A Little Review of Statistics

| September 29, 2019

With primaries coming up sometime soon, and “take yer guns” on the lips of some Democrats (e.g., Swallwell, O’Rourke, Buttigieg, Durbin, et al.) when they get the microphone and camera, it’s time a few statistics were brought up about the CDC’s statistics on death rates.

Homicide by gun as a cause of death is NOT the leading cause of death in the USA, per the CDC.

Of the leading causes of death in the U.S., death by homicide isn’t as prevalent as it often seems. Homicide or assault deaths affect 5 per 100,000 people in the United States, killing nearly 16,000 people every year. About 11,000 of those deaths relate specifically to firearm-related homicides.

Gun-related deaths rank last, at #15.

Statistics are at this link: https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-fitness/these-are-the-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-u-s.html/

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the USA, NOT guns. Accidents, including vehicular accidents rank even lower than heart disease.  The CDC estimates about 610,000 people die from this condition every year. Your age, race, ethnicity, family history, and daily lifestyle behaviors all contribute to your heart disease risk.  Unfortunately, it’s the leading cause of death among both men and women. – article

610,000 people dying from heart disease-related causes versus 11,000 homicides by someone using a gun seems like an incredibly wide gap to use as propaganda to take away someone’s right to engage in self-defense through legal gun ownership.

It seems to me that finding a way to reduce heart disease is far more important than the issue of guns.

Category: "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves", "Truth or fiction?", DC Government, Gun Grabbing Fascists

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  1. 11B-Mailclerk says:

    Careful. You might inspire the Donks to ban Assault Burgers, and Saturday Night Sliders.

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      I have assaulted many a burger in my days. They lost the fight and were consumed in the gusto. Just today some Applewood smoked bacon and a stacked of real butter pancakes drowned in cane syrup, sacrificed on the plate altar.

      The gunz, food, or lifestyle Gestapo are everywhere. I’m gonna die, eventually if not sooner, of something. I will go out with a full tummy and a happy palate. Cookie?

      Screw these control freaks; sit down, shut up, and quit trying to run my life. I can neither confirm nor deny that this 12 gg shottie within hands reach has been leaning in that corner for 6 years without a single involuntary discharge.

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Left:

        You. Must. Not. Be.

        -Happy-.

        • Graybeard says:

          I believe the Khmer Rouge exemplified that attitude – as do socialists/communists everywhere.

        • MI Ranger says:

          If the government admitted that guns are not the problem and heart disease truly is…they would be forced to explain why they made us all fat!
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7vJZAYoFPk
          explains it pretty well. The Food Pyramid that we were all taught in school, and its war on saturated fats is about as shoddy of science as the Global Warming initiative! (Yes, the earth warms and cools, but Humans have about as much input to it as ants do to deforestation!) One single Volcano erupting puts the last six hundred years to shame on “green house gas” emissions! How many have erupted in the last six hundred years? I can count six in just my lifetime.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I found something very interesting yesterday. Thanks to the foodies who investigate such things, I found an article on how kale is one of those plants that absorb heavy metals like lead and thallium from the soil, and release it in small amount, which accumulate over time.

      Waht that means is that one bowl of kale soup, with some small cut pieces of kale leaf included in it, won’t give you metal poisoning, but a constant diet of kale smoothies and other kale dishes (including kale ice cream – kid you not!) WILL give you metal poisoning.

      And kale smoothies are a Very Big Deal at yuppie/greenbean places.

      Maybe instead of kale soup, I’ll just change it over to bok choy/Chinese cabbage, because the recipe doesn’t require a lot of it.

  2. Sarge says:

    If the dems were that smart, they would just ban republicans.

    I’ve got a crazy idea just to let the dems have control for four years. Absolute control.

    Just to see how fucked up things get.

    It would be a nightmare and even worse to try to fix it.

  3. 3/10/MED/b says:

    “WE’LL TAKE YOUR BUTTER!!!”

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Try to find it first! 🙂 That, and beef, pork and other frozen assets!

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      For my cold, dead hands.

      And I will have -lots- of company.

    • A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

      Just TRY TO take the lard that I like to cook fries in and see what happens, let alone the Bacon I enjoy…
      As to the self-commissioned Diet Police types, I can honestly say that I have multiple Ancestors who were reached their Nineties that enjoyed eggs and bacon as well as food fried in lard all their lives and I’ll do the same!

  4. OWB says:

    They will simply never understand that lack of control by someone other than me needs no alteration in my behavior at all. Except perhaps to drive defensively, and try to stay out of the way of those who find some way to abuse just about anything they can reach. Or steal.

    We who are already obeying the law don’t need more laws. They just want to control us. It really is that simple. Can’t have folks running around loose who are willing and able to take care of themselves.

  5. Duane says:

    I look at the top 5 killers, and I have to wonder – if the same money being spent on the “anti-gun” legislation and efforts was being spent on any one of these, how much of an impact would it have? The canned “but if it saves even 1 child” should be responded to with a “but if we can cure cancer, wouldn’t that save more than 1 child?” – I would personally love to hear their answers on that.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Good grief. If they actually solve a problem, they have to stop scolding and shrieking about it.

      They can’t allow that.

      • ArmyATC says:

        Very true. Democrats held both the House and Senate during the first two years of the Obama administration. They could have done anything they wanted on gun control. But all wwe heard were crickets. They didn’t bang the gun control drum again until after they lost control of Congress. To me, that’s proof that the Dems really don’t want to change anything. They simply want “issues” they can use to beat Republicans.

      • SFC D says:

        See also; “Sharpton, Al.”

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      “The canned “but if it saves even 1 child”…”
      Use that line on an Anti-Vaxxer and watch their heads explode…

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Better screening of Donk fundraisers might better protect children.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        Anti-vaxxers: no, let’s not get our kids inoculated against whooping cough.

        Now there are 6 – SIX – confirmed cases in this area, and more will likely be cropping up before long. And we have their anti-vaxx parents to blame for it.

        • Fyrfighter says:

          The anti-vaxxers allow it to spread, but it doesn’t pop up from nowhere… in most cases, it starts with un-screened illegals bringing it from whatever third world shithole they came from. Both issues need to be addressed in order to actually solve the problem.

          • Mason says:

            I wouldn’t blame illegals for all of it. The cosmopolitan anti-vaxxing world traveler is just as much a threat vector. The same people that are against vaccines are the ones who love going to third world shitholes because they need to virtue signal that they care.

            • Fyrfighter says:

              Good point. Add that to the list of issues that need to be addressed… stop allowing those fools back in without proper vaccinations, or quarantine them for a month upon return, an that might slow it down..

            • Ex-PH2 says:

              “… quarantine them for a month upon return….”

              Now, there’s an idea I could live with. Think of the howling, the weeping the wailing, the gnashing of teeth, the odor of shoes worn 24 hours a day for at least a month!!!

              The mind boggles over it… or something.

              • 11B-Mailclerk says:

                Let’s not add yet another arbitrary power to detain to the everyday playbook for ordinary folks, hmmm?

                Some flight attendant with messed-up paperwork spends a month in jail? Some PFC on emergency leave with a “missing shot record” gets locked uo because he pissed off a medic or clerk?

                Just think of all the incompetence or malice you attribute to your political opponents.

                Nah. Has to be a better way.

  6. ArmyATC says:

    I don’t like using those stats or arguments because the counter-arguments are “we need vehicles for the nation’s commerce,” and “heart disease and other medical issues are self imposed or hereditary.” Simply pointing out that other issues cause far more deaths in the US opens one up to charges of deflection. Or the anti-gun fanatics simply say they are going to push for restrictions on the things that cause those deaths also. These are the people who ban plastic straws, so it’s not a great leap for them to go after your cheeseburger.

    A better argument, in my opinion (YMMV) is to attack the anti-gun argument directly using easy to find facts. For example, there are several studies that show we truly don’t have a “gun problem” nationwide. The vast majority of “gun violence” and “gun murders” are restricted to several cities and counties.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/jan/09/special-report-fixing-gun-violence-in-america

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/20/mapping-gun-murders-micro-level-new-data-2015

    https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

    This data shows that if one doesn’t live in certain neighborhoods in certain cities and isn’t involved in gangs, drugs, or other criminal behaviors, the risk of being a victim of “gun violence” is approximately .1%.

    Some of the information may be a bit older, but it’s still relevant.

    To the argument that there is no reason to own a gun because they are rarely used in self defense, simply turn to this report;

    https://reason.com/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o/

    which comes from this study;

    https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

    Most anti-gun fanatics talk about “universal” background checks as a panacea for mass shootings. They can’t tell you how the background checks will stop such crimes, but they push that nonsense anyway. A good can be found in the following study. Californiahas had”universal” background checks for about twenty years. A recent study found that it had very little to no effect on crime.

    https://health.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/13362

    For those who want to ban “assault weapons” or as they now call them “assault rifles,” a simple check of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report shows that more people are killed by knives, blunt objects, and “personal weapons (hands, fists, feet) than all rifle types combined.

    https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ucr/publications

    Then there’s the definition of the term “assault rifle” that even confuses some gun owners, many who insist that they simply don’t exist. They do, and there’s a specific definition for the term that can be found in DIA Pub DST-1110H-394-76, page 105. “Assault rifles are short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges. Assault rifles have mild recoil characteristics and, because of this, are capable of delivering effective full automatic fire at ranges up to 300 meters.”

    http://bulletpicker.com/pdf/DST%201110H-394-76,%20Small%20Arms%20ID%20Operations%20Guide%20Euraisian%20Communist%20Countries%20(Aug%201983).pdf

    I know that for the rabid anti-gunners – like Beta O’Dork and Cory “Spartacus” Booker – no amount of data, research, or argument will change their minds. I make my arguments for those who are on the fence or open to change – many who simply believed the media driven anti-gun hype – giving them the facts and data that could sway them or at at least get them to rethink their position.

    • rgr769 says:

      Universal (private party sale) background check laws are simply a means to create a data-base of all firearm owners, the functional equivalent of a gun registry. They have no effect on people determined to kill themselves or shoot someone else, or use of a firearm in a serious felony, like robbery or home invasion. It is no surprise that California’s law has had no effect on crime or suicide rates by firearms.

      The purpose of every gun registry scheme is to empower government to find and seize firearms from its citizens. An unarmed crowd is easy to control with well-armed men who are sanctioned to shoot people who refuse to disperse.

      • ArmyATC says:

        I agree. That’s the only way they could even be remotely effective. And it’s also the reason Democrats aren’t going to allow citizens to call into the system themselves.

        I’m not philosophically opposed to “universal” background checks. But I do oppose the way Democrats want to impose it. There’s no reason why a citizen can’t call into the system themselves and run a background check on someone they’re selling a gun to. There’s no reason a citizen should have to pay a third party a fee to sell his or her private property. There’s no reason a background check can’t be accomplished online. Walmart can do it. Why can’t we? Oh, yeah. That would remove Big Daddy gubmint from the equation and put the power back into the hands of the people where it belongs.

        What the Democrat version of “universal” background checks will do is allow the government to build a database of guns and gun owners. It will also drive up the cost of a background check – from the current $25 – $200+ to $100 – $350+ – that will push the poor and even many middle class citizens out of the ability to buy a gun and exercise their 2nd Amendment right.

  7. Club Manager, USA ret. says:

    Little Rock has had 35 murders so far this year, Pine Bluff 25. All with a hand gun, usually stolen. So no assault rifle. No background check. Reason there is no Dumbocrat outrage is these were primarily black on black events.

  8. A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

    When asked why the crime rate in places like Chicongo, libtards babble that it’s the availability of guns in surrounding locales. So if that’s true, then why the lower crime rates in places where guns are far more available, towns like Kennessaw, GA?

  9. rgr769 says:

    Let us not forget that medical care errors kill somewhere between 250K to 400K U.S. residents every year. The exact numbers are not known because mistakes by doctors and other healthcare professionals tend to get buried along with their victims.

  10. ArmyATC says:

    I had an interesting conversation with my physical therapist yesterday. Somehow we ended up on the subject of guns when she said, “I just wish we could get those damned automatic weapons off the streets.” It was readily apparent that she had listend to and believed everything the anti-gun fanatics and the media had told her. She was surprised when I told her that for all intents and purposes automatic weapons and so-called “assault rifles” were already banned, that no citizens could own one made after May of 1986. I went on to explain the difference between automatic weapons and true assault rifles, and semi-auto firearms. I also explained “bump fire” to her- using the recoil impulse to “simulate” automatice fire – and how I could do the same thing with a stick, rubber band, or even my finger in a belt loop. She was astounded that the anti-gun folks and the media would feed her lies. By the end of the conversation, she had reversed her opinion on gun bans and confiscations. It was 40 minutes well spent.

  11. Docduracoat says:

    Why are you using logic and rational arguments against Gun control?
    Gun control is not meant to stop murder, fight terrorism ,crime or any of the other so-called reasons given for these laws.
    You will note that none of these laws are targeted against the areas where all the murders occur .
    These are all against ordinary citizens .
    The only reason the left wants to disarm the citizens is because they plan to oppress the people.

    They know that the people would resist and would shoot back against their oppressors.
    That is why our only strategy is no compromise any issue ever.
    Bumpstocks, magazine capacity, background checks, red flag laws, etc…NO!
    Because all these little infringements add up to complete civilian disarmament.

  12. rgr769 says:

    The FBI’s 2018 crime statistics are out. Five times more people were killed with knives and other edged weapons that those killed with all types of rifles, including .22 rifles and single shot rifles. I imagine if we just compared AR style semi-auto rifles, the ratio would be more like ten to one knives to AR’s/AK variants.