Chiroux and Brower; being something they ain’t
One of my spies who has infiltrated Chiroux’s inner circle on Facebook (he won’t “friend” me for some reason he can’t explain) sent me this video that he linked;
In the beginning of the video, Chiroux says “I know from experience that [the war in Afghanistan] is genocide” – “From experience”? Sitting at Baskin-Robbins on Bagram for six days (give or take a few hours)? Of course, none of the hippies to whom he’s speaking care – as long as he wears his BDU jacket and stands in front of them, that’s all they need.
He says he’s a veteran of “the situation”. What situation, Matthis? Does he mean “the situation” in Germany and Japan, because those are the only places he’s been.
Elaine Brower screeches that she doesn’t want her son to have to go back to the war. That sounds like something she needs to take up with her son. Last I knew, he’s a staff sergeant, so he’s reenlisted a few times – no one is making him go back. I’m sure he’s a smart guy and could get a job somewhere else, if he wanted.
Brower wants to be seen as a victim of the government’s war – she’s not. She’s a victim of her son’s personal decisions. So was my mother when I was in the Army. Chiroux wants to be regarded as an eye witness to something he’s never seen. He’s another Ward Reilly. 30 years from now Chiroux is going to be a scraggly old man clinging to the days he was drilling hairy-legged hippie chicks.
Of course, these two need the war. The last thing they really want is for it to end.
By the way, someone tell Bill Perry (he commented on the Facebook entry) that I think it’s hilarious that he’s using a picture I took of him as his avatar on Facebook. I’m glad he’s a fan of my work.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, United Nations
“She’s a victim of her son’s personal decisions. So was my mother when I was in the Army.”
My mom died of an aneurysm the day I joined. I will always feel guilty wondering if that somehow parcipitated it.(sp?)
Either way, good on SSG Brower.
Boy, don’t you know SSG Brower is proud!??!?! Poor guy. What an embarrassment.
TSO, you’re a good man. I’m sure your mom is incredibly proud of you.
TSO, you know that is impossible.
That is like my mother believing that God can’t take her on such and such a date if she stays out of a plane.
Your mom is very proud of her boys.
I love how Chirroux can’t even look the interviewer in the eye when he claims to be an Afghanistan Vet. What a post-op tranny vagina he is.
Every time I see people like Brower and Ciny Sheehan, I want to ask them the following questions – if your sons, who theoretically loved you and knew your views on war and service decided to ignore your point of view and enlist anyway, why should anyone else listen to you?
If anybody gets the chance to pose this question to one of these walking embarassments to their honorable sons, I would appreciate it.
S.
What I left on the posters YouTube channel:
I want to start out by saying that most activist films are horribly put together. However, this one is very well done. But speaking from one filmmaker to another, do your fact checking. The other posters are right. Matthis spent a week or less in Afghanistan and did not play a combat role. He is for lack of a better word, lying. Which if you don’t check into people’s history, makes you look bad.
Susan – Have you lost a son or daughter in either of the wars?
No I haven’t – but I don’t think Ms. Brower has either. Cindy Sheehan was anti-military before Casey enlisted, and still he felt the call to serve. I am sure Ms. Brower’s son knows how she feels, yet he continues to serve, and considering how long we have been in A’stan, has most likely re-upped in that period.
These women are entitled to be against anything they want. They just aren’t entitled to embarass their sons while doing it.
Susan-its rude that you wrote “if your sons, who theoretically loved you” I’m sure both sons love their mothers. This isn’t about love; there are different opinions present within the same families.
Just like mathis and his father; i think his father claims he loves him even though I find it hard to believe that he would be commenting on this site if he did. I’m guessing Chrioux senior comments more on this site than he even talks to his son…
I liked the film; i think the kid who made it is kind of young, too. good music.
And admit it, John, you must love Mathis et al, b/c without them, you’d have next to nothing to blog about….
what a cycle this is.
Lastly, I’m sorry TSO, that is a really sad story. I hope you’ve made peace with it.
Stacy, I blogged before Matthis, and I’ll blog when he’s gone. I think if Sheehan and Brower try to hide behind their sons’ respective service for some twisted moral authority in this national conversation, they’re fair game. There was nothing “rude” about Susan’s comment, unless you consider the truth to be rude.
Everyone has to answer for their behavior on This Ain’t Hell – just like the way Sheehan doesn’t have to answer for her treatment of every single veteran she’s come face-to-face with who doesn’t happen to agree with her. The same way Elaine Brower gets to come on this blog and demean veterans who don’t agree with her.
As far as Robert Chiroux is concerned, he’s entitled to his opinion, and a forum to state that opinion – no less than Matthis is allowed a forum for his opinion. This blog is world renowned for finding the truth and publishing it – just because you don’t happen to like the truth, that doesn’t make it less valuable.
Expect that when someone on your side is less than honest, this blog will be there to point it out. If you don’t like it, then find someone on the Left who is truthful to present your point of view.
I just think it’s hilarious that you took the time out to scold everyone here for telling the truth, yet you see nothing wrong with Matthis and Elaine being bold-faced liars.
Susan – If you haven’t lost a son or daughter in this war that how dare you judge the actions of someone who has. First, Cindy’s position on the war before her son joined doesn’t change the outcome. Second, kids don’t alway agree with their parents so even if their sons disagreed with them, it shouldn’t make a difference. Finally, to allude that either Cindy’s or Elaine’s sons had no love for their mothers is downright classless. I say again – CLASSLESS. I can’t and won’t speak for their sons, but I will tell you this: If someone ever claimed that I didn’t love my Mom because she was against the war and I was in the military, I would tell them to shut the fuck up and mind their own fucking business.
That’s Sunsara Taylor at 2:08. She’s a writer for “Revolution” magazine and HUGE Lefty.
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You sure that’s Sunsara? She must have cut her hair.
I met Sunsara a few years ago when she was carting former Marine Sergeant “NOT-a-Communist” Madden (co-founder of the Appeal for Redress campaign) around on her dog-and-pony show at college campuses — maybe 3 years ago. Grim woman, cold, never smiles. Communist. Founder of the Communist front-group, “World Can’t Wait.” Bill O’Reilly loves her. Heh..
Poor little brave victim he is. Pardon the following salty language, but he really is a fuckstick.
I never said they didn’t love their mothers; presumably they do. However, they knew their mothers and their mother’s opinions and made decisions their parents don’t agree with anyway. Further, Cindy, has exploited her son’s death for her fifteen minutes and I find that disgusting. I respect her son’s service and mourn his death – last I heard she hadn’t even gotten around to getting him a headstone.
As to Elaine Brower, I am sure her son loves her, however if he doesn’t think her opinion on the war merits him making a change in his profession, I don’t think I have to listen to her either. Further, would anybody listen to her or give her the microphone based on anything but her son’s service? If she wants to be against the war, that is her privilege. I think, however, it is classless of her to exploit her son’s service for her fifteen.
Finally, as to Mr. Chiroux – he initially stood by his son – until his son threw him under the bus and accused him of abuse and otherwise made it clear he was only in it for the fame. Mr. Chiroux can’t control his son and his exploitation of the war for his own purposes, so all that is left for him to do is to respectfully disagree and apologize for his son’s antics – which he has done. He has never used it for self-promotion or to obtain money, speaking engagements, or other opportunities which puts him head and shoulders above those two women.
You can think I am classless all you want, but I think the claims these folks make about genocide are far worse and exploiting their sons’ service for their 15 minutes is disgusting.
Stacy, I’m guessing you’re a newly recruited Matthis acolyte. Like Casey suggested to the film maker… you might want to check your facts before weighing in here. Most of the people posting the truth about Matthis on this site and others know or knew him. And most have been burned. Especially his family.
Well, freebirdnavybrat (#15), I’m staying out of that one, however, offhand, I know of only one Stacy who understands from firsthand experience about different opinions present within the same family, and if it is the same Stacy I know of, she is no new recruit to anything.
My mother was pretty much antiwar while I grew up, but always showed respect to the Vietnam Vets making their way home.
I was with her one day as a 6 year old when in New Haven, CT, we saw a jungle fatigued clad Veteran get spit on. My mother grabbed my hand and squeezed the life out of it as she told me never, ever, ever to disrespect a soldier. She stopped and handed the dude a tissue to wipe himself off.
She actually hated that my brother and I served. But she never said a single word about it or our friends, the ones who did go to war. She got it, you see. She raised us so that we would follow our hearts and do what made us happy.
And instead of tearing us down, she supported it. THAT is the selfless job of a mother. Instead, we have people calling themselves victims because they signed up for something they don’t agree with. Or the mothers paint themselves as political victims because a son has made the ultimate sacrifice.
Touble is, those people Chiroux, Brower’s mother, and Cindy Sheehag don’t get it and never will.
When your kids go to war, you should stand behind them as opposed to saying how much you hate it and don’t want them to go. And when you sign up voluntarily to serve and it ain’t what you thought, you shut your mouth, drive on until the job is done.
Nowadays,my mother defines life as before 9/11 and after and she often says if she could, she would serve to kick some terrorist ass. She is awake, and more proud now than when we actually served. That’s my Mutti.
“Susan – If you haven’t lost a son or daughter in this war that how dare you judge the actions of someone who has.”
Why not?
We have people “judge” other people all the time despite juries often being made up of people who are neither criminals nor victims.
I have no children, and will happily judge any damn person I please. That’s a “chickenhawk” argument and those are pretty much all stupid.
Calling the war against 9th Century barbarians in Afganistan “genocide” if the kind of dishonest rhetoric that should make any honest person spit. Want to be taken seriously? Stop making grandiose chracterizations about terms and events you clearly have no understanding of. Want to learn about genocide my little antiwar friends. Head to the nearest library and look up “Armenians”, “Holocaust” and “Pol Pot” if you want to understand how your bogus comparison demeans the horror of these real instances of genocide.
My Mom spoke out just once at a rally. She spoke about the sacrifice of Military Families, but she did it with class and not to pump herself up. I knew she was going to do it before she did it, I was still in Iraq. So we talked it over. Everything went fine. She didn’t rant a rave like the others. I feel for those who have lost, but when I see Cindy Sheehan disrespect someone in uniform, I have to ask myself if her fight is no longer about her son, but for a more self-serving reason?
Casey, you are right about Cindy Sheehag. She has been self-serving for several years. Her son had re-enlisted knowing the dangers ahead. She met with Bush and didn’t have a problem with him at that time. It was only later that she swerved off the road. Since then, it has nothing to do with her son and everything to do with politics; otherwise, she can’t use meeting uncle Hugo with the death of her son. She can’t continue to verbally abuse armed forces personnel, as she has done many times, and still not realize that they are the sons and daughters of other mothers, and claim it’s about her son. It stopped being about her son long ago.
Indeed, Casey. I had the “pleasure”of attending a Sheehag event. And the woman is not advocating anything but herself. It was despicable. And then I met the Mom whose son was the best friend of Casey. And according to her, Casey knew the dangers but he wanted to re-enlist because that is what was right for him. This is continually lost on his mother, the political victim of GWB.
If it was really about her son, I have no doubt, that like others who have lost sons, they would seek to continue to support what their sons loved and died for. I wish I could remember the last name of one father,Robert, whose son was Mike. There is a shining example of putting aside personal feelings and making a difference. Sheehag is no such person and never will be.
Grief Grief affects people in different ways. Mother Sheehan is a weak person and she allowed people “who cared” to manipulate her grief into anger. Some groups can only survive and get support by sticking their claws into a person that is fragile and vulnerable.
Point of order, John.
Not all of them are hairy-legged.
it’s nice to know you are all still as stupid as ever! Did you ever think that my son is with me? Loves me? No, because you are afraid of differing opinions, and you just love to kill people. why don’t you all just kill yourselves off and leave the rest of us alone. For your info, I have a full time career for 35 years, and don’t need your damn wars, so go move somewhere else and blow up your own houses! It might be fun for you.
“No, because you are afraid of differing opinions, and you just love to kill people. why don’t you all just kill yourselves off and leave the rest of us alone.”
Yes, you’re not afraid of differing opinions. You just advocate that those who think different should kill themselves. I bet you dream that you could just kill them yourself. Why don’t you then? Yeah. That could be the ticket. Strike a REAL blow for the peace movement against the war mongers. Come on Elaine.
Just do it. You know you want to.
Following in Carl Webb’s shoes are we?
Elaine; you are entitled to your opinion, but there is nothing in that little piece of paper called the Constitution that says I have to agree with it. That’s called freedom. Why should we have to move? You are free to go anywhere you would like. I have an idea; why don’t you go and tell the AQ terrorists, responsible for killing 3000 people, that they need to stop killing and to go somewhere’s else? Once they are through using you for propaganda purposes, they will kill you for your trouble. Does that sound like fun?
What you fail to realize is that not everyone in the world has the rose colored outlook on things that you and the rest of the “give peace a chance” crowd has. No one likes war and killing, however, rough men stand ready to do the things required to keep you safe. Safe and free to be able to spout your drivel. If you really want to get a taste of oppression, may I suggest going to the Taliban and tell them that they have no right to throw acid on little girls who want the chance to go to school?
My favorite was when the chuckleheads were going to be “human shields” in Iraq to stop us from attacking. Saddam’s people had different venues picked out for them to “shield”, so the little darlings got a real good taste of what Saddam thought of them real quick.
Living in a rather free and safe enviroment here in the US doesn’t mean everyone lives like that and I find it rather selfish on your part that you don’t want those same things for others.
“it’s nice to know you are all still as stupid as ever!”
Some of us are recovering from stupid, you apparently are stuck on it. Pull up a chair and feel free to drool on the window of our little yellow bus.
TSO, you forgot to mention the helmet
Ms. Brower, I do not agree with everything said on this site. But when you lash out like that, you are lashing out at Vets. Doesn’t it strike you as very disrespectful? I know others have been that way towards you, but why lash back at them in such a way?
It’s words like yours, and the actions of others, that have made many of us leave the anti-war movement. I still help Soldiers, and I am against the wars, but why side with people who prop fake and phony vets like Matthis or talk to others the way you have in the above post?
Ma’am, disrespect is no excuse for disrespect.
Casey, John, others:
It’s been a while–hope you are all doing well. I am a member of the peace movement whose concerned about having an honest conversation, and with making sure when we put people forward to talk about their experiences that we can verify them before giving them a forum. Would you be willing to spell out the process you use for verifying/debunking claims like the ones above?
Hey, how have you been?
If you do not know DC he is a good guy and is a interesting read if I do not always agree( which would be about most of the time.)
Hey, how have you been?
If you do not know DC he is a good guy and is a interesting read if I do not always agree.( which would be about most of the time.)
Sporkmaster and I almost never agree, which is why we like each other.
I am good. I keep telling you that “next week things will be slower” and it’s always a lie.
I understand that, I have not been commenting much becuase I did not want to overload you with comments.
DC, very well said. I am not fond of these wars but view them like Gen. Colin Powell and the lead up to Iraq, “If you break it, you own it”. We own it so let’s get it done and bring our people home. That being said, in the process of properly vetting my son, whom already seems to have a forum, what questions can I answer for you?
“Ms. Brower, I do not agree with everything said on this site. But when you lash out like that, you are lashing out at Vets.”
I’m not a vet! She can talk as dirty to me as she likes.
Well, I’m interested in what documentation you’d need to request and from whom, and how you go about doing it. I know this would probably differ for each service branch, etc. And my request isn’t related to any person in particular, just in general. This is so I will know how to do this in the future for any vets whose story I help publicize, etc.
I normally don’t like to leave comments about films that I’ve made, but I’d just like to clear up a comment that The Sniper made. He stated, “I love how Chirroux can’t even look the interviewer in the eye when he claims to be an Afghanistan Vet. What a post-op tranny vagina he is.” However, being the interviewer, I know that this is untrue. Chirroux didn’t look into my eye because I was looking at him through a viewfinder from behind the camera. Other than that I really don’t want to say anything else. I respect the fact that many of the posters on this site have served and I respect their right to have their own views. Other than clearing up elementary school like name calling based on misinterpretations, I’ll let my film speak for itself.
I agree on the name calling thing. But my comment was a respectful one. Fact checking will make your films stronger in their integrity. People will be more apt to listen to your viewpoint when you are solid in your facts in your own words, and the words of those you put in front of your lens.
Regarding comment #6, just what is a combat role in the military? Is it a relative of subjective definition? Is a mechanic a combat soldier?
When did you ever see Cindy Sheehan disrespect someone in uniform?
Still having that old problem of trying to string coherent thoughts together, Carl? Seems it’s so. Did you get booted from someone’s couch again?
And, it seems that reading #43, you’re trying to make Matthis into a combat vet, for sitting in the ice cream parlor?
Carl Webb asks, “When did you ever see Cindy Sheehan disrespect someone in uniform?”
Well, one time when Ward Reilly and I were having one of our infamous arguments, which was during a march to New Orleans (I don’t recall our exact geographical location at that time, but it was somewhere along the Gulf coast, heading in the direction of New Orleans), Cindy Sheehan interrupted and demanded of me in an accusing tone of voice, “Are you picking on my friend Ward Reilly??”
From my perspective, it was always quite the other way around, i.e., Ward Reilly always picking on poor me, so I actually felt a little disrespected by Cindy that day. Well, okay, I wasn’t exactly in uniform…but I’m sure I was at least wearing a Veterans For Peace T-shirt…
What’s with this disrepect crap? You can go kill people, but you don’t like being “disrespected”? Grow up, all of you. Take a hit like a “man” and go on with your lives. I’ll say it again, if you want to go kill people, try each other, the world would be a better place for it. And take the terrorists with you because you all belong together anyway!
Ms. Brower: You have absolutely no clue of what you whine about. Since you seem to think that we all want to kill people; do me a favor and ask your son if he wants to kill people. Can you do that for me?? How stupid do you have to be to think that military people “want to kill people”? Your world wouldn’t exist if we didn’t stop those that want to kill you. You talk about the terroists wanting to kill people; yeah they do and you are one of them.
I have heard your rants and I think you are the one who needs to grow up. You have this utopian outlook that is all hand holding and kumbaya and everything will be all rainbows and unicorns, yet you have the stupid nerve to tell us we need to grow up? Let me know when you wake up from your delusional dreamworld and come back to reality.
Trooper–my guess is she’ll wake up about 1/2 a second after Achmed’s serrated blade starts sawing through her windpipe.
Ms. Brower, I assume that last comment was for me in part. A very outspoken critic of the wars, mostly Iraq because I went there. Well, I won’t insult you or lash out at you regardless. I understand leaving a comment out of anger, but doing in the manner which you have, well, I’m very sorry for your hatred.
Elaine,
You do realize that you are able to run her mouth because of the very people you wish death upon?
In case you missed the news, Iran just sentenced to DEATH the protestors who committed the crime of protesting the presidential election in Iran.
While here in the U.S. complete strangers that you HATE with every fiber of your being are willing to put their life on the line so that you can live another day in freedom and continue to be an ungrateful receiver of their protection.
Ponder that while you stare at your yellowed and frayed circa 2000 “Selected Not Elected” poster.
And while you try to come to grips with that, I will go and read another forum where we discuss the relative hold overs for a man sized target at 600 meters based on a 100 and 200 meter zero.