The Las Vegas massacre
Sunday night, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock killed 59 people and injured more than 500 others from a 32nd Floor hotel room and few hundred yards from a country band concert in Las Vegas. Police were able to breach the door to his room and when they did, Paddock killed himself. I waited sometime for the noise to quiet down and to let the hot air of the media cleanse the BS out of the story.
For example, ISIS claimed that Paddock was a recent convert to Islam, but there’s no evidence of that. Folks on the Right scrubbed Facebook looking for ways to blame the Left for brain-washing Paddock, but all they did was further muddy the waters. They’ve posted pictures they say are Paddock wearing a vagina hat, but all of you old white guys look alike to me. It’s a jungle out there.
Google and Facebook were working overtime yesterday to clear out the fake news from their news search feeds.
It looks like Paddock was just someone with a lot of money (he had 24 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition in his room and 19 other guns at home) who liked guns and for some reason that’s unexplained so far, decided to blast away out the window of his room at a large crowd of concert-goers, and he’d been planning it for several days, while his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, was outside the country.
Some heroes arose out of the mess, like Army veteran Robert Ledbetter who helped to treat many of the wounded around him.
There was Sunny Melton, a 29-year-old nurse from Tennessee who was killed protecting his wife an orthopedic surgeon when he was shot in the back. From Fox News;
Los Angeles fire captain, Mark McCurdy, was attending the concert with his wife and sister-in-law and managed to carry his injured in-law back to their room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel before turning around and heading back out to help others. His friend, fellow firefighter Steve Keys, was shot in the chest and wounded while performing CPR on another victim.
Some zeroes arose from the mess, too, like “Almost SEAL” Instagram star, Dan Bilzerian who we’ve written about before, but he drew the ire of Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyers when Bilzerian couldn’t summon the fortitude to help the wounded while he was filming himself running from the scene.
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At least it wasn’t a veteran. The media would love to blame it on the military and “PTSD”. Sadly, it was a gun lover.
He’s no gun lover.
His brother said he was never a gun guy and was surprised that he had amassed the collection – he thought Paddock had only a few guns like a handgun and a couple of rifles.
Surprised about the amount and type of guns, and also averring (very sincerely on TV) that his brother was devoid of political and religious affiliations.
I believe the brother is telling the truth as he saw it. I don’t think he saw the whole truth.
This guy is no lone wolf either! Someone was behind him, he is a stinking accountant! He planned all this, set up tri pods, a platform, employees going in and out of the room don’t see this stuff? bullshyt! How many muslims work in the Mandalay? if not them, how about a brainwashing by the NWO, Illuminati, etc etc, the gun control had quietened down, they wanted to stir it up again! Don’t forget the scum soros either! lots of cockroaches out there!
Do not disturb sign keeps the staff out fairly well.
Duffels andd suitcases hide the tools rather well.
Larry Corriea is an accountant. Also extremely knowledgeable about guns and their use. Look him up. His books are great entertaining reading.. I recommend the “Monster Hunter” series.
You might be surprised just how much a nerd with disposable income can learn to accomplish.
Nothing he did getting to or at the hotel required a second person. Just time money aand effort.
Sometimes evil and madness are simply evil and madness. There is plenty of it out there.
Also no end of folks who try to make political hay off this tragedy. “Dancing int he blood” I believe it is called. We need to -not- be adding to that. It is spectacularly unhelpful.
lily,
This is probably more relevant to the discussion:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201209/mass-murderers-some-people-deserve-be-killed
Also:
https://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooter-target-country-music-festival/
Has this site ever done a DD-214 check on “Dan Bilzerian”? He got into a spat with Dakota Meyer. The guy claims to have served “in the Navy” and went through “SEAL School” not BUD/S up until the last day before he was dropped because his instructors didn’t like him. Now he is a Millionaire Playboy. Would be interesting to see if he was even Honorably discharged.
Yes, Jonn linked it above.
This is one of many reasons way the Skippy clan left Vegas I was sick of the violence, it’s becoming a great place to have a last horah. That year we moved from there a friend and navy master chief who made sure
I made it to landshtul after being seriously injured in Iraq
Stopped in town with his family only to see a massive shooting on the strip right in front of there hotel
I had been a reservist when I was injured so the process was a nightmare but when I was retired the job I had for gaming was gone and the part time job I had as a plain clothes security officers at Mandalay Bay, I let it go also to focus on my recovery I have my former FTO two very dear friends that were seriously injured one may have already passed but I’m waiting for the call. But on the flip side many folks I know did a awesome job
THATS ALL
How about this: Guns are neither good nor bad; they are neutral. It’s people who do good with guns (think Feel-Good Stories) or bad (like this mass shooting).
Forget gun control; we need people control. More specifically, the Golden Rule.
Yep … the Golden Rule …
The NWO, the communists, the socialists, the dumocraps…ALL want your guns, but they don’t tell you, they want you defenseless, go out there and get killed, thats their goal…
It is -impossible- to crazy-proof a free society.
If that nut job had spend half as much money, on fertilizer and a truck, he could have killed -thousands- by dropping the hotel or fragging the concert.
It is -impossible- to crazy-proof a free society. It is also impossible to crazy-proof a police state.
So can we please skip the discussions of how much more police state we need in order to pretend we are crazy-proofing society?
According to a mid-day news report, he did have several bags of ammonia fertilizer in his car or truck.
Exactly!
I cannot fathom how someone could have that kind of hate or no conscious about inflicting harm. The word monster comes to mind. Hopefully the authorities will put all the pieces together. I am praying for the victims, their families, and our nation.
Stone- see my first link to lily’s post, above.
It is a lady who has, evidently, interviewed and studies mass murderers. It gives a good, if chilling, look at what is going on with these people.
I’m just guessing, but probably not a veteran I hope.
that was ruled out early on.
NRA Member?
The immediate reaction on the street after this was not ‘guns are the problem’, but rather, ‘we need do find out what the problem is’. That’s a lot less panicky than the media hype that occurred after the elementary school shooting.
The problem is not the means, but the person who does these things. Since Paddock had no debts or other issues, and his own brother was gob-smacked by it, what was the reason behind his going off the short pier like this?
Since he offed himself when the police found his room, we may never know. Obviously, something disturbed him, but some there was, some 30 years ago, a girl who decided to shoot up kids on the school playground across from her house because, in her words, she “hated Mondays”.
I’d like to wait for answers before anything else.
Paddock was so outside the ‘expected image’ of a mass shooter that I almost expect his autopsy to show a brain tumor. Unless he left a note or something outlining why he did this, it seem likely we will never know just what set him off. Given the planning and prep, he had to have been considering this for some time.
In regard to “expected image”, I learned a long time ago in Criminology class, one of those social studies class you have to take to graduate, that there is no such thing as a criminal type. So using a term like “expected image” dismisses sadistic murderers like Ted Bundy, a serial killer who was a good-looking, well-liked and very popular guy when he wasn’t stalking and killing women.
There is NO SUCH THING as an ‘expected image’ or a ‘criminal type’.
This guy had stuff in his head that we’ll never know about because he killed himself when he knew the police were about to stop him.
That’s it. End of story.
I live in Vegas. The news reports down here are saying he retired with a lot of money and decided to become a professional gambler. He was extremely antisocial and apparently he recently suffered massive gambling losses.
I heard that he had a bunch of gambling losses and his antisocial disposition, I wonder what we’ll hear in days to come?
RIP..
to a great leader a friend and a brother in arms
Nevada Army Guardsman
Sgt. 1st Class Charleston Hartfield
Thank you for your service to country and community
As a LVMPD Officer to
As always you put those around you first
You will not be forgotten
Thank you for posting this. All too often, we see tragedy in terms of numbers. Seeing the name of a human life lost helps remind us that these numbers represent the human family.
Thanks again.
I’m sorry for the loss of your friend Skippy. God be with you and his family. No he will never be forgotten.
I am so sorry, Skippy ! God Bless him and comfort those who knew him personally.
My condolences for your friend. That is a shame.
Condolences Skippy.
Sorry, Skippy.
Sorry for your loss Skippy, Prayers out.
Jonn, what I have been waiting for is to read about the weapons here. Clearly he modified a semi into an auto, no big deal if you file the sear (at least on my M1A1 carbine). But the range look pretty long for a semi. I would appreciate someone covering that, perhaps in a separate post so it does not get gobbled up in this one.
Thanks.
I think you’re reading too much into this, CM. Bump-fire stocks and binary triggers will essentially do the same thing, and are easily installed. As for accuracy, he was firing at a crowd of 22,000 so marksmanship was not an issue.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/10/03/las-vegas-shooting-photos-show-killers-guns.html
Article has pics of a couple of the melt-down’s rifles. The bump-fire stock is clearly visible on the right hand pic.
Free floated?
So is the Surefire one hundred round mag in the same rifle. Alas.
On the other hand, most folks wont recognize the “double wide” magazine.I have never seen one that worked right. (Of course, it could be a “bubba-gun” problem too)
Ditto the “drums” for rifles. The only ones I have seen on the range that were actually working reliably were original Soviet RPD drums, not the cheap knock-off drums from China.
I cannot recall ever seeing a 5.56 device over 30 capacity that worked reliably. Not to where I would bet on them, anyway.
Others may know good drum-type/hi-caps for rifles, but I think they are rare, and seldom found on tables at shows.
First pictures I’ve seen of the weapons. I hate to say he has an Eotech like mine on that gun. The recordings sounded like a heavier caliber than 223.
One of the worst things after the senseless slaughter was the horrific and stupid comments about firearms and the people somehow getting what they deserved
The rifle on the left looks like a .308/7.62mm Nato not a .223. According to recent reports he had 12 rifles in his suite with bump-fire stocks installed on them.
Good eye. I concur.
If you look at the spare magazine on the floor, it dwarfs the empty 5.56 brass. That makes it likely a 7.62 NATO. It appears to be the same as the magazine in the rifle on the left.
While the media is still speculating on the type and caliber of the rifle(s) used – that range is nowhere near outside the max effective of most high-power rifles. Especially with an elevated position. In addition – for this kook’s purposes, accuracy was not a concern. Hence, the full-auto. Full-auto and accuracy are two items that almost never co-exist, at least in a shoulder-fired weapon. Spray and pray is an effective aiming technique when trying to incite panic and create mass casualties.
I can attest to that to some degree. WAR STORY ALERT: When I fired a .45 cal grease gun from the shoulder, I hit the target about 50 feet away but had one hell of a ringing sound between my ears. When I fired the .50 cal air cooled light machine gun, it was pretty much spray and pray. However, when I went to full auto with the 30.06 BAR, I did a reasonable job of hitting the barrel way down range. Don’t recall ever firing the M-2 carbine on full auto but may have. Do those weapons date me?
CM
Yes they date you.
Was it really a .50 cal LMG. I always considered the Ma Deuce a heavy machine gun with the 30 cal being a light machine gun.
The three rifle calibers I’ve heard bandied about are .223 (5.56×45) .308 (7.62×51) and 7.62×39. They are adequate to 300 meters which is what the high end of the range I’ve read about the target area.
My impression is it was a spray and pray type situation and with 22,000 folks packed in I don’t know if killing the stage lights would do any good. The street and traffic lights were enough to provide aimpoints of the target area.
In the European fashion, he could have used a van and perhaps, er, nevermind. We qualified annually with the service rifle with a course of fire at ranges from two to six hundred meters (~650′ to ~1968′ as did most of you. This bastard only had to hit a parking lot. Fu©ker!
DOUG out
I agree. Some of us refer the shooting tactic as “plunging fire”.
The conspiracy theorist are going full retard on this. Just like every other time…
My sister in law (wife’s sister) was at a nearby hotel, got caught up in the panic. Was a shitty day.
People on all sides using this for political reasons just suck. People trying to rationalize it by creating a conspiracy that it was done to provoke the anti gun lobby.
Like they have ever needed a thing to begin with…
It was one psycho, using a bump stock or something similar shooting fish in a barrel. How freaking highly trained do you need to be to do that? Answer is, not at all.
rb325th…Thank you for the common sense Sir. No, one need not be a Ranger, SEAL, Sniper or anything near those qualifications to shoot down into a helpless massed crowd. Just being mentally off enough to go over the line is all it takes.
Everything that happens in our nation anymore is used for political cannon fodder. The lost lives, the wounded, the lasting trauma of Las Vegas are all negated so that this one or that one can hold their ‘flag’ a little higher.
And Hillary was the first to open her rotten mouth.
I wondered what that smell was…;)
It damn sure wasn’t Bill’s dick.
I’m not a conspiracy theory loon, but the lack of information regarding a motive and the inclusion of an absurd volume of weapons and multiple shooting positions points to this being anything but a lone wacko. I’m pretty sure others were involved even if they didn’t show up.
Sorry. Accidentally hit the wrong button to reply, but down here in Vegas the motive is looking to be connected to his recent gambling losses and he was very antisocial to the point of hating other human beings.
This one was interesting, about the woman escorted out of the venue after behaving oddly and telling people they were going to die.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-attack-warning-eyewitness-what-happened-latest-news-updates-a7978821.html
I’ve run into people like that, one at a Garth Brooks concert, a few times at hockey games and several times at the single A ball park I worked at.
That says nothing about what happened, if you have a venue where several, or 20 thousand people show up, you’ll get the nut cases.
What’s been relatively thin with this is Paddock’s motive. There’s also been a lot of conflicting information floating around. One of the people who should raise more skepticism is Paddock’s brother, who may be being truthful about things, but doesn’t actually know that much. The two apparently weren’t that close, and the brother is 10 years younger. My own view is that the answer to motive is going to relate to one or more of the following:
Something physical such as a terminal illness, which can’t be ruled out without the results of an autopsy.
Another factor is the girlfriend/roommate. Although her direct involvement in the shooting has evidently been ruled out, the fact that she’s apparently a filipina, and was in the Phillipines at the time of the attack, may be relevant from the standpoint of current immigration issues. Also, Paddock reportedly wired $100,000 to the Phillipines fairly recently.
The concept of “follow the money” seems to apply. There’s too much of it floating around for the size of footprint left behind. Paddock might be accurately described as a former accountant, but there’s likely more to it. You would think somebody with a lot of available cash and real estate would leave more of a paper trail. Rich people have LLCs and shell companies registered in the Caymans.
The gambling factor is interesting in the sense that eventually the house always wins. Paddock might have run the string out so far, and leveraged things so much, that the entire house of cards was about to collapse.
I think he was part of a domestic group of leftists wanting to kill Trump supporters. He went around the country obtaining the weapons while others helped plan the attack. That would explain why he brought so many weapons with him. Why he got a large room. Why there were multiple shooting positions for shooting from an elevated position. Why a multi day event was targeted at the very end of it. And why authorities have been so elusive on information because they are trying to figure out who didn’t show up for the attack.
That’s just my view on it. 20+ weapons for 1 guy is the out of place part here and a huge red flag regarding the narrative we’ve been given thus far. With the Obama FBI being present at the Garland Texas terror attack and caught trying to escape after it happened my suspicion of what John Q Public is told regarding these mass attacks is real.
Please don’t forget the bomb-making materials he also had.
I appreciate your theory, -one guy acting alone- can neither handle all the weapons at the same time, while also detonating a bomb.
There is a “newer” video out that a cab driver uploaded as she was an mandalay bay on duty. I’m no conspiracy theorists, but listen to the majorly different alternating bursts of fire locations.
Now I do know he had two rooms, and they were somewhat around a corner (30 degrees maybe?), but it sounds like they are much much farther apart.
Someone with lots of previous experience downrange might have some insight.
Specifically listen to the 1:10 mark and then the 1:45 mark.
That video is pretty intense.
Sure sounds a lot closer at 1:10 and 1:43.
Look at the building between 4:58 and 5:02. It looks like muzzle flashes coming from the hotel although I suppose they could be reflections of muzzle flashes. Seems odd to me though because the shooting supposedly came from the 32d floor and those in the video cannot be higher than the 5th floor.
The more information I hear them release, the more questions I have.
Like many others, I’m still waiting for more information to be put out before I make any judgment calls on the motive, and any others that may have been involved.
I read that she was Indonesian.
It’s apparently complicated. According to reports, Danley was an ethnic Indonesian who was born in the Philipines. In 1990 she married an Australian from Queensland named Danley, and currently travels on an Australian passport. She was already living with Paddock when she got a final divorce from the ex-husband a couple of years ago, but they had been separated for some time.
I want to see what’s on the guy’s computers…
Wish the venue light show operator coulda cut the lights. Coupla rounds might not be noticeable but, auto fire is fairly distint. Might not have let him see effects and groups.
I was watching one of the videos and I noticed as soon as Jason Aldean ran off stage, someone flipped the stage lights on, which lit up the crowd. I’m not sure if they realized what they did, but that could’ve helped show people depending on where the shooter was.
The term I’ve heard used is “blood dancing”:, i.e. the leftists and anti gunners are going to dance in the blood and point accusing fingers at every one of the 50 million + Americans who own firearms as if we are the problem.
What they don’t get is that by immediately polarizing and politicizing the issue, they make any kind of rational discussion impossible
Of course, that would imply that “rational discussion” is what they want, when it is not: What they want is to get what they want by being able to roll over the politically dead bodies of their opponents (which is exactly what happened in both England and Australia after mass shootings of this type.)
Of course, in a country where nearly a quarter or more of the citizens own firearms, that will never work. It worked in England and Australia because gun owners there were only a small fraction of the population and had, for all practical purposes, no political power to resist the gun control juggernaut.
There may indeed come a time when such a situation exists in the US but I doubt that anyone who reads this blog will be alive to see it.
It’s not the number of guns that’s would prevent this from happening, it’s the number of gun OWNERS and their distribution around the country. It is simply impossible, politically, to enforce the kind of gun confiscation that so many gun controllers would love to see.
My Constitutional civil rights aren’t up for debate.
“There may indeed come a time when such a situation exists in the US but I doubt that anyone who reads this blog will be alive to see it.”
Thank God for that. It will be a cold day in hell. Amen, Martinjmpr
“There may indeed come a time when such a situation exists in the US but I doubt that anyone who reads this blog will be alive to see it.”
Is that in line with Mr. Heston’s “cold dead hands” statement?
Actually (somewhat embarrassingly), no, it’s not.
That is to say, I’m not implying that there will be some kind of civil war or that the only way that the gun controllers will get what they want is if they kill us gun owners off, that’s not what I’m saying at all.
What I’m actually saying is that there may be a time when gun owners will have very little political power in the US (the way they did in the UK and Australia) because they will only make up a small portion of the population just through natural attrition (because I believe the number of gun owning families has gone down over the past couple of centuries or so, from a high of over 50% in the mid – 19th century to the current level of ~25 – 30%) but at the rate we’re going it will take us over a hundred years to get there.
And until we get to that point, gun owners will continue to wield a significant amount of political power.
The irony of the “gun control” movement is that it has done more to bring gun owners together as a cohesive political force than they would have been otherwise.
There are probably almost as many gun owners in the US as there are iPhone users but the reason iPhone users aren’t a political bloc is because there isn’t an organized group out there trying to take away people’s iPhones.
I forgot my /jk tag.
Reading you the first time I clearly understood what you intended.
That day may come, as you say. I pray it is generations after my grandchildren’s grandchildren.
.50 cal is a heavy machine gun.
That was an earlier reply to another comment. I have no idea how it was entered here.
Meanwhile, since I’m here, no, gun ownership is not down but up:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/08/gun-ownership-is-up-in-america-so-why-isnt-media-telling-about-it.html
Once again, the liberal media is telling you what it wants you to believe not what is actually true.
Come and take them.
A lot of them want to see civil war. The rest want either utopia or reich.
My crew’s firefighter-medic knows some folks who were there. He found out this afternoon that one of his friends’ father is among the dead. Several folks from my department were also there, though I haven’t heard if any were hurt. I know very little about this Paddock cocksucker, but he was clearly a massive fucking asshole.
As for Bilzerian, maybe his butthurt will go away when one of his hookers puts a strap-on up his cornhole. Fuck him.
Why is it that in all the videos out there of this, I cannot see a single muzzle flash from the hotel?
I’ve seen some but one of them clearly has even more distinct muzzle flashes from a 4th floorish window. Look at the video I posted a little bit above if you would. Very interesting.
As far as I know, none of the windows in the Mandaly Bay open, as is the case in modern hotels everywhere. The only holes in the windows are in the suite that this jackwagon occupied. I saw no broken windows on the fourth floor, or the floors immediately above or below it.
Good point. But please watch the video I posted above taken from outside in the ground.
if one sets up well back from the firing port, the flash is well hidden.
I think I read somewhere that a helicopter was in the air during the event. At night, and if a police helicopter, might have had an infrared camera onboard. Thermal infrared (beyond the range that the human eye can see) is the best portion of the spectrum in which to observe muzzle flash.
An old story, but I couldn’t resist. Years, and years, and so many years ago, I attended a course/seminar on infrared technology given by an “old timer,” that is, someone who’d been in this technology for many years, since after WWII. He’d stated that it developed very well during the Vietnam War, tested as enemy troops were moving during night down the Ho Chi Minh Trail into South Vietnam, using only pieces of coal to light their way. Unlike a visible wavelength band sensor (the wavelengths your eye can see), the FLIRs (forward-looking infrared devices) picked up the _thermal emanations_ from the heated charcoal, allowing our forces to discern their movements along the trail.
That’s what the old engineering veterans taught me.
Early in the war, 1966, the VC and NVA were very sloppy about light discipline. I remember nights sitting up in mountain observation positions watching them use flashlights all over the trails on distant mountains.
After we called endless fire missions on the fools, they learned to be more careful.
I just saw the muzzle flashes in the video above and commented on them. I’ve looked at numerous videos of this and still haven’t seen any that look as though they’re coming from the 32nd floor.
Yes, thank you for pointing to those times, 4:58 to 5:02. And you know that the gal in the car is seeing something…she’s reacting to it. I don’t see how they could be reflections from an event occurring on the 32nd floor.
In this one, the camera is moving but the multiple, repetitive flashes remain in the same place: http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-video-multiple-shootes/ Not a reflection. BUT, as stated above, there needed to be an opening in the window for a gunshot to emerge. I can’t tell that in this video.
Also…that -was- a police helicopter in the air for a while, right??
SO damned senseless and SO many missing pieces. One thing is for sure, SHIT ON the politicians and SJW’s crusading for their political agenda for grandstanding in the blood of those who were murdered for their own political gain.
This!
I, for one, blame all this on Hitlary and her “despicables” comment.
She dehumanized her opposition, which then became targets.
Am I correct in my understanding the hotel is a gun free zone? I saw something about security details had to be unarmed. I also heard several of the people in thier rooms wished they had been armed to defend themselves. Could it be if the right someone that was armed was able to locate and engage the mad man this would have been a very different scenario?
When I go to Vegas my 9mm goes with me. It stays inside my waistband unless I am drinking. Then it stays in the safe in my room. I put up that little sign that says privacy please and the maids do not enter my room. Extra mags and a tactical flashlight are in a lock box I keep in the safe also. When i am in the room it is out of the safe where I can get to it.
None of you are addressing the real issue, the one that has all the dweebs terrified of anyone with a gun for any reason, because the gun owner is obviously a mental case and is going to start shooting people at random.
The hysterical rhetoric is probably just warming up. More laws restricting ownership will be proposed.
At some point, the paranoia about the whole thing is what really needs to be examined, not whether or not we should or ought to have access to weapons.
This shooter had stuff in his head that will probably never come to the surface since he killed himself before the police could get to him. If he had a diagnosis for some fatal disease, it’s no excuse, period. He was obviously pissed off about something and took it out on an easy target, a crowd at a concert in the street below his hotel room. He was shooting ducks in a barrel.
That’s it, but until more is brought to light, it is a waste of time to speculate on why he did it. And no, I don’t think gun laws are the answer, either.
The idiocy about background checks cropped up immediately, gun show loopholes – in short, all of that ridiculously ignorant rhetoric floated right to the surface, and NONE of it is going to stop the next crazy asshole who is butthurt about something and wants to take it out on everyone else.
I don’t think there was anything in his head that 180 grains of hi velocity lead wouldn’t have cured. To bad someone wasn’t able to administer it sooner.
Here is a link to the NVNG site concerning SFC Hartfield
It is a Facebook link hope it works
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lasvegasnow.com%2Fnews%2Fnevada-guardsman-among-59-victims%2F824004735&h=ATPhr45c6ZF-D_5XTQq2Qt3wtK_Xs-ZySJ3uOgb1CMb_xiohtWfacQo5o7DaupArsHth9WnGp57ktDPjKVIfjDUX3Rb0ryrSalWuQo2QMBu-achdJ0fYBkAtGLEMip1zAWXE5s_VE5AICfCM2J-fKqz1tSjWAOSoVuIgkqP2SFc4kX_B87qOvjWTi7LEr2y1g2gPi3nMhd7n9NbXoGr3ZfFoVRt-aNwiTXGZYwTXE2Zml505SMxrKQ3nGo2qwtkAKkHjEykQXeyqR-r01BCUjDFHvjenfkar
My condolences for the loss of your friend, Brother.
Here’s this Skippy:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas-police-salute-officer-killed-in-mass-shooting-video/
My condolences.
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
Skippy, to me, that is SFC Hartfield, your friend..your fellow Soldier. A Hero. My heart goes out to you for your loss as well as to his family, friends and other fellow veterans.
I salute you, SFC Hartfield. Rest In Peace.
Sad.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?utm_term=.b0b8729bb149
Bilzerian represents armed Americans about as well as Jesse Ventura.
Please stop calling the Muslim terrorists ISIS when they have no pretence of statehood. Call them DAESH since they don’t like that term. Tannerite is not a normal explosive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite although some idiots have managed to shoot large canisters of it and do themselves serious injury or collect a Darwin Award. It is of no help to describe this cold blooded killer as crazed,sick, a mental case, when that is a get out clause and removes the blame for his actions. He does not deserve sympathy for any part of this. Here is a link that goes some way to explaining the problems you have with guns in the USA. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2017/10/02/six-things-know-mass-shootings-america/ It is a balanced report to a matter that needs a solution. I am saddened by the misery and death this individual has carried out and enlightened by the people who have also shown up as being amazingly brave.
No, Liberty is not the problem.
No. Guns are not the problem.
-one- person, one crazy/evil person, did all that crazy/evil.
It is -impossible- to crazy-proof a Free society. -impossible-. And tyrrany does not prevent mass murder, it just enables and regularizes it. And since “we need more restrictions” never works,so “we need even more restrictions on Liberty” is the inevitable result, tyrrany is the end state.
So -no-, we are not going to take away Liberty, including the right of arms, because some -tiny- number of idiots are crazy/evil. The lies that surrendering liberty cures violent insanity are -provable- lies.
As the grasp of government tightens, the risk of mass death, of stupid violent death, goes -up-. Look at the places with new bans and the soaring violence there. Barbarism only grows where the Civilized are constrained.
We are not born from sheep here. Taking the means of Freedom from some does not pacify the rest. If it did, Chicago would be tranquil, not an abatoir. The facts speak for themselves, and no -studies- by the bootlicks of Tyrants can hide reality from the aware.
So -no-, we are not going there.
PLASTIC DUCK:
‘…the problems you have with guns in the USA.’
Please let us know if you wrote that comment from somewhere outside the USA, and if so, where.
Thanks.
Hey Plastic Duck, here is a link with the list of countries by murder rate.
We are number 94.
Yep, you read that right. There are 93 countries with a higher murder rate than the US.
Imagine now if we could take out the Democrat-controlled cities from our average.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
No. We don’t have a gun problem. We have Democrat party problem.
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death: • 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws. • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified. • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence. • 3% are accidental discharge deaths. So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation. • 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago • 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore • 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit • 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years) So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause. This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1. Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths. Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that… Read more »
“the problems you have with guns in the USA”
We don’t have a problem with guns in the USA.
We have a problem with evil people, brain dead liberals and the politicians they elect.
26Limabeans is correct. The problem is not guns. It is people.
Not too long ago, over 100 hand guns were stolen from a parked freight car on the south side of Chicago. So far, 19 of them have been traced to gun-related crimes in the Chicago area.
The gun is not responsible for what the user does. It is an inanimate object that can’t operate on its own.
The problem is not with guns. It’s with the people who misuse them. How you would stop someone like this from committing such heinous but random acts of violence is not being discussed.
If the random attacks by NON-gun weapons-carrying people in Europe doesn’t make it clear that it is NOT guns at fault, then what will it take to understand that the problem is not guns? It is people.
“We don’t have a problem with guns in the USA.
We have a problem with evil people, brain dead liberals and the politicians they elect.”
Winner!
ASTO Plastic Duck – sounds like he loves sucking off the libtard/socialist tit…
This little tidbit explains the rumors:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/10/04/digital-disaster-facebook-google-carry-fake-news-on-las-vegas-shooting.html
But this is also going to make heads explode in the “conspiracy cult” crowd.
It’s like I said: it isn’t the means of doing some heinous act, e.g., Getzman-Gold’s (CBS) incorrect and uncalled-for comments, which got her fired.
It is the person who commits the act (the shooter, Getzman-Gold, Maddow, MoveOn.org, et al.) who is the problem.
The sooner we all realize that, the better.
A buddy with Metro I just spoke to is telling me there is definitely
A link to ISIS with this shooting and yes he is a recent convert
To the religion of peace there should be a news conference
Here from the sheriff of Clark County Nevada anytime
About this
Color me SHOCKED…(sarc)