” because we, on the political right own actions like this. Of course, the news isn’t that while SOME Rand Paul supporters defended the woman on the ground, the news is that two or three Rand Paul supporters assaulted the MoveOn minion. Hell, I don’t even support Rand Paul (he supported Adam Kokesh during Kokesh’s primary run in New Mexico), but I guess I own this childish crap because it’s going to get waved in our faces.
I’m pretty sure the woman was doing something to get herself singled out, I know I wouldn’t know a MoveOn creep by the sight of them. But the video gets cut off to hide her recounting of the events – for a very good reason, I’m sure.
Here’s another video in which you can hear Rand Paul supporters pleading with the attackers to stop assaulting the woman which I picked up at Gateway Pundit;
And not to minimize the assault, but she wasn’t “stomped” as the Left contends. And it looks like the guy put his foot on her shoulder, not her head.
Yes, our side has been dealt some assaults, too, but that doesn’t justify this bullshit.
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Well, call me a cynic. How do we know this wasn’t staged? After all the shit some people have been subjected to, how do we know? And, if it is real, it is never warranted or right.
I’m prepared to believe that this wasn’t staged and that the jackass who attacked this chick is a nutcase who thinks Area 51 has flying saucers and weather control devices. Does that absolve MoveOn whackjobs from their constant agitation? Hardly. But if you continue poking a stick at a caged animal, don’t be surprised when they suddenly decide to relive you of a finger or two.
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Whatever humor may have ever existed in our political process, it is gone now. This is a pretty good indication that tensions are going to be running high between now and oh…probably about 2012.
Frightened animals are dangerous. Even us.
I don’t care if you’re left/right/middle or blue/red/purple, this sort of juvenile, animalistic behavior has no place in our discourse, period.
And unlike some other “groups” of people, I’m calling horseshit on it right now and stating that it does not accurately represent me as a conservative.
Those guys need to have their asses kicked.
Moveon asshole gets stomped a bit. GOOD. The stakes are entirely too high to do that moral high road shit that got us screwed every time we did it in the past. The governance of the country is too important to be polite over, particularly if we are about to sink.
The reason assholes such as Moron.org, the Phelps cult, the Black Panthers, Code Pink,etc, etc, etc, keep doing their stupid shit is because they know there will be no consequences for their actions. If a few more of them went to the hospital, much of their nonsense would stop, because they don’t really believe in it, they just like to act like children. Some folks thrash their kids when they do stupid antisocial shit. Then they learn not to be that way. Same here. This chickie got roughly handled and did not get hurt, but I bet she thinks twice before the next ignorant stunt, don’t you? That would mean they made her smarter by a bit.
USMC Steve, she won’t learn. Gateway Pundit has the goods on her and calls her a “professional activist”. He has a blog post on her recent ‘activities’ down in the Gulf with the oil spill.
The Left cheers this on when they do it to conservatives and then plays the helpless victim when their bullying gets met with push back. Sorry, I have no sympathy for this long-time harassing activist (did you see on Gateway Pundit some of the BS she has done in her activist career?).
The Left has been getting away with their BS violent tactics in politics for way too long. And they keep pushing the envelope, getting worse and worse and worse (slashing tires of campaign vans in 2004, sending out the Black Panthers to intimidate in 2008, harassing voters who supported Prop 8 in CA, harassing the families of banks at their homes). They do it on purpose to send a message to their opponents to silence them and prevent them from getting involved in politics and voting at all. Well, maybe this will send the message that their opponents are done taking their crap.
That said, what’s the big deal? Obama said that we should punish our political enemies. So they’re just acting on the wonderful example set by our messiah President.
A-freaking-men to everything said by USMC Steve.
And Trent is correct. This activist chick won’t learn, but this sends a message to other Leftists that the Right is not taking their BS anymore. And so others will think twice before starting something now. Bullies back down when you stand up to them. For decades, the Right has taken ‘the high road’ and we’ve been rewarded with escalation of hate, vitriol and violence among the Left, along with a gangster government full of socialists, communists and Marxists. The time for “taking the high road” is over.
Now, don’t misunderstand, I’m not calling for anarchy. What I am calling for is standing up to activist bullying and not taking their shit anymore. They get in our face, instead of laughing them off or walking away, we get right back in their face and tell them off, and let them clearly understand that we are not going to be bullied by them anymore.
Here’s the GP post about this activist’s history.
I guess teabaggers are the new brownshirts.
I just have two observations. First, it wasn’t Rand Paul supporters who were overly aggresive, it was one Rand Paul supporter. From what we see in the video, two or three others take her down about as gently as you possibly can with a resisting adult, all the while calling for someone to get the police.
Secondly, you say if they’d shown the rest of the clip her it probably wouldn’t have made her look very good. I think it would be much more instructive to see video prior to that clip. We know for a fact that leftists have a long history of physically attacking conservatives at public forums. It may well be the case that her actions indicated that she planned to do something more than give Paul a fake award.
You know that AndyN. They just didn’t let her get up in his face. And given that these turds never get stungunned or thrown in jail for like six months or a year, they just keep on doing it. We have to find their pain threshold and exceed it, so they might stop being idiots.
Here’s what I have heard on our local news (we’re not too far from where this occurred), plus a little background.
Rand Paul is a jerk. At their last debate, he stormed off the stage, refusing to shake his opponent’s hand. It hasn’t gotten any prettier since, although personally, he was a little more calm last night.
The MoveOn chick was trying to get a picture of herself handing Paul an “employee of the month” award which she planned on using in a smear campaign against him.
Scum is scum… but even as much as she may have deserved the smack-down, it was unacceptable behavior. The stomping has been denounced by the Paul campaign.
Picture this…A woman, wearing a disguise is carying a sign protesting a politician…as he walks by, said woman shoves her way through the crowd toward that politician, while carying an unknown object in her outstretched hand…what would you do?
Scum is scum… but even as much as she may have deserved the smack-down, it was unacceptable behavior. The stomping has been denounced by the Paul campaign.
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She deserved everything she got, except the foot on her shoulder. And you can clearly hear someone say “no no no, come on” to the guy doing it, to tell him to stop doing that.
She was in disguise and going at a political candidate with an unidentified object. She sure as hell should have been taken down as she was. And she wasn’t even taken down very roughly. She was carefully brought to the ground and then held there while waiting for police to take her away. Without watching the video and just reading what people are saying about this, they make it to be as if a bunch of Rand Paul supporters were stomping on this chick. That was not the case AT ALL. They took action to stop her going at Mr. Paul, carefully brought her to the ground and then ONE guy put his foot on her shoulder and pressed down before taking it off her after another person told him to cut it out.
Ooooh! Major scandal! Give me a gawddamned break.
The people there did the right thing. They took down a perceived threat to a political candidate. Had this happened to a politician in office, the secret service detail would have handled her much worse.
This is nothing and being blown up into a ‘scandal’ by the Left, because they are desperate. They can’t debate us on the issues, so they send out their pathetic activists to pull bullshit stunts like this.
STOP falling for this bullshit. The focus should not be ONE guy putting his foot on her shoulder and shoving it down, the focus should be on the fact that these jackass activists have NOTHING on which to debate, so they pull jackass stunts like this.
Throwing a woman to the ground, stomping on her, then walking away is not restraining the idiot out of fear she may do something drastic.
And condoning the actions of those who did take her down does not mean you can’t say the asshat who stepped on her head wasn’t in the wrong.
He’s just as much of an idiot as the chick on the ground.
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Wow. The stupid is strong over there in the comments. From the ironically named “One Nation Under educated”:
8 lies you will hear all day long on the wingnut echo chamber
1. Obama tripled the deficit (No: it is lower than in Bush’s last budget)
2. Obama raised taxes (No: the “stimulus” contained a big tax cut)
3. Obama bailed out the banks (No: the bailout happened before Obama took office)
4. The “stimulus” failed (No: the CBO estimates it created 1-3 million jobs)
5. Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts (No: They will hire when they sell more products)
6. Health-insurance reform will cost $1 trillion (No: the CBO says it will save $138 billion)
7. Social security is a Ponzi scheme (No: it will continue to be solvent for 25 years)
8. Government spending takes money out of the economy (No: govt buys stuff and hires people)
And to think, people like this cancel out our votes. Ugh…
AFSister…you do realize why he wouldn’t shake the guys hand don’t you? The whole “Rand Paul kidnapped a woman and forced her to swear allegiance to his god aquabuddha” commercial? The last ad I heard from his opponent claims he doesn’t want black people to eat in the same restaurant as white people. Would you shake your opponents hand if he said that about you? Personally, I’d probably break his hand if he held it out to me…
Would you shake your opponents hand if he said that about you? Personally, I’d probably break his hand if he held it out to me…
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We need more of that attitude from Republicans in Congress (not the hand-breaking, but just refusing to extend any respect to someone who hasn’t earned it at all). The fact is that the Democrats are not our friends. I’ve had enough with Republicans like McCain and Grahmnesty and such going around saying the Democrats are their “esteemed colleagues” or “my good friend” blah blah f-ing blah.
It is FAR past time that we stop extending our hands across the aisle when all that happens is the Democrats chop them off and laugh in our faces. When the other side is made up of a bunch of slimey, smearing, corrupt POSes who give respect to no one, it is time to treat them as the despicable trash that they are.
If we had that kind of kick-ass attitude in the GOP previously, maybe we wouldn’t be in this shitty situation in the country now, because we would have actually had someone in Washington standing up to the Democrat thugs and calling them on their BS and corruption.
Is it my imagination, or does the guy doing the “stomping” look very similar to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmxWLXnAB4
I’m thinking Agent Provocateur
I think the guys foot may have slipped and went down to her head. I could not see were this could have cause her any injury. I have to agree it it time that we stop playing nice. It just does not work. I agree totally with USMC Steve.
Too bad he wasn’t wearing steel-toed Redwings or at least a pair of Corcorans.
Jonn is right and he deserves credit for saying what he did. This isn’t ok.
I don’t think people like USMC Steve would be saying the same stuff if it was a conservative who was thrown to the ground, held and had a boot forcefully pushed on a persons neck and lower head while on pavement. It is called assault. What if this was a black panter “pushing” on the head a of a gently put to the ground conservative? You don’t have to answer, I can just imagine it.
If your opinion changes based on the political view of the injured or attacker you are a hypocrite and a political hack.
I am finding that I have even less respect than ever for some of the commenters on this blog. There’s always been a lot of ugliness here, which in the past I would excuse in my own mind as a result of PTSD or whatever, but now I see that the root issue here is probably one of moral character because some of you have conveyed by your ugly words that you don’t even have respect for the rule of law.
If your opinion changes based on the political view of the injured or attacker you are a hypocrite and a political hack.
If a conservative were doing something stupid like this, I’d be calling him/her out as well. I don’t care what side of the political aisle on which you stand, you don’t put on a costume and then rush towards a politician in a threatening manner. If you do so, you deserve any punishment you get from either law enforcement on scene or citizens taking it upon themselves to protect the politician.
Fortunately, we won’t have to find out what people would say were a conservative to do something stupid like this, because conservatives don’t have any radical political activist groups like Moveon, the SEIU thugs, etc who deliberately do stupid crap like this. Conservative groups are focused on policies and grassroots organization and getting people involved in politics the right way, not through stupid stunts and public disobedience.
“conservatives don’t have any radical political activist groups like Moveon, the SEIU thugs, etc who deliberately do stupid crap like this. Conservative groups are focused on policies and grassroots organization and getting people involved in politics the right way, not through stupid stunts and public disobedience”
Oh Michael, you have a call…he says his name is “Fake ACORN Pimp”
Should I put it on speaker?
Oh Michael, you have a call…he says his name is “Fake ACORN Pimp”
You’re comparing the “fake ACORN Pimp” exposing ACORN corruption by… talking to ACORN employees… to liberal groups who engage in terrorism, assault and defacing property? Seriously? Nice try.
Hey, speaking of your favorite “fake ACORN pimp”, Wayne, here’s his latest work: Governor Chris Christie Plugs James O’Keefe’s “Teachers Gone Wild” Video
You’ll notice no violence or assault or blowing up of buildings or defacing property. He simply catches the Left on camera in their most honest moments in order to expose them. But, yeah, that’s the same as what the radical Moveon.org and GreenPeace political activist does on a regular basis. Right.
Wayne = Joe? Or do they share the same keyboard and toothbrush? Inquiring minds want to know.
Michael in MI wrote, “…you don’t put on a costume and then rush towards a politician in a threatening manner. If you do so, you deserve any punishment you get from either law enforcement on scene or citizens taking it upon themselves to protect the politician.”
Taking the law into your own hands to “punishing” someone on the streets outside of a court of law falls into the realm of criminal offense. It’s called assault and battery, whether done by citizens or by the police, neither of whom have impunity to “punish” anyone. What you are advocating is thuggery and lawlessness.
Come on Michael, I watched the whole “teachers gone wild” video….ummm
Is that supposed to hard-hitting, embarrassing or even funny? Sounded like some teachers blowing off some steam over drinks…talking bullshit. Nothing to see there. Hell the part where they are talking about the struggles of using non-violent crisis intervention tactics against violent kids makes them look downright sympathetic.
I was really hoping to see something funny. I enjoy a good laugh…even at my side’s expense. What a let-down.
And dude, you’ve gotta stop with the hyperbole. MoveOn has been involved in terrorism? Really?
Just because someone has different political views means that they are out to literally destroy you. You’ve got the bring the rhetoric down a few thousand degrees.
We’re all Americans. We really shouldn’t be to the point where we’re making excuses for grown men shoving a lady to the ground and putting their foot her head because she’s got a different point of view.
If you’re one of the vets on this blog…you gotta remember the whole reason you wear that uniform is for that lady on the ground; her right to be free to say whatever is on her mind without getting kicked literally to the curb.
We don’t do that here in America. There’s no place for it.
her right to be free to say whatever is on her mind without getting kicked literally to the curb.
No one has a right to radical political activism without consequences for their actions. Military members are not fighting for anyone’s right to pull stupid political stunts with impunity. She put on a wig and went to move towards a political candidate with some object in her hand. She was beyond suspicious.
If she was just standing there shouting at Rand Paul and got taken down, that’s another thing altogether and I would agree her right to protest was infringed upon. But that’s not at all what happened. She wasn’t restrained for simply having a different point of view.
You change this scenario around to some wackjob Obama-hater who dons a wig and goes to rush towards the President in a similar fashion and no one would be questioning when the Secret Service took down the potential assailant in a similar fashion as was done here.
And you may want to look up the definition of “literally”. She wasn’t “kicked to the curb”, she was restrained, put to the ground and then some jackass put his foot on her shoulder and pushed down on her once, and stopped immediately when the others there told him to knock it off. You and the rest of the people blowing this up into a scandal act as if she was beaten to the ground and repeatedly kicked.
And there’s no place for a lot of things here in America, first and foremost, radical political activist activities like this Moveon.org chick participates in on a regular basis. No military member wears their uniform in order to protect this chick’s right to deface property and participate in public disobedience with impunity.
Here is proof that this assault was not a MoveOn orchestrated hoax. You guys here should trust the source, it’s “fair and balanced”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/26/rand-paul-supporter-apologizes-scuffle-outside-debate/?test=latestnews
Seems like the jackbooted thug pounding the lady into the curb is major Paul campaign contributor and organizer…that’s a euphemism for “political operative”.
So we’ve got political operatives assaulting political opponents in the streets.
Is this still America 2010? Or have we arrived in Germany 1933?
What you are advocating is thuggery and lawlessness.
No, what the LEFT advocates is thuggery and lawlessness (they even broadcast it on their websites, telling their sheep followers to go to townhalls and TEA Party rallies and cause trouble). What *I* and the majority of the Right advocates is preventing thuggery and lawlessness. What you are suggesting is to just let suspicious people dressed up in costumes and rushing at politicians to have free reign and simply allow them to pull their stunts and no one should do anything to stop them. Brilliant.
Newsflash: law enforcement cannot protect everyone from everything. We, the People, have to protect ourselves. And We, the People, have to protect others when law enforcement is not around to do so.
There was no “thuggery” or “lawlessness” in this situation, except by the ONE guy who put his foot on her shoulder and got in a free shot, before the others there told him to knock it off. Other than the action of ONE jackass, the only “lawlessness” was this stupid radical political activist deliberately causing a scene. She was taken down to prevent any potential harm to Rand Paul.
If this were Barack Obama who was being protected, I wonder if you and others defending this chick would feel differently. Something tells me you would. Unless you’re now going to say that any nutjob should be allowed near the President.
So we’ve got political operatives assaulting political opponents in the streets.
No one here has suggested this was a hoax. What most have explained is that this was a deliberate attempt by a Moveon.org and GreenPeace radical political activist to cause trouble at a Rand Paul rally. Fortunately, before she was able to do anything, she was restrained by people at the rally and kept away from Rand Paul. Unfortunately, ONE JACKASS took the liberty of putting his foot on her shoulder to hold her down and then got in ONE jab with his foot, until told to knock it off by the others there.
Technically, that is assault, but you make it sound like she was thrown to the ground and gang raped by a bunch of KKK members and left for dead. She was carefully restrained, brought to the ground and then ONE jackass got in one foot jab to the shoulder. Then it was over. Was it wrong? Yes. Was it a scandal? No. The fact that you people are working your asses off to turn this into a major scandal shows how pathetically desperate you are. You can’t debate Rand Paul on the issues, you have to send your paid political operatives in to try to cause a ‘scandal’.
“There was no ‘thuggery’ or ‘lawlessness’ in this situation, except by the ONE guy who put his foot on her shoulder and got in a free shot, before the others there told him to knock it off.”
Okay, thank you; that was all I wanted to hear. That is quite a bit different than some previous statements made on this thread (yours and others) which came off sounding like a defense of what is actually unlawful behavior.
No one is suggesting that self-defense or protection of public figures should not be the normal practice. I think we do agree on what should be the correct principle, which is simply to use the minimum amount of force that is necessary.
Problem is, Debra, for far too long the left HAS in fact used thuggery and lawlessness to advance their cause with the knowledge we wouldn’t fight fire with fire. We’ve simply grown tired of their childish antics and the complete unwillingness of the legal system to punish those who do transgress.
As Sam Kinnison said, “I don’t condone it, but I UNDERSTAND it!”
you disagree with someone based on your deeply held beliefs. you miscontrue the exercise of speech. thus violence is ok? sounds like jihad.
the guys said they knew her and her tactics, hardly seemed they thought she was a threat rather than just not liking what she was saying.
the guys said they knew her and her tactics
Yeah, she has a long history of getting arrested for radical activism. Thus, she was definitely a threat to do something, they just were not sure what. So they decided to not wait around to find out and restrained her when she started going towards Rand Paul.
Sounds like jihad? If you’re talking about the radical activist chick’s history, you may have a point. If you’re talking about what the Rand Paul supporters did, you’re an idiot.
J, I have yet to see any conservative act like an asshole to the level of any of the massive number of liberals who throw pies, assault conservatives, disrupt congress in its business, make “citizen’s arrests” at book signings etc, etc, etc, but if they act stupid I have even less sympathy for them because unlike the retarded fucks of the left, I EXPECT BETTER FROM THEM. They can grasp right and wrong as concepts. Debra: The rule of law ceased when Nobama and a bunch of Marxist Leftist liberals took over the government. SEIU has committed multiple felonies, and Holder blows it off. States like Arizona try to pass laws to enforce the laws the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT not only refuses to do but they are actively resisted by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from trying to secure their own borders and ensuring the safety of their citizens, as the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT does. The president declares WAR on conservatives, Republicans and anyone who does not kiss his ass and bow to his manifesto of leftist ideals. Getting the point now? Can you even begin to grasp it? Wayne: I didn’t put 20 years in the Corps to protect ANYONE’S right to act like a fucking idiot. If that is how they express their opinion they have already lost the damned argument because they are making no sense. There is no vested right to be a dumbass. And doing stuff like this just might get one’s ass kicked but you can bet she didn’t expect it to happen. Actions have consequences and she just might have learned that. Or not. But you can bet she didn’t expect it because she thought she would get away with harassing someone, since in the past conservatives (or Paul supporters…they can be a bit different) never did anything to restrain them. The one guy who showed her the sole of his shoe was wrong to do so. But it never could have happened if Angelina Asshole had not decided to pull a moron.org stunt. No sympathy. And to all out there. Look at the oath of enlistment.… Read more »
Here is the relevant part of the Constitution that you were sworn to defend that protects a person’s right to “act like an idiot” (which is your bullshit interpretation of what she was doing, not mine):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
That’s the First Amendment, for all of you don’t have a clue.
She had every right to exercise her right to freedom of speech, by holding a sign and trying to embarrass a political candidate for his links to corporate interests.
You don’t like the content of her speech…tough titties. She still has the right to say it.
You swore to defend the Constitution…the Constitution swore to defend this woman’s right to free speech.
Therefore you swore to defend this woman’s right to free speech.
Uh Wayne….Does this mean #Mossburg590=1stamendmentright?…just askin…
@NHSparky (#41), can you be more specific as to any cases you’re aware of in which the left used acts of violence against individuals on the right in their exercise of free speech? I’m not defending leftist politics and I don’t have a lot of trouble flipping back and forth between conservatism and libertarianism. I’m merely asking for any facts that you might have…which I suspect would be as skewed as Michael in MI’s conflation of old-fashioned American street activism with jiihadism. It’s hard to take a man seriously whos is asserting that this woman posed a serious threat to the safety of others. Especially a 20-year lifer Marine, for crying out loud…
“…which I suspect would be as skewed as Michael in MI’s conflation of old-fashioned American street activism with jiihadism.”
You aren’t too good at detecting sarcasm. I was responding to the idiotic claim by “J” of “sounds like jihad”. You know, respond to absurdity with absurdity in order to make a point? Went over your head, I guess.
“can you be more specific as to any cases you’re aware of in which the left used acts of violence against individuals on the right in their exercise of free speech?”
You obviously haven’t paid much attention the past 10 years.
Case 1: The Town Halls of August
Case 2: Torch-wielding leftists at UC Berkeley attack chancellor’s home [Scroll down this post to find 9 videos of other examples]
Case 3: Tomato Man: Another addition to the Unhinged mugshot collection
Case 4: This is what mob rule looks like [6 video examples in post]
Case 5: The insane rage of the same-sex marriage mob
Case 6: Special report: Tracing the Left’s escalating war on military recruiters [Scroll for numerous examples going back to 2005]
Case 7: A bomb threat against the Gathering of Eagles Update: Meet the IVAW jerk ; Update: More threats to “waste” counterprotesters
Case 8: Look who’s “gripped by insane rage” [Scroll down for numerous mugshots and descriptions of why these people were arrested and are posing for mugshots]
Case 9: Radical mob forces cancellation of Ann Coulter speech
Case 10: Radical mob storms stage during Tom Tancredo speech
I can provide plenty more, but I’m hungry, so it’s off to make dinner. But there should be plenty here for you to read and research.
Okay, Michael in MI, help me out a little bit here now since, as you can obviously see, I need a lot of help. I’m busy right now mashing up a baked pumpkin to make some pumpkin custard and I just can’t be going through all these links looking for which ones are specifically of MoveOn.org members. I’m no fan of MoveOn; just asking.
You said “cases in which the left used violence against individuals on the right”. I provided them. Now you’re changing things to “ones are specifically of Moveon.org members”. I’m not about to do your research for you, especially when you keep changing the rules of what you want.
If you want to know something, then do the damn research yourself, Debra.