Mike Warren; the phony POW, phony vet; aided in deception by the media
I get so tired of this shit sometimes. This is the tale of Mike Warren written by Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, Alabama Messenger. And quite tale it is. Mike Warren claims that he was a Vietnam veteran and a POW. When Jaine was told by Captain John “Mike” McGrath, a real and fairly famous Vietnam POW that Warren wasn’t a POW, she mumbled something about the fact that she had known him for years. Not well enough, apparently. This is what she wrote about her friend;
Mike Warren knows that, had it not been for a skinny, redheaded boy from Tulsa, Okla., no American soldiers would have left that valley in Vietnam alive.
“Two of us made it out alive. I owe my life to Capt. Terry Gardner, no doubt about it,” Warren said. “If he had not disobeyed orders and come back for us, we would have been dead.”
Warren was a member of the U.S. Army’s 101st Cavalry Division during the Vietnam “war.” His squad was boxed in a valley in a hot landing zone.
“The helicopters had come in and gotten some of our squad out,” Warren said. “Many had been killed, but me and another soldier were still alive. The choppers had been ordered to stand down. There were just too many North Vietnamese. We didn’t stand a chance.”
Warren said Capt. Terry Gardner heard the radio communication to “stand down” but he disobeyed the direct order and came in.
“He got us out – saved our lives – and we didn’t know until later that he got hit twice coming in for us, once in the left side and again in the leg.”
Y’all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha? No, me neither. In another article written by his minion Treadwell, he tells the same story and says that it happened in 1963;
Warren, a member of the Army’s 101st Cavalry, had his kneecap blown off in the fierce fighting in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1963. He lay on the battlefield gripped with pain and knowing that he would not be going home.
Aside from the fact that there is no 101st Cavalry Division, the 101st AIRBORNE Division didn’t arrive in Vietnam until 1965, when it was still Airborne. It didn’t become an air assault division until 1968. The 1st Cavalry Division arrived in Vietnam in 1965, too, in case Warren forgot the name of the division he was stationed with over there, you know, like we all forget our unit designations. In fact, all maneuver elements weren’t committed to Vietnam until 1965 you know, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964.
Thirteen members of Warren’s squad were captured by the North Vietnamese and placed in bamboo cages at the river’s edge.
“The river water was not cold but it got cold,” he said. “The water was constantly moving and the longer you stayed in there, the colder it got. You couldn’t sit down in the cages. You had to stand there with the water rushing over you with just your head above the water. And there was almost no way that you sleep. Sometimes, we would try to reach across the cages and hold each other up so we could get a little sleep and sometimes just to keep a man’s head out of the water so he wouldn’t drown.”
When a soldier was taken from his cage, it was to be interrogated and tortured.
One torture technique was taken from the Russians. It was called “stooling.”
“The enemy would put you on a three-legged stool and tie your arms behind your back braced with a bamboo stick and your legs tied together, too,” Warren said. “Three North Vietnamese would question you and, no matter what your answer was, one of them would kick the stool out from under you and you would hit the floor on your shoulder or your face or your back. They would pick you up, ask you another question and kick the stool out from under you. They would do that over and over until you gave them what they thought they wanted or until you passed out.”
Warren said, from time to time, one of the soldiers would be taken from the cages to be killed.
“Sometimes they would give one soldier a gun and force him to shoot another,” he said. “Death was always five minutes away.”
Warren and the other members of his squad were “caged” in captivity for about 17 days. One fateful day, the camp was empty except for one guard who fell asleep and Warren and another soldier overpowered him and escaped.
Two came out.
Warren returned to his unit and was often the one sent to scout an area and report back what he was seeing. He would be on his own for days. When he could sleep, he often slept in trees.
“I got to a point where I could go six days and six nights without sleep,” he said. “But on the seventh day, I would begin to hallucinate and see all kinds of boogie men.”
Warren was on another “map starved” mission when his squad got lost and was captured by the North Vietnamese.
“There were a half dozen of us and they would have killed us if they’d had time,” he said. “But another unit was also lost and stumbled upon us and overpowered the Vietnamese. Together, we made our way back to our units.”
Warren remembers vividly when his unit engaged the enemy and one of the American soldiers, who was welding a 50-caliber machine gun, stepped on a “Bouncing Betty.”
“We were going across a rice paddy and began taking fire from along a tree line and one of our men stepped on a Bouncing Betty, a mine that wouldn’t go off until you took your foot off,” he said. “The soldier was standing there with that big heavy gun and taking fire, knowing if he moved he would be blown to bits.”
When the firing died down, the American soldiers wedged their bayonets under the soldier’s foot and he was able to “dismount” the mine.
“When he woke up the next morning, every hair on his body had fallen out,” Warren said. “He was a black man and his skin had turned almost white, all from the tremendous rush of adrenalin. I’d never seen anything like that. None of us had. But that’s what fear can do to a man.”
Warren returned home from his first tour of duty and was enjoying the comforts of being home until Uncle Sam “invited” him back to Vietnam. He didn’t have to sign up for a second tour of duty in Vietnam but his country needed him and he knew the consequences of not going back.
Yeah, according to the Department of Defense, the only Warrens who were POWs in Vietnam were Air Force personnel, two were Captains (one classified Remains Returned and the other is presumed dead) and the only E-5 was Remains Returned.
Yeah, so here’s the kicker, after two attempts to find his records, NPRC still couldn’t find any.
Maybe that’s what he meant, it wasn’t him that was held in a tiger cage, it was his military records jacket. I’ve sent a link to Jaine Treadwell, but she might need to be motivated given her previous reticence to properly inform her readers and her editor, Robbyn Brooks. You can email Jaime at jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com and Robbyn at robbyn.brooks@troymessenger.com .
Thanks to Pat all of his hard work on the background for this story.
Category: Media, Phony soldiers
Interestingly enough, George also portrayed a Kachin Ranger in the Frank Sinatra WWII combat film “None But the Brave”, set in the jungles of Burma. That Kachin Ranger must have emigrated from Burma to Vietnam after WWII, and his son became an ARVN LLDB dai uy serving with COL Mike (and of course we all know his great great great great great great great grandson served in Starfleet…)
Meanwhile, around the press room of the Troy Messenger we hear Crickets.
@90. Is that how he lost his eye? Years later, I heard he had headed West and was involved in some some sort of shooting.
@104 I think so…he became a cowboy then a cop? I’m not too sure…so I will have to ask Ex-POW Mike Warren. He should fill us all in.
I heard that ex-POW Mike Warren was the inspiration for the “COL Braddock” character played by Chuck Norris in the “Missing in Action” movies. If you are portrayed by Chuck Norris, then you KNOW Mike Warren is legit…
@101 – Maybe it’s Bang Ding Ow?
#103-Frankly Opinionated:
Maybe it is time to contact their Facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Troy-Messenger/49304321607
You all are the greatest. Can’t say that much about the Troy Messenger Staff. Maybe Warren ate all the crickets around Troy (he learned that while he was in that durn cage)….
Ex-PH2, I think it’s Sum Ting Wong, and his Sister, Sum Dum Chik!
And his brothers He So Fat and Fud Fier Him
Ho Lee Dung
I just spoke to Ms. Robbyn Brooks, Managing Editor of the Troy Messenger. She claims that Mike McGrath never contacted them, and that it is unfortunate that no one gave them an opportunity to run anything before going hot on the blog. She claims that he has been recognized by local veterans groups, and was referred from them for the article. She said he also speaks to organizations about his exploits, which just made me sick. Ms. Brooks stated that they have records requests in, and have contacted the local Veterans Service Officer for assistance. I told her that fact-checking should be done before an article is run and not after. I advised her that it’s probably in her best interest to pull the articles until they get their facts straight. I told her that all of this stuff is easily found through Google, and that Stolen Valor is an epidemic. Full of excuses, but I think they are afraid of embarrassing the guy.
112: This shitbird NEEDS to be embarrassed! The newspaper seems to be helping to enable this POS to spin his fantasy; the sooner the paper realizes it needs to stop with the fantasy-enabling, the better…
@JP, the editor of the paper is afraid of embarrassing this individual?
If he robbed a bank at gunpoint or grabbed that silly woman’s purse right out of her car, would she be quite so reluctant to embarrass him? What kind of bass ackwards attitude is this?
Hey, shitbag forgot the part about biting the head off a rat that was in a bag put over his head– now, wait, that was Missing in Action II, not The Deerhunter.
As far as Ms. Brooks goes, maybe she wasn’t told about Warren, but Treadwell was;
Delivered-To: pownetwork.org
From: mmcgrath
To: jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:26:06 -0600
Subject: Mike Warren…Never a MIA/POW in the Vietnam War
CC: pownetwork.org
Ms. Treadwell…..
No man named Mike Warren was ever with any one of us, the real 662 surviving POWs of the Vietnam War, nor is there any record of such a stupid tale known by the Department of Defense. The DoD official listing of all 3,887 MIAs (to include all POWs) is at:
http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/vietnam/reports/
Mr. Warren is not listed. You have been conned by a fraud. I hope you request his official records with a Form 180 request so you can expose this guy in a future article.
To expose this guy’s lies, ask him for just one name of any of those 13 men captured. Since there is no documented proof, he will not give you a single name. If 13 men were MIA, they would all be listed as MIA/POWs on the DoD website I gave above.
Best wishes,
Captain John M. McGrath, USN (ret)
POW in Hanoi 5 years 8 months
NAM-POWs, Inc. Historian
http://www.nampows.org
Sounds like a combination of Deer Hunter, Fire Base Gloria, and Missing in Action. I can tell this faker likes his movies.
@117.
Firebase Gloria.
Old school.
Disgusting reaction from the paper. (Not that we really needed further confirmation of their incompetence at best or potentially something much worse.)
These clowns need to be reminded of their responsibilities as journalists. They are given special rights under the Constitution not because they are special little snowflakes but so that they can freely report the truth. It is past time for them to take their responsibility seriously.
@46 Thanks, Hondo. Looking at that photo more closely, I can tell that it’s probably older than I thought.
I wrote these two ladies about Warren, and this is the reply I got August 2 (AFTER Captain McGrath wrote to Treadwell:
“John,
Thanks for getting me this information.
We were introduced to Jason Allen through the non-profit helping him with a dog.
This is very interesting!
Thanks again!
Arezow”
–
My reply:
“I don’t see how he was introduced to you is relevant to the fact that he is a fraud, an imposter trying to project a heroic image that doesn’t exist.
You folks put him in the spotlight without checking his story. When are you going to publish a correction to the story?
By the way…if I were you, I’d pay VERY close attention to what Capt McGrath emailed to your editor.”
And I quoted Capt McGrath’s email from above.
Looks like the paper has taken down both of the stories. A good first step. Now, let’s see if they follow through and correct the record.
I cc’d the editor on my e-mail, also. Still no reply. I recommended that they have the jackwad fill out and sign an SF-180 for them with the result to be sent directly to them. I know that the military BS detector is weak with most civilians, but really, who hasn’t seen at least one of the movies that he is using for inspiration?
Boy you guys are a bunch of losers. If the guy made up a story it’s on him so why don’t some of you tough guys tack him down and do something about it. Do you dip weeds think a newspaper in a small town has a bunch of fact checkers sitting around? People have been spinning stories in small town papers forever. Get a life people.
@123 – you’re right, it’s totally unreasonable to expect a newspaper reporter to check the facts of a story before publishing it in a newspaper. How silly of us to think otherwise! Thanks for setting us straight.
@123.
Actually, smart ass, in small towns everyone knows everyone.
Especially in LA.
My best guess was “intentionally overlooked” to fill space.
Not justifying it; stating the obvious. And you never know who goes to church together.
You definitely contributed to this, sorta, not really.
Green Thumb: correct. I grew up not too far from that area. Unless you moved there as a teen or an adult, everyone there knows “who’s your daddy”. They also know who are your cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, when you got in trouble as a kid, who you dated in high school – and whether or not you’re a BS artist.
If I’ve IDed this guy correctly, “John”, he’s a salesman these days. I’ll refrain from being more specific as I don’t want to tip where he works. Some real Vietnam vet who lost friends there might go see him and do something stupid.
Many salesmen become damn good at BS in order to be successful. I’m guessing this guy is that kind of salesman.
She said she knew him but if you Internet sleuths did some work you’d see he was a transplant who had only lived there a few years. Maybe she was duped.
@126.
War Eagle!
Green thumb you need to move on from Vietnam. It was over 40 years ago.
John, obviously a liberal, believes that if it is printed it is “Good to Go”, the hell with the facts. Probably feels the same about all the crap that the MSM spews.
And, I wonder how he ties Vietnam to this reporters lack of professional standards.
@129.
Vietnam?
That was my father’s war.
I am not that old.
I think she was just telling the guys story as he told it. If he lied or start used the truth that’s his problem. You bunch of dolts think a small town newspaper in Alabama is going to fqct Che I stuff like the me York times are crazy. It was a fluff piece and whom cares
Green Thumb: you have my sympathies. (smile)
We’ll see this year if #11 (and 3 in a row) is in the cards. Roll Tide.
John: I suggest you ask a real Vietnam Vet who lost friends there if they care.
Just make sure you’re out of arms reach when you do – they might try and answer that question physically vice verbally.
@133.
The West is tough.
Strongest mini-conference in the game.
And even Miss State looks to win 9 again this year.
@132 – you’ve confused “reporter” with “stenographer”.
@133.
I will pull for the Tide out of conference, but not in.
They are tough; I know.
I hate Saban with a passion, but he is worth every penny.
Actually, I always thought it would be interesting to sit in an adjacent stall when he takes a dump.
Know telling what you might learn or find out.
Just saying….
Agreed about the SEC West. And the SEC East won’t be pushovers either – FL, SC, and GA all look to be damn good too. Auburn’s due for a rebound, and maybe TN too.
I’m not guessing another NC to be in the cards for ‘Bama this year, frankly. I think the talent is there, but 3 in a row would simply require too much going right for a third straight year.
But you never know. As one wag put it: “That’s why they play the games.” (smile)
“I think she was just telling the guys story as he told it.” JohnBoy only got two words out before HE lied.
If I had a dollar for every Harley you losers have had repossessed I’d be a rich man.
@141.
When your third string back walks in a rushes for 100+ you know the stable is full.
I have strong feelings on the Tide but give respect where it is due.
you are right about GA, though. They were one play away from whipping ND.
BCS Championship usually equals SEC title game.
Actually, I am unsure why they even play it.
@140.
You still here?
Re-possession?
Step up in class man while you still can.
Bunch of tough war guys harassing an old woman newspaper writer from hick
town Alabama is comedy gold. Gold Jerry, gold.
John @123, 127, 129, 132: you are quite pathetic. Something rell me you are this Warren dolt or connected to him.
136 How much government assistance do you get a month
Hey John. I’m guessing you are somewhere bewteen 15 and 17 years old. Either that or you are a retardate and only sound young. Which is it?
146 just a guy who doesn’t go around whining about stuff that doesn’t matter. You have to admit that it’s funny that a bunch of warriors are harassing some people that were clueless to what they were doing. To top it off the bad asses can’t even go whip the guys ass. Bunch I’m Internet commandos on here if you ask me.
@145.
Just swipe that EBT…ITS FREE.
JohnBoy. We don’t track people down and whip their butts. That would be illegal, as many fun indulgences are. So, which butt are you sniffing, the reporter’s or Warren’s? Or do you go both ways on that?
@145 – Huh? I earn my living, boy. Care to compare resumes?
John, that’s a good point. Nobody asked you, you volunteered your comment.
What you don’t get is that a supposedly “professional” recorder failed to perform the most basic of literary functions, fact checking. So now, she and the paper have been informed of their error and are making no effort to correct their mistake. It’s unprofessional. No one is advocating kicking anyone’s ass but you. We just want them to unfuck themselves.