AP: […], Oregon shooter, was an Army entry-level separation
3E9 sends us a link to the Associated Press which reports that […], the Oregon shooter, did indeed have military training – about a month in 2008 (Nov. 5th to Dec. 11th) keeping with my prediction earlier today.
[Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, an Army spokesman] did not say which standards […] failed to meet. Generally, the Army requires recruits to pass physical fitness tests and to be generally in good physical and mental health. Recruits also must score highly enough on a multiple-choice test covering science, math, reading comprehension and other topics.
It was at Relaxin’ Fort Jackson, so I figure that he crashed and burned sometime after drill and ceremony and just before marksmanship training. It’s an eight-week course with a couple of days at the reception center getting medically screened and issued his uniform, and then a week or so to get rid of him. I figure he had less than three weeks of actual training. Our Stolen Valor page is full those guys and most of them went on to be real criminals. So here’s another one.
Category: Shitbags
Oh boy.
Gloating already, clong?
And for the third time today, who was sending you those e-mails?
And what is your full name?
The kid apparently could not find his niche. We’ve all seen it, young men who cannot seem to find their place in the world. Many will eventually find their way in the world, but some will not and end up in jail or on the streets.
There is absolutely no excuse for what this young man did, you have to teach young men to keep trying to overcome and to never let their inner demons win. It’s OK to have failed at being a soldier or a student or all sorts of other things, but it’s never OK to let your frustrations with failure drive you to violence.
Correction: it is not OK to fail basic training at Ft. Jackson
As I recall, the graduation rate at Ft Jackson for BCT is about 97%. That was a couple years ago, but its been pretty high for quite a long time.
LOL-well, I made it through there in the old wooden barracks on Tank hill (30 some years ago-God, how could it possibly have been that long ago?). So that is in itself ample evidence that it must not be too strenuous.
But, I recall that we had a few who didn’t make it for one reason or another. Anyway, the larger point is that a good many young men will fail at all sorts of things that they probably shouldn’t-I’ve seen that more than a few times in the wide variety of careers I’ve had over the years. And if they keep fighting the good fight they will almost always find their place in the world eventually. But a good many stop fighting that fight and let their demons take over, and that’s when we see them do evil shit like this.
Or anywhere, really. Even Fort Benning’s graduation rate hovers above 90% because Uncle Sam needs to make good on its investment, that is, training and transferring volunteers to do a tough job for years on end. A reality in the military is that if you’re going into entry level training, attrition isn’t the mission. In fact, quite the opposite.
I’m going to take a stab that his dismissal wasn’t due to physical requirements. It was mental issues that got him shown the door.
But this also means that the media is going to make it sound like he was on the chopper that went to kill Bin Laden.
Either mental health or “Failure to adapt”…
That’s why I went “mental not physical.” Failure to adapt; failure to stop sucking on his mom’s tit; can’t handle being yelled at (okay, I was laughing while I typed that since he went to Jackson); a lack of will to keep driving on; and so on.
I could even go for dumb as a bag of hammers / lacks the common sense of a pine tree, which would also be mental issues. (we all had “one” at Basic.)
The mental health aspect of early discharges. There is a whole discussion worth having there but perhaps for another time.
Another time? The LA Times didn’t waste anytime saying that he’d been in the Army (with no real proof, btw, hearsay from an old neighbor). But yeah, let’s save this discussion for another time.
I meant in general. How smart it is of is to give unstable people just enough training to be dangerous then release them to the wild without a drop of oversight when it’s clear they won’t fit in. They have the shoulder we give them the chip.
*us sorry
A month in basic doesnt qualify as enough to be dangerous. I spent two weeks in reception before my training even started. Basic rifle marksmanship doesnt even start until week 5. Everything before that is drill and ceremony with frequent smokings for stupid shit. Nothing dangerous about having to do more pushups and learning how to stand and walk properly….
Agreed. If he was there 6 weeks, (4 Nov thru 11 Dec), there’s a very good chance he never fired an M16/M4.
Im more than willing to bet he never made it past reception and they spent most of that month getting rid of him.
From the sounds of it, he didn’t make it past the initial PT test and ended up in the FTU in Reception.
Yep, we had a guy who played the “I’m crazy!” card to get out of Basic in week 4 or 5. We told him just keep on going, you’ll be out in weeks. He refused to just drive on.
I recall seeing him walking out to the van to the airport on the day the rest of us were on the bus to our graduation ceremony.
We had a couple of those in my OSUT class in the early 90’s, Our Company’s Cadre took a month to put them out and made every moment of that as miserable as they could for them.
Well, your mommy let you leave home without supervision, didn’t she, Clong?
If he was in for less than a month, he might’ve had a week of reception and maybe 2 weeks of Basic (If they did a fast track to remove him).
Realistically, if that’s the timeline then he might’ve not even been able to get to Basic Day 1. There are those who get separated while going through reception station.
Even if he was in Basic for 2 weeks, he knows how to tie his boots and march (I hope?). Not exactly dangerous training yet.
Wow… you’re REALLY barking up the wrong tree here, dude. This piece of shit learned absolutely NOTHING about being dangerous four weeks into Basic. How to write a check? Sure. How to dress-right-dress? Sure. How to fire a rifle? Nope, not at all.
I get the feeling you weren’t Army if you didn’t know that much.
Like I said, the conversation was in general not just concerning this fellow.
Youre going to have to clarify your position then. When you say you meant it in general that means you want your reasoning to be applied to all soldiers who are released for mental issues. Mental issues does not always equal dangerous. Military training does not always equal dangerous unless you choose a dangerous profession. That danger only applies to self, not others. Being released from military service for mental issues is statistically more likely a danger to the individual. Not society. If you require proof look up data on suicides versus homicides from military service…
I’m not 100 percent on my position, that’s why we talk things about.
*out not about.
Then you really need to clarify, because right now you’re currently defending your original position without addressing the reservations you may have…
That says it all to me, Clong-head! You obviously have NO military training or service under your belt.
Yeah, he got all kinds of dangerous, specialized training in that month. He learned how to march in a formation. Scary. Don’t forget about that deadly parade rest. And I can’t believe the Army would turn him loose on the unsuspecting world with all that front leaning rest.
Potato, I mean C. Long, you really have no fucking clue.
See my previous comments. I said in general. He’s not the only one to be shown the door early right ?
Speaking of which, I don’t know about anyone else, but I’d rather stand at attention for 3 hours than parade rest for 30 minutes. It always killed my shoulders.
RIGHT? That is so true…I always felt better balanced at attention as the small hand slowly circled…
The first time I was in a change of command ceremony, I was given the opportunity to excel by being a Colors Guard in the ceremony with an M-16.
I had to stand there listening to two O-6s and one 3-star give their speeches. If there was a clock, I’d have been watching the big hand slowly circle.
My first Change of command was in 85 in Korea. I was in the front row. We practiced with old steel pot helmets, and after practice issued new Kevlar for the ceremony. I didn’t adjust the webbing right and didn’t realize it until during the ceremony the Kevlar was sitting directly on my head.
I remember standing at parade rest for 4-5 hours waiting for President Clinton to show up to the VJ Day commemeration.
I am unilaterally deciding that C stands for Charlie.
So Charlie, he had 3 weeks of training to be a mean marching machine and make his bed correctly; he probably hadn’t made it to the range yet. Except for making a mean bed I’m guessing that he isn’t any more dangerous after 3 weeks than he was when he entered. Setting that aside, how do you “un-train” someone? And, if they are “unstable” do you just kill them now or put them in jail for the rest of their life or hang an ankle bracelet on them? What was his crime?
You said, “They have the shoulder we give them the chip.” I don’t understand. To whom does “we” refer? What chip did we give him? Are you saying that involuntary separation for cause should NOT happen? Do you want that doofus on active duty? For whatever it’s worth, I refuse to accept that everyone needs counseling and/or that I can always tell who is going to be dangerous and/or if he received counselling that they could tell either.
Our legal system assumes that harmless jackasses are just that until they prove otherwise. Most of the time, this works. Given the virtual zero amount of knowledge that I have about this guy, it appears this particular jackass went from zero to full retard in one jump. I’m thinking that he didn’t have a rotating red light on his forehead so what do you think that society or the Army should do?
All good points Richard, hence the need for the dialogue about this
Dialogue, MY ASS.
1. The kid was a loser/idiot who couldn’t cut the mustard, hence he got booted.
2. He gave off warning signs which were ignored just like the VT shooter.
3. That School had all kinds of “No Guns, No weapons” policies, thus guaranteeing him a smorgasbord of unarmed VICTIMS.
1. the Army did the right thing and has no responsibility here. They didn’t train him to be a killer and I think that it is impossible to predict that he would shoot someone 7 years later.
2. I think that it should be easier to get people professionally examined for competency. Unless there is due process (meaning a lawyers, judge, and appeals), we don’t deny anyone constitutional rights.
3. In general the existing gun laws are too restrictive for law abiding people. Law abiding people don’t commit crimes with guns (that is what law abiding means) so the existing restrictions are unnecessary. The criminals who do commit crimes with guns don’t obey the laws anyway so unless you are willing to execute them on the spot, it really doesn’t make any difference.
Okay, I opened with a position. What is yours? Dialogue means we both take positions then defend them.
Um yeah. No. C. Long doesn’t do that. He just declares victory. That’s why he’s so smart.
No, C.Long, you’re wrong on this — we DON’T give them the chip. That would be saying that the military makes people crazy. Plenty of people make it through the rigors of military training, and come out mentally STRONGER on the other side of it. If this killer was put out of the Army for mental reasons, he went in with the condition, he didn’t get it while he was there.
That’s a safe bet but he’s just one of many who get early discharges under mental reasons(if that’s what happened)
We can’t celebrate the military for producing great men like Dakota Meyer if we fail to accept their role, if any, in producing your Timothy McVeighs.
The military produces vastly more Dakota Meyers than it does Timothy McVeighs. You cannot condemn the practices of an institution because the media likes to exploit the handful of exceptions that fall through the cracks…
“We can’t celebrate the military for producing great men like Dakota Meyer if we fail to accept their role, if any, in producing your Timothy McVeighs.”
That has to be one of the most stupid comments I’ve read here.
The Army had nothing to do with how fucked up this wack job was, or the other Asswipe whose name I won’t bother mentioning.
I spent 6 months at MCRD as the NCOIC of the separations unit. I can truthfully say there wasn’t a single case of a psych discharge due to anything the Corps did to them.
The training EXPOSED their mental condition, it didnt cause it. The vast majority were ritalin cases with mommy/daddy issues who lied to their recruiters and cried like bitches the first time someone yelled at them.
You’ll notice I said “if any”.
If it were mental, he never would have been able to purchase firearms. It’s more likely he didn’t pass the initial PT test and them couldn’t pass the Fitness unit test after.
Well of course not all firearms are purchased legally or through a storefront that checks records or does paperwork. I’m not familiar with state laws all over but I know in Kentucky I can buy and sell handguns between two personal parties with no oversight at all, as easy as buying a couch off craigslist. I don’t even think you have to check age legally, not sure on that.
It’s not like that here in Oregon. As of May 2015 all private transfers of firearms are illegal in Oregon. He had to have gone to a licensed dealer to have obtained his firearms legally in this state. Whether that was an online sale or not, if it was an online sale the online store had to ship the firearm to a licensed dealer here when he would have had to go and pick it up after filling out the background check paperwork. You have to be 21 or older to purchase a handgun, 18 or older to posses one. So by the laws in this state it appears he legally obtained his firearms.
Thanks for the info about Oregon; I’ve only ever been there driving from Cali to Washington.
How can you make the conclusion that he bought the gun legally though based solely on the laws that exist? Just because it’s illegal to do so doesn’t mean he didn’t buy it from someone personally right ?
Perfect example. SFC Martland has a justifiable big chip because of the Army. He’s not going out into the public (or even on base) and putting bullets into people because of it.
Plenty of people have much tougher lives (in or out of the Army) and “may” have a chip, but don’t use it to cause violence on others.
And unless your DS is sodomizing you with the cloth end of a mop, in a month you don’t have a chip because of the Army.
Yeah because correlation is equal to causation, right C. Long. Hypocrite much? Based on your keen understanding of all the dynamics, what kind of sleeping right should we eradicate?
Sweeping rights. Damn speech to text.
Showing your ass again, clong.
Now watch the lying assed media call him a “veteran”!
Failure to adapt is generally willful, so that case is irrelevant. A sh!thead is a sh!thead, whether military or civilian.
For arguments sake, say the “fine individual” did have a mental issue that predated service and which renders him unsuitable for continued service. Maybe even one he failed to disclose to recruiters because he knew it would disqualify him from service.
What do you propose the military do with him under those circumstances?
It would just be brain storming. Those sorts of decisions are way beyond me.
I was thinking about that issue as well. At most, the Army is going to annotate in his medical records psychological issues and push him to the VA.
Once you’re dismissed from Basic, the army doesn’t send people to your house to check that you’re okay. If he were dangerous to others or himself, they might’ve kept him longer, but he’s not staying in the Army forever.
IMO, that’s precisely as it should be.
If the condition was preexisting, Uncle Sam owes him nothing – especially if he hid it to enlist.
If his hypothetical “mental condition” developed during his military service – and it’s frankly hard for me to see how the 1st 4 weeks of Basic could push someone “over the edge” who didn’t already have a preexisting mental condition – then I’m pretty sure he’d have gotten a medical separation vice an entry level one. I believe the regs require a medical separation in such a case.
If he was an ELS due to “failure to adapt”, that essentially means he quit trying or was unwilling to follow directions. In that case, the Army and Uncle Sam owe him nothing.
Based on what we did, it looks like the dead perp was simply a loser who lost it and “went off”. Damn good chance he’d have done the same whether or not he’d ever joined the military. His abortive military career had nothing to do with it.
Hope he likes hot weather, ’cause I think he’ll see a lot of that in hell.
The good thing is, something was identified to separate him before he became Uncle Sam’s problem.
I’d like to think his place in hell is super hot and has no cameras, no internet, and no one knows his name.
Oh, I think Satan and a few of his demons know the youngster’s name – and are in the process of getting well acquainted with him.
Pineapples too. Lots and lots of Pineapples….
AND barrel Cacti wrapped in asbestos!
Schlong, or what ever your name is. Can’t you take a hint? Do you think we need you as a f___ing moderator on this site?
When oh when are you going to answer the question? Branch of service, MOS, and date of discharge…..now that’s not asking much. Dare I say you’ll be the top name on everyone’s shit list until you finally answer the question?
Your posts are not interesting, your speech patterns lend themselves for people to wonder WTF are you doing on here? Giving credit where due, I will admit your posts, however shallow, are direct to the useless point and add nothing to conversations among men. Most of whom are veterans, most of whom I believe to have served in combat at one time or another. Let me take a wild guess, you are not Schlong. You are Kaitlyn looking for other freaks, right??? Try one of the GLTG sites Schlong. Amusing and funny I’m certain they will find you. It does seem to be a place where all could and probably would relate to you. Once again, please act like a man and answer the question. You will always be ridden like Trigger until you can honestly answer the question. The longer you attempt to avoid answering, the longer you make yourself sound like a pimp.
The details of my service are as irrelevant as the question about having served at all. Do only vets get opinions on issues that concern us all?
First it was I never served so I don’t get a say. Now it’s what, I don’t have the right kind of service? Does my opinion matter less because I was a 88M or a 98G or 92G(few beyond mine that I could remember off top of my head). What’s next? Is my branch less than another? Any awards I may have? Is there some hierarchy chart you could point me to so I know what class of American I fall into and how much of the freedom of speech I’m allotted?
Last I checked we all get an opinion and are entitled to share it. Don’t like it? Nobody is forcing you to read and respond. You are simply exercising the same right I have, to be heard right or wrong. The powers that be could always make the board private or block me if they want to curtail that but really, what would that say about the whole process?
Strange, you went from not wanting to elaborate on this forum as to your point of view on this Oregon Shooter to expressing and starting a problem with half hearted answers.
Sounds like you get off on attention, my friend.
Would you like to know who else shares their opinions on this site? People guilty of Stolen Valor love to give their opinions about things they think they know.
I was just a lowly 92Y in the National Guard, but I still vetted myself here (to include sending a DD214 when there was a question of my service). It’s not just because you are a dick, it’s because they want to make sure you know what the hell you are talking about while being a dick.
Again I ask do only vets have opinions on gun violence? I’m sorry you felt you had to prove yourself a vet before speaking….doesn’t the guard give NGB22 though? Well I mean unless you were federalized.
If the need to be “vetted” is prerequisite to post here then make it happen. Until then I met all requirements to do so: I have an opinion and reliable internet.
Veteran status is not a requirement to have an opinion on gun violence. That issue does concern the general public. However, the issue raised was not gun violence, but the fact that the shooter spent a miniscule amount of time in the military. That particular piece of information is irrelevant to the event and the only people qualified to have an opinion on it are those that have the experience of being in the military. Outside opinions do not further the discussion as civilians are only capable of reiterating hearsay and conjecture on the subject.
See that makes more sense as a point. I still disagree with it but it makes sense as a point of discussion. If anyone should be concerned and voice their opinion about what the military is or isn’t doing it, or military matters in general , it should be the civilian populace. They have a right to know what’s being done or not done in their name. There is a reason we have a civilian controlled military to start with.
I apologize though for missing your point earlier, it’s hard to keep up sometimes.
I understand the need for checks and balances but I think you’re inadvertently skewing the responsibility of the military to the public. The general populace should be informed of what the military is doing to an extent that doesnt hinder operational effectiveness. The problem is that public opinion is too often swayed by emotions instead of logic. So the shooter had a month of military service before he was booted. Why is this information relevant? There’s no reason to publish this unless someone wants to create a connection between the military and the event. The average civilian has no basis to dispute this connection because they have never experienced military training. They can only go off what they heard secondhand, so they can not adequately give an informed opinion. This applies to many aspects of military life, which is why I believe they should be informed, but unless they have experienced it first hand they should not be able to hold the military accountable for something they will never understand.
No job is “lowly” in the military by the way. You served honorably, that’s good enough. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
No lowly jobs in the military? Thanks for the laugh. Between classes at 29 Palms, I had quite a few lowly jobs, to include but not limited to picking up thousands of cigarettes (I don’t smoke); guarding buildings with absolutely no valuable property in the dead of winter with nothing but a nightstick; and the cherry on the sundae, shoveling horseshit at the base stables. Don’t worry though, it all went on my resume.
No small tasks only small people.
‘No small jobs, only small people.’
What’s that supposed to mean, shitface?
Really? No lowly jobs? Here’s a greenie and a bucket, there’s the bilge.
Dive, bitch.
In spite of feeling like I’m beating a dead horse, there will NEVER be an end to this inquiry regardless what or how you post. Others have been extremely kind in seeming restless for an answer, yet you seem to enjoy the ongoing question asked in an extremely civilized tone. It was a time for closure to all the wondering you appear to manifest and enjoy. One SIMPLE thing you don’t want to face, Schlong; there is absolutely NOBODY who posts on this site, including you and me, who can not be shown the door due to lack of interest in contributing interesting conversation and rebuttal. In spite of more and more trying to determine your involvement, you apparently delight in perpetuating your inflated “misery’ upon us for dare asking questions you are apparently uncomfortable with. Keep this in mind Schlong….a hell of a lot on this site could respect you if you merely got to the point, sans the unnecessary dancing. No one is bent on destroying you for the service you may or may not have served in, the MOS you may or may not have trained and worked in, the medals and ribbons you may or may not have earned. We don’t give a damn if you simply washed dishes and peeled potatoes for a four year enlistment; and finished your possible enlistment as an E-1. It’s almost as if you are paranoid, creating excuses to not answer the questions. Your constant delays and excuses surely DO make us think perhaps less that you served. NO, there is nobody ready to pounce on your records of disclosure and embarrass you for any truthful reasons. Finally, I honestly believe if you simply answered in the positive and someone found it out to be true and correct, you would be so openly received as one of us. That’s the problem in a nut shell, Schlong. We have yet to find if you know the reflections in many stories to speak as you do. Nothing else. Put an and to the continual Cinderella story so we can all accept you… Read more »
(I’m not really 100% sure what you are saying but I’ll take a stab at it. I too am prone to grammatical problems…although not as bad)
I suggest you go back and read the whole topic because you are beating a dead horse. You are saying one has no credibility to speak about gun violence or any other topic simply because he’s not a combat vet?
You’re the one who established some made up standard for relative credibility. Remember your bullshit treatise on anonymity? Yeah, probably not. How convenient. Hypocrite.
Interesting. I seem to remember someone commenting here castigating others for “posting anonymously” as if that somehow made their opinions “less credible” because it obscured their background.
Seems to me that someone with such an opinion would be more than willing to provide details of their own background on request. In fact, one could argue that refusing to provide info about their background under such circumstances proves them nothing more than a damned hypocrite.
It seems to me you have said more than one time you were done with me yet keep coming back. I’m hopeless I think you said. Should we start calling Hondo Taylor?
I’ll bite though. As I’ve said before A. I don’t care to share when it’s relevant and B. One can sign their name to something so to speak and still protect their privacy. Unless of course you have a case of those nasty e-stalkers that is going around.
Pointing out idiocy or hypocrisy sometimes overcomes my better judgement.
Uh huh, how was it put earlier? GBCW?
I never said that I was leaving, the site Long. “Out” merely implies completion of a particular communications exchange.
As someone claiming to have military service, I’d expect you to be at least passingly familiar with military radio PROWORDS, as well as to be intelligent enough to understand the meaning of same in such a context.
You really do need to work on your reading comprehension as well as elementary logic.
Attempting to swing the focus again, thought you were better than that H. Taylor.
What a dick.
C. Long…here you go. I was an 11B in the Army and a 305X4 in the Air Force. Nothing special. None of my comments are made any more valid by the service I gave. But I am honest and open about my service and I am proud of it. So what is it so hard for you to answer Jarhead’s simple questions? If you served then say so. If you didn’t say so. If as you say no service is less than any other then again, why not tell of it? You’re being purposefully obtuse about the subject and it just bugs me as it does others here. I don’t care of you served as a clerk or a Ranger or a pilot. But most of us here own up to what we did do in the military when asked. We have many posters who are not former military and their comments and opinions are taken with as much validity as any others. But this, “I’ve got a secret” routine is simply annoying and detracting from from your comments. Your choice C. Long but a bit of forthrightness would go a long way.
You are ignoring that I have already said. I just won’t produce the info on command, as is my right. why? Because it’s irrelevant.
I understand what you are saying I just don’t agree. What I’ve seen concerning how non-super star military posters are treated. You are basically saying it doesn’t really matter so why not say. I respond with if it doesn’t matter why ask?
Sparks ET AL…..verbal spariing with this guy is a waste of time. It’s like watching a record go round and round. He’s a attention whore. If Colombus said I’m going west, he would say lets go East. Just ignore, he’ll go away.
Let’s not forget fraudulent enlistment. An old buddy of mine at Lackland had to check each and every enlistment for fraud. His happiest day was when he caught a fraudulent recruit before the recruit’s first haircut.
One of my basic training mates made it all the way through basic only to be sent home because he didn’t tell the recruiter about his criminal record. The guy just couldn’t understand why it was so important that he had a record since he was only going to be working in a nuke silo.
Another trainee in my flight made it halfway through tech school when he got sent home because he forgot to mention a previous enlistment that maybe didn’t end so well.
Then there was the guy who was afraid of the dark…
I look forward to hearing the real story about this one.
Good thinking Dennis. There were a huge rash of fraudulent enlistments after 9/11. Especially around 2005-2008 when situations were dire. While I was at Ft Lewis I recall hearing about 5 recruiters who were relieved / fired for fraudulent enlistments (a couple were civilian recruiters).
Even if you had an unpaid ticket, it was necessary to step up about it.
You also had the likes of Turddahl, who got booted from the Coast Guard before he ever left boot camp and ended up in the Army on a waiver.
As a former recruiter I have to say that recruiters are between a rock and a hard place with their jobs. The command group threatens your family’s welfare, your rank, your livelihood so you can make that mission because by god somebody needs to get promoted to LtCol like, now. Additionally, they will tolerate lying, cheating, stealing and playing the system so long as they are not implicated if you get caught. On the other end you have a distrustful public filled with people who will never enlist with a war going on, and the few that you do get always have something wrong with them. If I had to make a choice between going back to Iraq for a year and going back on recruiting duty for 6 months, I’d say “send my ass to Iraq!”
He probably didn’t even make it out of reception.
That sounds like a safe bet to me!
I think he did find his niche.
He sported a Nazi-like online name Ironcross45. He made substantial threats that were not reported. He was egged on by some group of wackos (4chan) to commit a heinous act. He seems to have wanted to go out in a blaze of some kind, because 6 guns were found at the school and he had ditched his armored vest, so the police gave him what he apparently wanted.
The sheriff in Oregon was right to NOT name this creature even though the media found it somehow.
Whatever niche it was he was after, he found it.
He indeed did.
May he enjoy afterlife in the infernal regions.
You know, I really do think that most young men want to be productive, successful citizens and that some struggle with that for at least part of their youth. As I said above, that means that you will have to learn to deal with frustration and fight your inner demons. This guy failed spectacularly at that, so to hell with him, but teaching other young men to keep trying to overcome whatever difficulties they face is the only other acceptable alternative.
A niche is a place where you fit in the world and crazy spree killer doesn’t qualify.
See my comment immediately above yours.
I don’t think this tool’s “niche” was anywhere in this world. I think he’s in his “niche” now – for eternity.
The tool is getting dorked in the squeakhole by the barbed cock of Satan – and that may be too good for him!
I think there are more that are struggling today because of the helicopter parent trend and it sure sounds like his mother was one of those.
I see them every day, DRIVING their little snowflakes the long 2 blocks to the bus stop and staying with them there (with the engine running in the car on a beautiful August morning) in case the local pedophile happens by. This, in the safest upper middle class neighborhood in the city.
These kids never learn how to cope with the least little inconvenience or hurtful word, thus the “safe rooms” on college campuses filled with bubbles and blankies.
Resilience just isn’t taught much anymore and I fear that it’s permanently harming our country’s children.
See Free Range Kids for more such examples.
He had more time in the service than his Commander in Chief…
Like my old Sergeant Major used to say:
“People expect the Army to to do in 8 weeks, what the parents,the priests and the cops couldn’t do in 18 years.”
Maybe the Army shouldn’t take everyone else’s left overs?
I’m sorry, but what does that even mean? Whom ought they to take?
More rounded candidates for start. If the parents, cops and priests couldn’t do anything with them, is putting them into a more rigorous lifestyle with plenty of weapons around smart? All good questions.
Roger, check. And then when the Army figures out that they’re not a “more rounded candidate,” what ought they to do? Perhaps give them an Entry Level Separation?
Start with more thorough screening. It shouldn’t take less time\oversight\paperwork to get into the military then it is to buy a house.
With the ones that still get by the screening and have to be removed later provide them with transition services…yes to include health care. I know that’s not a popular opinion given the state of VA
If they are an Entry Level Separation, they don’t need “transition” back to civilian life.
Giving them health care for something that wasn’t caused by the Army is a no-go. The VA isn’t Obamacare and its already tough enough to get healthcare for those who were injured in the line of duty.
If they are injured during the Initial Entry Training Process, they get taken care of for medical care. If they have a permanent disability from it, they get covered for it.
This isn’t little league. Just because he showed up doesn’t mean he gets to play.
If any condition was made worse by military service, even just one day, they should be responsible for the some sort of help. Can you say with certainty that there exists no condition or mental state that is both easily hidden and not subject to aggravation? Heck with some people a drastic change in scenery is enough to send them into depression.
Again this is just brainstorming, devils advocate.
If the kid is a head case before coming in, the U.S. Army doesn’t owe them SHIT coming out. Now if it’s a severe physical injury such as a spine or neck injury bad enough to warrant separation, yeah, they ought to be taken care of.
So your saying that the military should be “fixing” anyone that comes in, goes to basic training and has a preexisting condition that exacerbates while in training?
Have you ever been a recruiter? Or assigned as an instructor at basic training or an MOS/”A” school? I’ve seen so many individuals show up that can’t read, do basic math, have rap sheets longer than my arm (I actually had one that was a gang banger that was dodging a murder rap) and have a list of medical problems from contact dermatitis to epilepsy. How is the Military “responsible” for that? Since when is the Military a Social Work Center for those that lied to join and can’t cut it for various reasons?
Did you help those that couldn’t read, had long rap sheets etc get in?
Referred those that had reading/academic issues to the local Community College… as for the felons, the police/sheriff was usually glad to make a visit and pick them up (they had warrants or issues with the state Medical board).
Don’t forget color blindness, Doc.
Had one guy who wanted to be a nuke, and nothing but a nuke (recruiter oversold him) and when he found out he was color blind, he walked, even though there were other jobs available to him.
I recall having to teach one student about the metric system. It only took me about 20 minutes, but I gave him enough info to be able to read a map and understand clicks and the like. (Yeah, I’m not sure how he made it to AIT either.) Though he did learn quickly and was otherwise capable.
Sometimes you get Soldiers with one minor issue that can be corrected, which is fine. That’s another part of the Soldierization process, to make sure they are able to be Soldiers.
Though, that still doesn’t mean “we” should be helping every citizen with a problem to fix it.
With that answer C Long you just told us you didn’t serve.
Says the guy who has never filled out an SF-86 or had an SBI done on them.
C. Long, I’m going to go ahead and assume you’ve never served a sentence as a recruiter. Bottom line, 80%+ of Americans are not qualified for military service and even fewer are interested in a military career. The DoD says come hell or high water, there WILL be x amount of people in the military at all times because the vast majority leave after their 4 or 5 years are up. Screening is already more rigorous than most other occupations will ever be. If we implement the make believe stuff you’re proposing, the military will never make its manpower mission and we will have an understaffed military which will negatively affect national security. I don’t think I’m out of line by suggesting you should stay in your lane and let the big boys talk.
In regard to the untutored BS that clong is generating, it was my experience that there were people whose behavior BEFORE they enlisted was in the jackass category, and who changed drastically AFTER boot camp/basic to become productive human beings. They also excelled in the military when they learned that disciplined behavior became its own reward.
The idea that screening out young people who are act flighty before enlistment will result in a better military force is incorrect. There is NO such thing as a well-rounded enlistee or officer candidate.
Ever notice that Clong is always “Just asking questions”. Never has any actual ideas or suggestions, it’s always about ‘generating dialogue’ or ‘I’m just wondering’.
Which is it? I’m making factual statements without backing them up, trying to pass my opinion as fact or I’m just playing devils advocate generally? Can’t have it both ways
Ever notice how when one label doesn’t seem to stick you lot move on to the next, without giving it so much as a single intelligent thought.
Please show to the class what factual statements you have made.
And I think we do have a label that sticks for you – jackass.
BTW, how’s your boyfriend Lars doing? I figure you two must be dating, either that or you’re just a sock puppet for Lars.
….
Did you even read what you responded to?
And which is it, are we friends or the same person? I know we are whatever fits best at any given circumstance to lend weight to what anyone may say. Weak.
Weapons are locked in an Arms Room along with single soldiers personal weapons. Married soldiers can store their personal weapons at home but are not allowed to carry on post. Weapons arent simply lying around for any random shitbag to grab whenever they want…
Not all military professions are rigorous. A laundry and textile specialist is not going to be subject to the same training regimen as an infantryman…
I would disagree. They are rigorous in different ways. Having not done Infantry training that would just be opinion.
Fair enough but that depends on the definition of rigorous. For purposes of the military I think we can agree that rigorous would include the level of physical and mental stress inherent in the job. That still remains subject to the individual experience but i thinks its safe to conclude that an infantrymans job is more rigorous than most. Regardless of that, a person with mental issues is still capable of thriving and succeeding despite the rigors of any profession. We should not deny that opportunity because some people dont do enough research on what they are getting themselves into. Theres mental health problems and theres simple mental stupidity. Your argument lies with the individuals that are setting themselves up for failure. Not the institution that provided the opportunity to succeed…
All good points. It’s all something to ponder.
“More rounded candidates.”
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transvestite. Yea. Everybody wins!
More “rounded” candidates?
You do realize that the, “mentally, morally, and physically” is in fact taken seriously by most recruiters?
And that 70 percent of your average 17-21 years olds are NEE (Not Enlistment Eligible) under current guidelines?
Can you imagine the hue and cry of parents across the country if they were told little Johnny and Sally weren’t good enough for college, a $15/hr job, etc?
And you have the gall to think there aren’t standards to joining, or that people only join the military because there’s nowhere else to turn?
Here, have a nice big steaming bowl of GFY.
I can’t like this comment enough. When I was on the streets it was VERY COMMON for teachers, admin, parents, etc. to come at me with “oh here’s Billy, he dropped out of high school, has 4 possession tickets, can’t do math to save his life and/or is grossly overweight, we thought he could look at the Marine Corps to “turn him around.”” I would have to explain so many different times (to the same individuals, often), No. No, No, No Mrs. Soccermom. He does not qualify for military service. He is a shithead. He will not go overseas and guard embassies while holding a top secret clearance. How about giving me a list of high school SAT scores? Can I have that please?
So the leftovers should be given no opportunity to better themselves? Or just not through the military? In that we might actually be agreed, but then that begs the question: what as a society do we do about these leftovers?
Not sure but we certainly shouldn’t teach them how to fight and be familiar with weapons.
Clong-head, if idiocy was money, you’d make Bill gates look like a pauper!
C Long I’m at a loss for that, training is what the military do, all the time if your not doing what you came in for guess what TRAING time.
Your sophistry is showing. You are drastically overestimating what is actually taught in basic training. The points of your last comment hold no merit as they can easily learn to fight and become familiar with weapons without any military training. The military does not begin training by making someone more lethal than they already were. Basic training is designed to remove the selfish element of human nature by encouraging the individual to work as a group. The ones that understand and accept this reality succeed in the military and in everyday life. The ones that dont, whine about their selfish problems and blame all their woes on everyone around them. You should not be angry at the military for trying. We give them a chance when no one else will…
I know what is included in basic training. And yes you can get that sort of training elsewhere but it’s guaranteed in the military.
Even chaplains?
The civilian side is guaranteed just as much as the military. In both cases it comes down to how much of yourself youre willing to invest in the training. Regardless, it all comes down to the individual. Not the institution.
Spot on, API. Clongdong has completely and conveniently ignored the stated fact that someone getting an ELS discharge NEVER gets to touch or even look at weapons, never mind any training.
ELS includes the first 180 days so yes some that do get ELS discharges do receive weapon training among other kinds.
Darn right?
Wrong. My recruit training lasted 10 weeks. I never once saw or handled a weapon, until I got to an assigned duty station after “A” School, nearly a year later.
Wrong, clong. Very, very wrong.
I’m sorry but you are wrong. One can get an ELS discharge in his first 180 days on active duty. That covers basic and a good part of AIT depending on which you pick. Both include weapon training.
Let me rather say those 180 days CAN include basic and part of AIT
Actually ELS can be longer than 180 days. Some AITs for the Army are 6 months or more not counting BCT. Certain MI MOS’d personnel attend Basic, then go to DLI for language, then go to AIT after that.
Until you graduate from AIT, you are considered “IET” and can still be separated as an ELS option.
You also have “OT’s” (Out of Training) troops who might be injured or waiting for the next class to start and can wait longer to complete the IET process.
Yea? Well there you go. So 180 days unless you are still in training ?
Ugh.
Again, if you haven’t completed BCT and AIT yet, you can still be separated under ELS. There are other options for the commander, but it depends on the situation. (Court-Martial, Medical, etc.)
The day after you complete AIT, you are “permanent party” and cannot be ELS separated.
We had a troop who got stuck at Basic waiting, then stuck at AIT for a cycle waiting for the next one, then was recycled as a Soldierization recycle (back to day 1) and then finally separated for dumb-fuckery. He was in about 8 months total but was still given an ELS as opposed to the “he’s a dirtbag” separation some thought he should get.
ELS is a lot less paperwork and has a lot less requirements to it for pushing someone out, which is why ELS is a popular tool in the Cdr’s options.
I see, thanks. So people who have received ELS discharges have the potential to have had weapons training, my original point.
Potential, yes. But hardly the trained “steely-eyed killers” you’d so love to pimp out to all your liberal buddies.
So it went from not having any weapon training to potentially yes, just want to clear that all up.
Put it this way, clong–I got more training and evaluation when I applied to my local gun club than I got in boot camp.
I put more rounds downrange in one Saturday afternoon trip than I did my entire enlistment.
So, there’s that.
Was your BCT time the first you’ve used a weapon? For a some people it is. That would be a number I would be interested in seeing.
You were right and wrong, so that would equate to a 50% which is still a failing grade.
Saying initial firearm training is a causation for them to use that firearm for violent purposes is really a stretch.
That would be like saying kids who learn sex-ed in school will become prostitutes because they learned how to properly affix a condom.
“Saying initial firearm training is a causation for them to use that firearm for violent purposes is really a stretch.”
The only factual thing I said was that those with ELS discharges could have weapon training. Concerning those that do committing violent acts, its simply worth looking into all things considering. That is to say on the surface of things it doesn’t seem like a good idea to give weapon and combat training to mentally unstable people.
Every soldier needs to be given basic training to familiarize themselves if they have to fight. But, don’t think for even a second that training is something they can really use.
Weapon familiarization is only with the M16A2 rifle. You also get to crack off a few rounds of the M249 and learn how to use the M18 and throw a grenade. It’s the most basic of training that anyone can pick up through a gun class.
What you’re trying to imply is that Boot Camp gives you Special Forces level familiarization and training with several different weapons. That ain’t the way it works.
Not trying to imply that at all. And I’m not sure when and where you went to BCT but I remember it being a lot more than that. It’s whole point is to you know provide training in basic combat.
What you’re describing can only be applied to combat arms. In this day and age BCT for non-combat arms personnel is geared towards defense. They are only given familiarization with with a rifle and one live grenade.That is the extent of their combat training. Some are only shown the 249, the 240, etc. They are given no actual hands on training with them. A handful of road marches and patrols round out the rest of their training, but they are primarily taught to engage the enemy only to facilitate extraction. Any other training of this nature would only be provided once they are MOS qualified and arrived at their first unit.
My class in Ft. Jackson was the first to receive the one grenade for training purposes. Everyone fired the SAW, everyone practiced setting up a dummy claymore, but only one team set one off. Finally, everyone trained on the LAW, but only one person got to fire one for the company.
I agree that I was taught only enough to help me survive in combat if it came down to it. My unit taught me far more about combat than BCT (I was stationed with an Infantry unit).
My DS told me that BCT taught you how to be a soldier, not a warfighter. That kind of training was reserved for people not assigned behind a desk, driving a fueler, or in a warehouse.
Yep. Same thing we were all told at Benning. Your real training doesn’t start til you get to your unit. Everything prior to that is just enough for you to get your ass kicked at a bar…
How many times have we repeated the same thing? This dude was an entry level separation, Long. Chances are, he never even made it to the firearms portion of the training. VERY BASIC firearms portion where he simply learns how to shoulder the rifle and to not shoot himself in the foot. You keep assuming the military holds responsibility for mental conditioning and/or “training” that he simply has not had.
Geezuss- I thought this “conversation” about the piece o’ turd would never end.
PTSD from being away from mommy for a month.
Should have just jumped off a bridge POS.
Since the subject of this thread is Entry Level Separation, I have some observations that are pointed directly to the “C. Long” individual that has been posting lately.
In a couple of other threads, you have been asked straight up by at least four or five TAH members whether or not you have ever been in the service.
So far, all we have gotten from you is waffling, evasion, and some sort of a BS response like “I’ve been asked and answered that question multiple times.” If indeed you did answer that question here at TAH, count me in as one of the members who missed your answer.
Let me be the next TAH member to ask you now, straight up, “Do you have any military service in your background?”
I am beginning (no not beginning, I’m feeling pretty certain) to believe that you fall under the category of no service at all or received a Entry Level Separation from the service.
So here’s your chance to clear up the question once and for all. Do you or do you not have a military background?
We await your final answer.
My final answer has already been given. People seem to have no trouble using their copy and paste keys when it suits them, as someone on here told me “Do the leg work”
Regardless does me being a vet instantly lend more strength to my opinions? Not all vets think alike.
The question is a Yes or No question.
Yes, you do have military service, or No, you do not.
You have NOT already given your answer, but you do lie, evade, deflect and fail at argument whenever you get the opportunity.
Do you have military service?
Answer the question with a Yes or a No.
Ex-PH2, I think the answer is “NO!” regarding his ever having military Service, and NO, CLONG-HEAD, your time in high school JROTC DOES NOT COUNT regardless how proud it made your Mommy of you!!
Was never in JROTC. Did do the history club and made a crack at the chess club, just couldn’t play as well as I thought I could…or they were just much better haha
Sucked at chess?
Hypothesis confirmed.
We’ll just wait for his FOIA paperwork to arrive and see what we get…
That’s a way to go. You’ll see a military stint as about as Unnoteworthy and mundane as possible. Nothing I’ve never said before.
Not sure which thread specifically you mean, but using this method:
https://www.google.com/webhp?ie=UTF-8#q=%22c.+long%22+site:http://valorguardians.com
…I found a reference to this comment:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=58570&cpage=1#comment-2486753
…which indicates you served in the National Guard, perhaps active duty as well. I think you’re pretty batty on this stuff, but thank you for your service nonetheless!
Better search, easier to scan through:
https://www.google.com/search?q=“c.+long”+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fvalorguardians.com&biw=1332&bih=803&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A8%2F1%2F2013%2Ccd_max%3A9%2F1%2F2015&tbm=#q=%22c.+long%22+-%22C.+Long+on+%22+site:http://valorguardians.com&tbas=0
…and another answer to the question:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=58874&cpage=1#comment-2504696
I looked at those two posts by C. Long. The style is entirely different from the individual posting under that name here.
I don’t think it’s the same person. More like a sock puppet using someone else’s moniker.
I looked at the posts he found credited to me and I can assure you that those were in fact me posted by me. Not really sure how I could prove that though.
You of all people shouldn’t be professing that style is integral to identity seeing how your posts vary wildly between coherent and stereotypical moronic. Like you can’t decide on being the good little hanger-on or the know it all.
Someone did the leg work! Yes I served in both the National Guard and separately on Active Duty. And thank you, wasn’t anything anyone would make a movie though like some of these self admitted superstars!
SSG E, Thank You for that research.
A one time comment (by C. Long) on a thread that drew a total of 12 comments from the community seven months ago.
So much for him saying he had answered the question multiple times.
It would have been so much easier to have simply said “Yes, I served in the NG” the first time he was asked the question on one of the other threads, but he just wanted to play head games in an attempt to get attention.
I have answered it multiple times. You only found one I guess.
The intention wasn’t to be batty or whatever, it was to emphasis that having served or not was irrelevant.
Why should someone else be expected to answer the question you were asked?
You are a blatant liar.
There have been two C. Longs who post here. You are only one.
I think you are lying in your teeth, based on statements you’ve made here that show a lack of knowledge about anything military and a consistent refusal to answer direct Yes/No questions with a Yes or a No.
There has been two C. Long? You sure you aren’t thinking of Carlton G.?
You can not believe me or not which is your right. For what it’s worth I find your stereotypical response evident to the same end, that you have never served. Maybe I’m right, maybe not.
Worth pointing out that I wasn’t the one who brought it up and resisted commenting on it as military service is irrelevant.
I sent my info off to the blog admin long ago, you imbecile. He can pull an FOIA on me any time he wants to. I don’t have to lie about what I did.
Apparently, you do.
Why didn’t you say so? That convinces me!
Now, you’re boring and repetitive.
Wow, what a little shit bitch you are!
Someone did the research for you, here: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=58874&cpage=1#comment-2504696
And here you say: Someone did the leg work! at this comment: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=62123&cpage=1#comment-2686983
Aside from the fact that you seem to know nothing ABOUT the military, these things say that you are a liar and a fraud. End of story.
Point out where I’ve been asked about something militarily and I was incorrect. Just because I’m not an ultra conservative, or in your case just pretending, doesn’t mean anything about military knowledge. Plenty of moderates and yes even liberals wear our nations uniforms.
I won’t address the other points because I already have ad nauseam. Saying things over and over doesn’t make them true just like your tough chick routine doesn’t make any of us believe you are anything but an aging lonely spinster cunt. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out you play the “me too, I’m one of you” in topical forums all over the Internet. Anything to stave off the temptation to take a handful of pills and end it all.
There, broke my own rule again.
‘military service is irrelevant’ – No, it is not.
Most of the people who post comments here have combat experience. I do not. If I have questions, I ask and they are kind enough to answer.
They also ask me questions, which I answer, but unlike YOU, clong-dong, I do NOT insult these people by intentionally avoiding their questions, refusing to answer direct questions that require only ‘Yes’ or ‘No’, et cetera ad nauseum.
And because you refused to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a direct question about your own service, but instead waited for someone else to find an answer for you, you have made it clear that your only intent in being here was to be the center of attention.
“‘military service is irrelevant’ – No, it is not.”
Is it is. Military vets aren’t the only people with opinion on topics, like gun control, that affect all of us
“I do NOT insult these people by intentionally avoiding their questions,”
It insults them that people won’t jump through hoops for them? That’s a failing on their part, not mine.
“And because you refused to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a direct question about your own service, but instead waited for someone else to find an answer for you”
Yes, they found the answers that I gave.
“you have made it clear that your only intent in being here was to be the center of attention.”
The smartest one usually is. Comes with the job.
*Yes, it is
And, yet, you are hardly the smartest one in the room. You copy other people. You refuse to answer simple questions. You wait until someone else does YOUR homework for you and then say ‘Yes, that was it!’
A truly ‘smartest’ one does answer direct questions; does the homework and posts the links; does not copy other people.
You? You’re worse than that twit dab. You cheat. You lie. You mimic. You claim the work of other people as your own.
Oh, well.
First, I was kidding.
Second, how is someone quouting my own posts them doing the work for me?
As far as copying? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about and I suspect you don’t either. Just tossing labels around hoping something sticks.
You are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel here. I tell you what, once again I’m willing to let you retreat and regroup for another day if you’d like.
You know I’ve given the two C.Long thing a little more thought. I have posted, using the same name, from various places and devices. I’m not a huge tech guy but maybe that would provide different IP addresses? Which is the only way I know of that you could use to decide we were two different people. Which leads me to my next point…
If the names were exactly the same the only way you could possibly think we were two different people is if our IP addresses didn’t match, proving that the info I use to post here isn’t as closely held in confidence as was previous said. Give you a few to ponder that one out.
Tech guy? Shouldn’t that be ‘GIRL’?
Petty insult rather then addressing what was said. Textbook.
No. Not textbook. Book of real knowledge. You write like a girl.
The implication being that females write worse then men? I’m lost, a state I’m growing accustomed to anytime I see a post of yours.
Exactly the answer I expected. More waffling and obfuscation.
It was a Yes or No question to be answered straight up, not with some vague “My final answer has already been given.”
The question had nothing to do with weakening or strengthening your opinions.
I am now of the opinion you couldn’t even make it past a Recruiter, let alone going to a MEPS for a physical/testing.
If anybody else out there has seen his answer elsewhere, please give me a heads-up as to where it is. I’d like to read it for myself.
I was wrong. My apologies. (even though it breaks a Jethro Gibbs Rule)
He claims to have served in the NG based on one comment on one thread seven months ago.
I have zero respect for him not answering the question put in front of him in the present.
I’ve spoken of my service many times. Sorry it’s just not on command. Unlike some people my service is just a small part of who I am so I tend not to make it the first\only thing I mention about myself. In fact, it’s not something I even think about daily. I understand and respect that for some people it’s the cap on their lives so I don’t begrudge any that do.
What a dick.
No A Dick has a head.
I don’t believe anything clong-dong says. Period.
Finally something we have in common. I don’t believe a word you say either.
Let’s just say I’ve caught him bullshitting, and more than once.
Your turn, clong.
Not only that, SAE, she can only copycat what someone else says.
C. Long makes the rules Claw. Maybe you didn’t get the memo.
Yep, you’re right. Never got the memo. Could be because I’m not on the CC list.
All I did was ask a simple question. Didn’t realize I was ordering anybody to jump through hoops on command.
It’s just that I think C.Long seems to be one of those S-2 Crypto vault rats that always liked to play mind games with the troops in an attempt to display their superior intellects.
Hmm….lol
Operative word, “Attempt”.
Claw131,
His non answer/answer speaks volumes…
My answers already given speak volumes. So does my unwillingness to jump through hoops and by doing so, allow you to change the subject.
Vet or not, my opinions are just as valid and worthy of being shared as those of anyone.
No, your opinions are not valid.
You have NO military experience.
Your statements have made that clear.
You lose. And you can stop lying now.
You do know that the amount of time listed there could me he was part of the Fat Camp… Fitness Training Unit.
They keep you for a maximum of 4 weeks before giving you an Entry-Level Discharge, typically a General.
Wasn’t there a guy last year who shot two NYPD cops whose father blamed his two weeks at Parris Island six years ago for the attack?
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=57532
(I’m just a research MACHINE tonight, I tell ya’…)
You’re the man E.
He really is. Thanks.
This rotten potato hated Christians. Wonder if he smart mouthed a cadre or the brass about the religion in the Army in some manner? That could have caused the cadre to figure he’d not be able to work out without the douche getting court martialed later. So they ELSed him to prevent more expensive outcome later on. I’d love to see his RE code on his 214
I think we can all guess that he got an RE 3. Permanent bar to reenlistment. I’m more curious about his SPD code. That will tell you exactly why he was booted…
It’s been awhile but isn’t RE-3 waiver able? Long shot I’m sure but still…
There are different variations of the RE3 that are waiverable like RE3G that says you developed a physical problem that prevented you from continued service but is not a permanent ailment. last I checked though a flat RE3 is a permanent bar to reenlistment. I might be confusing it with RE4 but its been almost a decade since I was stuck on recruiting duty and I was more concerned with getting back to the infantry than filling out waivers…
Hmm, yea I’m not sure. You’d know better than I would having been a recruiter.
Wasn’t going to comment on this thread originally, because life is short (and I have mountains of homework plus farmwork etc to get through this weekend) but something goaded me into putting forth my perspective. Not as a member, past or current (or future) of any military I know of – I joined Star Fleet once many years ago as a Trekkie, but somehow I don’t think membership in a Star Trek fan club quite counts – but as someone attending a state school in the PNW. My school’s rules are unambiguous and very much against any weapons whatsoever on campus, thus joining the majority of schools in this country. Never mind that many students carry walking sticks or knives of varying lengths; there’s a ‘back to the land’ mentality, or pseudo-mentality, I’d say, among many of the students. (For some of them it’s legit, and some are even enrolled in agricultural programs.) I’ve seen everything from what used to be called a pen knife through to something Colonel Bowie wouldn’t necessarily turn his nose up at and the administration generally turns a blind eye. This is of course despite the rules and in no way an exception. The campus culture is definitely one of ‘firearms are evil and guns kill people will no one think of the children’. The campus police number less than a dozen, and the campus is cut off from the main city and major outlets by being a few hundred acres of woodland with at most two access points, and I believe but cannot swear to it that both access points are via offshoots from the same main road. There have been gradually escalating reports of violence, of people (not just women, not just lone individuals) being attacked on the less obviously trafficked parts of campus, and not always by lone attackers. There have also been increasing reports of theft. The advice given is to run away and try to get to one of the lit call boxes to contact security. These call boxes are located at fixed points around campus and in the parking… Read more »
He could have been a bed wetter
Maybe he checked yes on his medical form that asked him if he had night blindness. Technically its a trick question since nothing can see in the dark, but some people are too dumb to see the absurdity of the question and overthink it…
He was, what, 28 or so? A month in Basic and 27+ years elsewhere. Must be the Army made him do it. Those were some powerful few weeks.
As an obsessive TAH reader and casual poster, I’m beginning to develop the impression that C. Long is someone that TAH has outed as being a Stolen Valor perpetrator. I’m sure there’s a blog entry on this site outing C. Long by his/her real name for Stolen Valor.
That’s funny you should say that, I get that impression about more than a few people here myself.
The same people you claim are emailing you?
Funny how you still won’t give an answer to that question.
Oh, I think that’s just a piece of fiction, SAE.
No one except the admin has access to e-mail addresses, or can send e-mails to someone here without the consent of the intended addressee.
And anyway, this twig is not likely to be a target of anyone here.
Of course SHE has the option, and I would say right, also, to ask the administrator how to block those e-mails. But even that isn’t necessary, because if you get e-mails from some uninvited guest, you only need to direct them to the JUNK file. That stops those things for me. ALso, I always check the e-mail sender’s source, because 90% of those uninvited sources come from Nigeria, Hong Kong, Singapore and Macao and they all tell me that a deposit of $150,000,000 is waiting for my approval, to be deposited to my waiting account.
Now if clong-dong has been foolish enough to friend some unpleasant individuals on EffBee and they got her e-mail addie because of it, that has nothing to do with TAH.
I was going to use EffBee for some PR for something important, but the more I see what goes on there, the greater number of second thoughts I have about it.
If I didn’t know any better, I’d place an even bet that Insipid somehow slipped through the cracks. The only reason that one can’t actually say it is Ol’ Splinky is that he would do the copy/paste thing ad infinitum until he was blocked.
Most of us thought Insipid was a girl, but he turned out to be a gay guy who was doing English subtitle translations for Hungarian prong movies, or something like that. But the style is so similar, you see, that the possibility is there.
I can’t get over the fact that in an earlier post C. Long said that the Military should be responsible for treatment of recruits who are Failure to Adapt due to pre-existing mental issues.
That’s basically an open door for any shithead to lie to the recruiter and get free health care and get while they fake the funk for a year or so, then collect from the VA.
If C. Long believed his own bullshit, he’d be firmly against females trying to qualify for Ranger, SEAL, and Infantry. Think of the weapons training those gals get exposed to before they (might) fail. The risk to the general population is too great. Ban it! As C. Long would say: “Hell, fury, woman, scorn, you know the rest.” He’s a smart guy. If you don’t believe me, just ask him.
GDC, C. Long is not just a smart guy.
A little earlier on this thread (7:47 PM) came the revelation that he (or she?) is the SMARTEST guy on this entire blog.
Stand by, his need to be the center of attention and get the last word in will come in 3..2…1….
But for some reason, he/she wasn’t good at chess. Guess that’s where he got the chip on his/her shoulder. The high school chess club really needs to take resposibility for their role in this, if any. The potential risk seems too high to me not to.
There’s a conflict between what YOU know, CLAW131, and what clong appears to not know. There is that refusal to offer service references, until someone does the homework for clong.
I know what a ’22’ is, but does s/he/it? Hmmmm…
I think clong should answer that question, too, with no help from the audience this time.
Yep, someone quoting my own posts made previously is doing my own work for me.
I would be more insulted but I’m beginning to think you really think you are making some sort of point or case….which you are just not the one you think.
Yes, SSG E did the ‘leg work’ for you because you refused to do it yourself.
This is his comment after searching.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=62123&cpage=1#comment-2686980
And here is YOUR response http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=62123&cpage=1#comment-2686983
C. Long says:
October 2, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Someone did the leg work! Yes I served in both the National Guard and separately on Active Duty. And thank you, wasn’t anything anyone would make a movie though like some of these self admitted superstars!
You won’t do your own homework. You won’t answer direct questions. You regularly contradict yourself.
Fine. Enjoy the spotlight. Wallow in it.
Quoting my own posts proves that I’ve answered the questions myself, unless you want to stick with the doppelgänger story. It just irritates you that I won’t answer them again on command and let you change the subject. Any answer given again and again would be the same as I’ve said previously, not all of us change our stories to fit in.
Maybe you can’t believe it because it’s a distortion of what I said? I said there should be some sort of transitional assistant, yes to include health care if necessary, if the problem was made worse due to military service of any length.
If something becomes a significant medical issue during BCT, they will get treated for it. That’s already a given. Does that mean they will get 100% healed for something that became more egregious during training? No. The VA doesn’t fix me 100% for my issues after 22 years. But they will do something to repair the person to make them more functional. Sometimes its a lump sum payment to them, sometimes its a surgery, etc.
22 years of service? They should.
I have no doubt they fix physical problems to a significant satisfaction, but do they help with mental issues? Should they? That’s the question.
They can’t fix everything. No doctor can fix everything. Many of the physical issues they treat can’t be “fixed”. Especially after decades of physical exertion.
I get disability for those issues because of the damage caused. It will suffice.
And they do provide mental issue support in various ways. The amount of capability for providing that support has significantly improved the last 15 years.
But as I mentioned above, how does someone really have a need for mental support after a month of duty? (Short of extreme or significant incidents happening, which is doubtful in his case.)
I don’t know if they do need extra help after only x days of service, that’s part of the question. Mental issues are finicky for lack of a better word, what sets then off? Makes them worse? Can you say for certainty that *insert problem* wasn’t made worse by that persons experience in the military? Of course we have already covered the weapons training aspect.
If the military doesn’t want to do a better job screening then they need to be willing to own up to their role, if any, in making those who slip by with problems worse off than before. The potential risk seems too high to me not to.
“If any”
What if there isn’t any?
I suppose that Police Departments should be held responsible for academy washouts? Maybe even local school districts for HS dropouts?
No. Your argument fails in so many ways. You appear to me as one who has failed at some endeavor (perhaps the military) but instead of accepting the responsibility of that, wish to think that the organization failed you and still owes you a trophy.
Typical millennial way of thinking.
Swing and miss. In so many ways.
Proof.
I wanted to date the prom queen when I was in high school, but she turned my sorry ass down. I was badly traumatized by the episode and blame the school for letting it happen. I’ve tried to seek medical help, but when I called a doctor, all he could suggest was to put the lime in the coconut.
This is an outrage; somebody needs to send me money…
(Note: The preceding is for parody purposes only. I actually did date the prom queen once. She was a sweetie, and I hope she had a happy life.)
Why the hell in the wide world of sports WOULDN”T the Military want to do a better job of Screening?
It speaks Volumes of your lack of knowledge about the military if you dont think the Military doesnt spend a great deal of time on that issue.
Its not in the Military’s interest to grab just anyone and throw them in recruit training.
Like someone already pointed out only about 30% of High School Grads are even eligible to jion the service do to educational, Mental, physical and Moral standards. Thats not even considering how many of those 30% have legal problems or substance abuse issues.
I did two tours at the Recruit Depot In San Diego. There is a lot of coordination going on between the recruit training regiment and the recruiting command. In fact they have the same Commanding General.
Quality control is the largest issue in recruiting. Every time a recruit is dropped the DI from his Platoon calls the recruiter and lets them know why.
If a recruiter is found to be putting in recruits fraudulently his ass is grass and his career is over.
To come here spouting off that the Military doesnt really want quality recruits and hasn’t thought of improving the process speaks volumes of your knowledge on the subject.
And there it is. Thank you, Old Dog.
Might want to go back and read my previous comments on that specific issue. Of course they would want to do a good job but do they? Clearly some bad eggs still get in right? Can the blame solely be on them for lying\hiding things? Should it?
FACT: Diarrhea of the mouth is a symptom of having SHIT FOR BRAINS, and you’re a shining example of that, Clong-boy!
Fact: you seem to have some sort of obsession with the general regions including the penis and anus.
Is that closet small?
While we’re at it, we’ll blame schools for kids who fail because they never showed up to school. We’ll blame stop signs when people don’t stop for them. We’ll blame society for one person doing something wrong. We’ll blame the internet for people getting child porn from it, rather than the pedophile dirtbag who sought it.
Sometimes no matter what you do, you can’t change someone’s outlook on life and what they will do with it. This guy wanted to be famous so much so that he would do anything to make that happen.
Even Timothy McVeigh, being in the Army for less than 4 years doesn’t mean the Army had anything to do with him becoming a terrorist. I identified him because you brought him up above. He learned about explosives from books (off wikipedia), along with other things like sniper tactics. He wasn’t provided training by the army in how to create fertilizer bombs, where to place them for maximum effect, etc.
By his own admission the things he saw and had to do in the military contributed to his state of mind. Is the military responsible solely? Of course not. Did it play a part? He seems to think so and its a question worth asking and investigating don’t you think?
Standard defense tactic, blame your environment and upbringing and the butterfly that flaps its wings in the Amazon….
No, I don’t think its worth investigating. If there was something significant about his month-ish on active duty, I’m guessing it would’ve been known by now. It only provides another option for the mainstream media to throw another “ohhh, another crazed veteran!” headline out there about this for ratings.
There were real veterans there, one of which was very heroic because of his service. His story is worth investigating. Not this dirtbag.
Hmm, well if that’s your position it’s your position.
I won’t comment on the bravery aspect of the vet in question.
HEY o booger-eating bedwetting thumbsucking candyass, said shooter was also thrown out of a private firearms training course. One of the instructors was quoted as saying it was due to his immaturity, is THAT also the U.S. Army’s fault, o sniveling little Sparkle Pony?
You are SO full of shit!
Never said the shooting was the US Army’s fault. I said it was something worth looking into; that is what role if any his service played.
Will you shut up, Centimeter Long Shlong?
Sure are a lot of people in this topic obsessed with penises. Hey it’s the 21st century after all.
I’m a little late to the party. I see I missed the fun. So what was this all about? Was it about the shooter at that college in Oregon? Or was it about C. Long?
Well, I have a question, myself. Based on what I see here, C. Long has not only refused to answer direct questions, but has changed the subject repeatedly to be about him. And I’ll say ‘him’, to give ‘him’ the benefit of the doubt.
If we can find out what C. Long’s MOS was, that should settle a lot of questions, shouldn’t it?
So what was your MOS, C. Long? You should be able to answer that basic question without fear of some weird reprisal. All of these people who are ex-military can tell us what their MOSs were in a heartbeat. It’s no secret.
Based on C. Long’s posts, I’d guess a 71C. Would that be accurate, C. Long? Just a yes or a no answer. If it isn’t, then please tell us what your MOS was.
Thank you.
It’s irrelevant what my MOS was. Just a pathetic attempt to change the subject. Does any one MOS have more of an opinion then another?
By the way it’s not unnoticed that you show up at certain times after certain people are thoroughly made fools of.
You sound like a profile-riding “Sham-meister” that gets its thrills from thinking you’re one-upping those who have accomplished something, get a life, you booger-eating dweeb!
It was just a question. There is no need to be defensive.
If you had served you’d know what it means and how it relates to you. Answering that question will clear the air, you see. Refusing to answer a simple question like that, which is not a secret and certainly does not invade your privacy or give away anything about you personally, is your choice. There is, however, no reason to be defensive at all.
Furthermore, I haven’t changed the subject, because the subject is you. How did that happen? You hijacked the thread to get the attention centered on you.
You are the only person who has been made a fool.
‘By the way it’s not unnoticed that you show up at certain times’ – oh, gee, now you’re stalking my every movement?
Well, it’s a free country. I come and go as it pleases me. What’s it to you what I do? Answer that.
I do know what it means, I just don’t see how it relates to the topic.
Oh and you are right it’s a free country. People are free to say what’s on their mind. Just like people are free to notice similarities in posting styles and the fact that, according to the recent posts information, you seem to always post right before or after another who shall remain nameless. Hmm, coincidence I’m sure.
One thing’s quite clear, his MOS had nothing to do with intelligence.
Oh, I get it. You think I’m sock puppeting Ex-PH2, or vice versa.
I get it. Yes. Of course I am. I do that all the time. I also sock puppet Helen Waite. She works in the same office I do. If you need something, you go to Helen Waite.
Ha! Damn! Beat me to it. Now that WAS clever, PH!
Did I say that? Ahahahahahahha
Well, considering that DT lives at Mallard Bay and I’m a very long distance from there, AND we know each other through this blog and communicate regularly, it might appear that one of us was sock puppeting the other. And we actually do that sometimes.
But she gets up before I do. Different time zone. Long physical distance between us.
As I did call her attention to this thread, she noted it. She was quite nice and polite in the way she asked you for some very basic information.
You refuse to answer valid direct questions, but when someone else finds some info posted by someone with an ID the same as yours, suddenly you claim it. If you had said ‘worked in supply’ to answer DT’s question, that’s sufficient. You wouldn’t even do that.
That’s why I said I believe you’re a liar and a fraud. Now I believe it more than ever.
“And we actually do that sometimes.”
Admitting something we already know in the guise of being transparent, a liberal trick if I’ve ever seen one.
“As I did call her attention to this thread, she noted it. ”
I’m not surprised you felt you had to get backup.
” She was quite nice and polite in the way she asked you for some very basic information. ”
Yes, “she” was. I was also polite in my declining and the reason why.
“You refuse to answer valid direct questions, but when someone else finds some info posted by someone with an ID the same as yours, suddenly you claim it.”
Sigh, really this again? Ok one more time. I have answered those questions as EVIDENT by the posts found written BY ME. If you want to stick to the doppelganger excuse not much I can do there to prove it untrue. I suspect you don’t really think that though, it’s just a position of desperation in a long line of desperate positions you have taken.
“That’s why I said I believe you’re a liar and a fraud. Now I believe it more than ever.”
Again, we have something in common in how we think about each other. Question is what to do about it. Want to acknowledge the impasse and move on or keep snipping at each other? Get more nasty? Because I can do that as well and let me assure you that I’ll upstage you in that as well.
Go right ahead.
Clong-boy, you remind me of a little dweeb my platoon got stuck with in A-stan. Like you, he also acted like an eleven year old, and he got choked out by someone at least six or eight times a day!
Yea I seriously doubt that last part. I’m sure there was a lot of talk but no action.
I’ve begun to wonder whether C. Long and Lars might be one and the same. At first I didn’t think so, as their points of view seem somewhat different, with C. Long capable of making reasonable-sounding statements from time to time. On he other hand, I’ve noticed some coincidences/similarities:
1. C. Long ramps up from near-zero to warp speed just about the same time that Lars says “I’m outa here. No, seriously, I’m outa here. No, I really mean it this time, I’m gone.”
2. Both waltz as newbies into a long-established forum, in which the culture includes that the vast majority of posters use screen names, and both start in with the “Y’all are pussies for not using your real names” shtick.
3. Both clearly think they they are the smartest person in the room, and it’s their mission to put the rest of us rubes in our place.
4. Both ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD.
I’d agree except for a couple of things.
Lars is a motor mouth, but his posts at least make some sort of sense. He does hijack a thread and go off-topic, and his posts are long enough to put you to sleep, but he does answer questions. He doesn’t expect anyone to do his ‘legwork’ for him.
C. Long changes the subject like Lars, but clong also waffles, obfuscates, and repeatedly refuses to answer direct questions. And until someone actually digs something up related to a question, clong refuses to answer the question but then claims the result of the research, as in his/her comment AFTER SSG E found the link to a prior comment in another thread by a C. Long.
I don’t really care about clong’s service, if there was any, but evading the answers to questions and then making accusatory statement about people who post here under pseudonyms is as phony as you can get.
If you don’t care(ie it’s not important) why keep bringing it up?
Give you a second on that or would you like me to answer?
Why? OK, dimwit. Here you go.
YOU like the attention.
YOU groove on it.
YOU think you’re clever.
YOU want to always have the last say.
“YOU like the attention. ”
But your posts are indicative of something else? Why is it just because L. Taylor, or myself or Tom or whoever disagree with the majority, that makes our posts attention seeking in comparison to all the others. In terms of berth you alone post more wide spreed than I do.
“YOU groove on it. ”
You are trying to hard to fit the role you wrote for yourself. Groove? Really?
“YOU think you’re clever. ”
I know I am.
“YOU want to always have the last say.”
I respond when responded to. It’s called conversation\dialogue. I’m not the one going into other topics and mentioning me just to try and get a rise. “Golly gee I wish these attention seekers would go away! To that end lets bring them up at every turn!” hahaha
* widespread
‘I respond when responded to. It’s called conversation\dialogue.’
No, it’s actually being a ‘control freak’.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE LAST WORD.
Well then I guess we have the same infliction. Maybe they’ll find a cure one day.
FACT: You’re a juvenile idiot.
Geez, you couldn’t find the right word in a dictionary if someone pointed it out to you, and even if he did, you’d argue about it.
It’s AFFLICTION. Got that?
And no, we don’t have the same affliction. I just keep posting to see how long it takes you to stop running your suck.
Back to the grammatical and spelling stance. Weak. When others do it they blame speech to text or what have you but I won’t bother with a reason, anyone petty enough to take that stance won’t listen anyway.
Lars was clueless. C. Long is willfully ignorant. I think what they have in common is a need for lithium.
“Both absolutely must have the last word.”
To the TAH Nation, I feel the need to apologize for what has happened. I know who Lars and Clong are: my ex-wives. And apparently they have followed me here.
Wives not wife. Says a lot.
Yep. Failure to adapt to military life.
Apparently you ARE one of my exes.
You get one more ex-wife and you’ll be halfway to being SF-qualified.
MSG Eric that will only get him a ride down Chicken Road to the Gates of Camp Mackall lmao.
I’m always on the hunt for the next ex-Mrs nbcguy…
Divorce laywers are standing by (on speed dial).
Do I get a silver oak leaf cluster for wife number six?
nbcguy, no, not a silver OLC. More like a silver knot for the GCM.
As in the old saying “I’ll tie a knot in your ass if you ever do that again.”/smile!!
No,wait, or was the old saying “I’ll slap (yeah,slap) a knot in your ass if you ever do that again.”
Sometimes it’s tough to remember things correctly when you’re going through the initial stages of CRS.
A knot sounds appropriate. If I ever hit that number it’ll be the knot in the noose I hang myself with.
Just as long as the noose wasn’t made from her last usable pair of pantyhose.
If you did that, she’d never let you hear the end of it.
I did that with a pair of my wife’s hose way back when as a way of packing axle grease into the front wheel bearings of my pick-up.
36 years later, it still rears it’s ugly head every once in a while.
The wives used to get upset when I used their pantyhose for boot polishing…
NBC it sounds like you could have used the counsel of one of my old Company SGM’s. Our Bn CSM would send soldiers to him for counseling if they were getting a divorce. He had been married 7 times and whatever disaster a soon to be ex could bring to bear had already been done to him by one of his ex’s. Lol man he was a character!!
I see Clong sitting in his throne room with a long towel clasped around his neck with a clothespin, wearing footie pjs and sporting a Burger King crown, holding a rolling-pin scepter and, in his waistband, a cardboard dagger. He sits on his throne, deeming this and that comment fair or unworthy of a reply or what have you. He is King Clong, master of his universe.
I see you as a barely was reading any and all military sources you can, highlighting which parts you would like to assimilate into your own story.
I’d wager we are both wrong though.
Can anyone translate the clongese?
I can. You are at best an embellisher and at worst a phony. Any other questions?
I think you would be very hard pressed to find any mention of 2/17’s service, embellished or otherwise, on this blog. Maybe you can find someone else to do your homework for you, again.
Yes. What’s you full name and address?
OH, I just love this stuff.
2/17 Air Cav was in the Army stationed in Vietnam, before you were even a twinkle in somebody’s water bucket.
So he says. Am I not afforded the same jump to conclusion ability others here are?
Actually, King Clong, I didn’t say that.
Now that’s funny.
Entirely right, my apologies. You have mentioned your “3 overseas tours” though on more than one occasion. So am I safe in calling that into question simply because we don’t agree and you won’t provide more info on cue?
Dafuque are you talking about you twit? Lay off the glue. It’s not helping matters. I’d clue you in but prefer not to do so. Asshole. Hey, do you hang out with a guy named Joe in his mother’s basement? Let us know how he is. He’s been absent from here for quite a while. Perhaps you write gay porn. Maybe you know that guy, too. It’s quite a club you belong to now, Clong.
Where did gay porn come into the conversation? Just something on your mind I suppose.
So you prefer not to “clue me in” on command and it’s ok? But I exercise the same right and I have something to hide. Seems fair to me.
I keep saying to myself about you, “It must be just a bbad act. No one could possibly be that dense and self delusional. But there you are clong, clad in your towel cape being that dense and self deluded. Have you located those military service assignment that you attribute to me? Keep looking, you twit. Perhaps you would like to provide me with your full name and address now. After all, you say you provided them here previouly, though no one has seen them. But, if you have, one more time wouldn’t hurt then, would it? I have to tell you something, Clong. My major concern in dealing with you is that you will not grasp half the insults and aspersions being cast at you, deservedly. What a waste, if that’s true.
I did look and you are correct, I’m attributing something to you that you did not say, it was someone else. I could say it’s hard to keep track of all the responses, which is why I miss some, but still no excuse. I apologize for attributing that to you.
That said I stand by my other comments.
Next time, Twit, ID your target before you shoot.
Apt advice. I would suggest we all take it.
No, HE didn’t say that.
I did, you moron.
You really like provoking people.
You should go into politics… in China.
Now it’s provoking? I’m only doing what I’ve been taught by the long timers here. Using the fact that we disagree on some political issues to call into question his service. After all all vets think exactly the same.
Oh, well that makes everything just hunky-dory, doesn’t it?
You get to flaunt some thing you don’t have and then wait for the reaction from people. It must be hard not being worshiped.
If you’re looking for the sacrificial goat, try the bathroom mirror.
The only goats that get sacrificed around here are made of feta cheese.
What? You are falling apart here and it’s sort of sad.
You need to buy a new microphone, C. Long. The one you have is shattered, given the number of times you’ve dropped it in this thread alone.
I think he’s cracking on all the “there I was” stories you have told about your military service. Not that I’ve ever heard you tell them. C. Long cares not for minor details though. As he would say, “shoe, fit, wear…you know the rest” and then he would mindlessly eat another cheeto while adjusting his cardboard crown.
I know where he erred but I’m not about to tell him. Right now he’s trying desperately to find what cannot be found, because it does not exist. He’s one dumb shit but, then, you already knew that, GDC.
Yeah, subtlety is not my strong suit.
Sorry about the VN bit, Air Cav. I knew what clong-dong was going to say, but I wanted to see it get archived.
No problemo.
And his throne is in the corner, surrounded by wet paint.
Again, some more?
Again, shut up, Centimeter Long Shlong.
Here’s a report from Reuters on this jackass. Go down the page; toward the bottom, there is a brief statement that the gunman was turned away from a shooting range because he seemed odd to the range manager.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/04/us-usa-shooting-oregon-idUSKCN0RV5EP20151004
Did you notice in pictures of him, he is sporting the BCG’s (birth control glasses)? I’m beginning to think the Army was responsible after all…
//SARC
He was probably too cheap to go buy new cool glasses after he was booted.
Hey, those BC glasses were what I wore in high school. They were all the rage back in them there Dark Ages. I wanted a pair with rhinestones on them. I should also note that glasses back then cost about $15/pair.