Mike Warren; the phony POW, phony vet; aided in deception by the media

| August 1, 2013

Mike Warren

I get so tired of this shit sometimes. This is the tale of Mike Warren written by Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, Alabama Messenger. And quite tale it is. Mike Warren claims that he was a Vietnam veteran and a POW. When Jaine was told by Captain John “Mike” McGrath, a real and fairly famous Vietnam POW that Warren wasn’t a POW, she mumbled something about the fact that she had known him for years. Not well enough, apparently. This is what she wrote about her friend;

Mike Warren knows that, had it not been for a skinny, redheaded boy from Tulsa, Okla., no American soldiers would have left that valley in Vietnam alive.

“Two of us made it out alive. I owe my life to Capt. Terry Gardner, no doubt about it,” Warren said. “If he had not disobeyed orders and come back for us, we would have been dead.”

Warren was a member of the U.S. Army’s 101st Cavalry Division during the Vietnam “war.” His squad was boxed in a valley in a hot landing zone.

“The helicopters had come in and gotten some of our squad out,” Warren said. “Many had been killed, but me and another soldier were still alive. The choppers had been ordered to stand down. There were just too many North Vietnamese. We didn’t stand a chance.”

Warren said Capt. Terry Gardner heard the radio communication to “stand down” but he disobeyed the direct order and came in.

“He got us out – saved our lives – and we didn’t know until later that he got hit twice coming in for us, once in the left side and again in the leg.”

Y’all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha? No, me neither. In another article written by his minion Treadwell, he tells the same story and says that it happened in 1963;

Warren, a member of the Army’s 101st Cavalry, had his kneecap blown off in the fierce fighting in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1963. He lay on the battlefield gripped with pain and knowing that he would not be going home.

Aside from the fact that there is no 101st Cavalry Division, the 101st AIRBORNE Division didn’t arrive in Vietnam until 1965, when it was still Airborne. It didn’t become an air assault division until 1968. The 1st Cavalry Division arrived in Vietnam in 1965, too, in case Warren forgot the name of the division he was stationed with over there, you know, like we all forget our unit designations. In fact, all maneuver elements weren’t committed to Vietnam until 1965 you know, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964.

Thirteen members of Warren’s squad were captured by the North Vietnamese and placed in bamboo cages at the river’s edge.

“The river water was not cold but it got cold,” he said. “The water was constantly moving and the longer you stayed in there, the colder it got. You couldn’t sit down in the cages. You had to stand there with the water rushing over you with just your head above the water. And there was almost no way that you sleep. Sometimes, we would try to reach across the cages and hold each other up so we could get a little sleep and sometimes just to keep a man’s head out of the water so he wouldn’t drown.”

When a soldier was taken from his cage, it was to be interrogated and tortured.

One torture technique was taken from the Russians. It was called “stooling.”

“The enemy would put you on a three-legged stool and tie your arms behind your back braced with a bamboo stick and your legs tied together, too,” Warren said. “Three North Vietnamese would question you and, no matter what your answer was, one of them would kick the stool out from under you and you would hit the floor on your shoulder or your face or your back. They would pick you up, ask you another question and kick the stool out from under you. They would do that over and over until you gave them what they thought they wanted or until you passed out.”

Warren said, from time to time, one of the soldiers would be taken from the cages to be killed.

“Sometimes they would give one soldier a gun and force him to shoot another,” he said. “Death was always five minutes away.”

Warren and the other members of his squad were “caged” in captivity for about 17 days. One fateful day, the camp was empty except for one guard who fell asleep and Warren and another soldier overpowered him and escaped.

Two came out.

Warren returned to his unit and was often the one sent to scout an area and report back what he was seeing. He would be on his own for days. When he could sleep, he often slept in trees.

“I got to a point where I could go six days and six nights without sleep,” he said. “But on the seventh day, I would begin to hallucinate and see all kinds of boogie men.”

Warren was on another “map starved” mission when his squad got lost and was captured by the North Vietnamese.

“There were a half dozen of us and they would have killed us if they’d had time,” he said. “But another unit was also lost and stumbled upon us and overpowered the Vietnamese. Together, we made our way back to our units.”

Warren remembers vividly when his unit engaged the enemy and one of the American soldiers, who was welding a 50-caliber machine gun, stepped on a “Bouncing Betty.”

“We were going across a rice paddy and began taking fire from along a tree line and one of our men stepped on a Bouncing Betty, a mine that wouldn’t go off until you took your foot off,” he said. “The soldier was standing there with that big heavy gun and taking fire, knowing if he moved he would be blown to bits.”

When the firing died down, the American soldiers wedged their bayonets under the soldier’s foot and he was able to “dismount” the mine.

“When he woke up the next morning, every hair on his body had fallen out,” Warren said. “He was a black man and his skin had turned almost white, all from the tremendous rush of adrenalin. I’d never seen anything like that. None of us had. But that’s what fear can do to a man.”

Warren returned home from his first tour of duty and was enjoying the comforts of being home until Uncle Sam “invited” him back to Vietnam. He didn’t have to sign up for a second tour of duty in Vietnam but his country needed him and he knew the consequences of not going back.

Yeah, according to the Department of Defense, the only Warrens who were POWs in Vietnam were Air Force personnel, two were Captains (one classified Remains Returned and the other is presumed dead) and the only E-5 was Remains Returned.

Yeah, so here’s the kicker, after two attempts to find his records, NPRC still couldn’t find any.

Mike Warren FOIA

Maybe that’s what he meant, it wasn’t him that was held in a tiger cage, it was his military records jacket. I’ve sent a link to Jaine Treadwell, but she might need to be motivated given her previous reticence to properly inform her readers and her editor, Robbyn Brooks. You can email Jaime at jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com and Robbyn at robbyn.brooks@troymessenger.com .

Thanks to Pat all of his hard work on the background for this story.

Category: Media, Phony soldiers

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Hondo

1AirCav69: I think I saw a guy who could do that in a movie. I believe his name was “Mongo”. Or maybe “Hulk”. (smile)

Combat Historian

If this dipshit “Killer” Warren had done any research at all, and just slightly changed his fantasy tale to him being a MACV advisor to an ARVN battalion in 1963, with him observing the sacrifices and heroism of the South Viets he was advising, this would have sounded plausible enough that few would have questioned him. But NO, these idiots have to conjure up shit about stepping on bouncing bettys and humping .50 cals and being POWs and being tortured with bamboo stools and all, that NOBODY with any mil experience at all would believe this BS. This is just plain pathetic…

NHSparky

@40–I ain’t no boomer fag!

And FWIW, Crimson Tide is probably the biggest steaming pile of celluloid about submarines ever made.

This guy probably reenacts Sgt. Elias’ death scene from Platoon for shit and giggles, which also pisses me off to no end.

Ex-PH2

I think I figured it out: Warren has spent a lot of time on the couch watching “Apocalypse Now”, followed by “Deerhunter”, followed by consumption of mass quantities of pizza with anchovies, which would account for the fishy story, and last but not least, the epic movie “Platoon” followed by the 3 “Sniper” movies and ‘Born on the 4th of July’. Because he’s watched so many movies, he is now an expert in junglebunny warfare methods and can relate all the info you need to survive in those potholes.

The question is: did he actually serve in da Nam, or did he dodge the draft?

Joe Williams

I am 66 and I in Nam in June of 1966.He would have to be 68 or older.His story is not even a good fantasy. Too mad and disgusted to go on picking his story apart.

SJ

#49: Hondo. Interesting. I was in the 101st and OPCON to the 101st while in the 3/82nd in VN in 1968 and never heard that. As the BDE SigO I would have thought I would of. Not doubting you and you have your cites. Just find it interesting. Thanks.

JustTheFactsMa'Am

The irony is that the Reporter took the word of a Phony instead of the word of a Bona Fide Vietnam POW.

Combat Historian

#49 and #57: I think both 1st Cav Division and 101st Abn Division were officially redesignated as the “1st Air Cavalry Division” and “101st Air Cavalry Division” in 1968, the name changes went over like a lead balloon in both divisions, and division personnel and Big Army continued to refer to both divisions as the 1st Cavalry Division and 101st Airborne Division. Given the unpopular and widely-ignored name changes, Big Army gave in and redesignated both divisions as the 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile) and 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile) in August 1969.

NHSparky

@58–you noticed that too, huh? I bet I could call up this newsie and convince her the word “gullible” isn’t in the dictionary.

LebbenB

@59. As a kid, I seem to remember a Monogram model kit of a Hawg gunship that had a tail boom decal that read “101st Air Cavalry Division.” Not that that’s proof positive or anything, just saying the unit designation was out there for public consumption.

This POSer is still so full of Shiite that it’s pathetic.

Twist

I should tell this “reporter” about when I was a cherry in Vietnam. My Squad Leader took me under his wing, but my Platoon Sergeant was a real asshole. One day while on patrol my Squad Leader was flanking the enemy. We were getting ready to get on the Hueys and he hadn’t shown up yet and my Platoon Sergeant went to go get him. My Platoon Sergeant came back and said my Squad Leader was already dead. When we took off I saw my SL running out of the woodline being pursued by the enemy. It was at that time that I knew that my PSG had tried to kill him.

Combat Historian

Hey, y’all, did I forget to tell you all that before I changed my specilty to combat historian, I served in Vietnam in a “special project” in 1968, and was tasked by MACV and IFFV to terminate “with extreme prejudice” a rogue O-6 who had gone “native” and was hiding out on the Combode border in the Central Highlands with a tribe of Rhade he trained and led. I needed assistance from an Air Cav squadron to open up the mouth of the river for me, and then hopped a ride aboard a “Brown Navy” PBR that took me up river into the heart of the darkness to carry out my prejudice mission. From there the mission just went downhill, although I did encounter some Playboy bunnies at a FSB along the way that cheered us a up bit during our journey before we encountered our own evil and demons and…

Wrench Monkey

Don’t you people realize that you are disrespecting THE guy? This is HIM…..you know….THAT guy…..THE GUY!!!!! He didn’t base his stories on Hollywood…….Hollywood based its stories on….him. Shityanot. That’s him. Remove your hat when your hear the name Mike Warren. Or he’ll remove it for ya!

2/17 Air Cav

Helicopters and choppers? That’s enough BS right there. Birds and Hueys, with the latter subdesignated by function. But I guess he’s referring to the 17th Airborne Division (Airmobile) of the 101st Cavalry Squadron. I hear things were different in that unit.

Pineywoods NCO

Green Thumb

This is a two-for or even three-for one special on turds.

“Buy your dumbasses here…buy one, get one free.”

Yes, the reporter is a dumbass too.

Odie

he prolly carried a Colt Anaconda 44mag as his primary, I’m mean after all, he’s in a unit where Ma Duece is an individual weapon, and the regular law of land warfare doesn’t apply to these super troopers.

I’m sure everyone caught the obvious Vietnam War movie references (deer hunter, etc) but did you catch the obscure Tropic Thunder reference? Black man turning white, anyone? oh, wait that was the other way around. my bad, yo.

MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)

Cut the gut some slack. I sometimes forget the ships I was stationed on. Let’s see …

USS Minnow … Loved the 3 hour cruises.

USS Good Ship Lolly Pop … That ship was fabulous.

USS Titanic … Decommissioned.

CWO5USMC

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Momma always said poser stories are like a box of chocolates, you never know what bullshit you’re gonna get.”

Odie

sooo… @68, MCPO, when you say the Good Ship Lolly Pop was fabulous, do you actually mean FABULOUS!!! (with spirit fingers waving.. this is a legitimate question, after all, you were in the Navy…

2/17 Air Cav

@68. The good ship Loolipop was actually an airliner!

2/17 Air Cav

Arrrghhh. Lollipop.

Green Thumb

@68.

And I thought we all lived in the yellow submarine…

USMCE8Ret

@54 – Yeah, I knew you weren’t a “boomer fag”. Just piling on. If I offended you, I apologize.

Agreed. Crimson Tide was inaccurate as hell – just like this dude’s story.

Laughing Wolf

101st Cav. Weren’t they screened by the 69th Cav Scouts?

Green Thumb

I will say this.

I am very familiar with Troy.

This clown keeps rocking this lie, then he may have to move to Merritt Island.

This shit will not fly in LA.

AW1Ed

@35 “Hamburger Hunter” LOL!
I will gladly pay you Tuesday….

TheCloser

Mike Warren is just one of thousands of mentally ill people in this country living in a fantasy world.

Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, Alabama Messenger, on the other hand, passes this crap off as fact to the public. In this case, it could be copyright infringement. I think that Michael Cimino, Deric Washburn, and Louis Garfinkle, writers of ‘The Deer Hunter,’ are owed some money, or at least an apology.

This is at least the third person who thinks that they are the only one who saw that movie and claim it as their own.

Bobo

E-mail to Ms. Treadwell sent from my .mil e-mail account. We’ll see if I get anything back.

MK75Gunner

For fucks sake, you mean to tell me this woman NEVER saw the Deer Hunter? Not even once? On accident even? Or is it the fact that people like her, and so many other idiots in this country that watched that claptrap, have taken it to be a realistic portrayal of the Vietnam War and therefore this whole story sounds totally legit. I emailed her and suggested she go on netflix and rent a copy of the movie and see if anything on there jumps out at her….standing by.

Ex-PH2

The only ‘real’ thing in ‘Deerhunter’ was some combat footage someone shot of pigs eating a human corpse that had been burned by napalm. I don’t know where the producers got that footage, but the rest of it was hooey.

2/17 Air Cav

Well, my story should be published, then. In 1968, I was a civilian journalist who was strongly opposed to the war. I didn’t volunteer for the assignment but work is work. Besides, I recall thinking, we don’t belong in Vietnam and this is my way to prove it to the American public. It wasn’t any old unit I embedded with but the Green Berets. Just a bunch of uniformed ruffians, I thought, although one fellow befriended a little orphan boy and another looked after a puppy. Funny thing is, none of the men of the unit was under 40 and the unit’s leader, Colonel Mike, must have been around 60. His ARVN counterpart, Colonel Cai, was at least 50. But, brother, they both taught me a thing or two! Anyhow, if there is a reporter out there who is interested in my story, you can reach me right here.

Ex-PH2

2/17AirCav, if you want it transcribed, Jonn has my contact info.

LebbenB

@84. That was his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson that followed the family tradition of military service.

Beretverde

@82- Was my Peterson brave?

Sparks

Tip for Warren. Before you start your stories of POW status and “Bouncing Betty Mines”, don’t watch “The Deer Hunter” and “The Boys In Company C” ten times. Bamboo cages from “The Deer Hunter” and Bouncing Bettys from “The Boys In Company C”. He needs to watch “Apocalypse Now” so he can add, Colonel hunter to his resume of bullshit.

O-4E
2/17 Air Cav

@83. Thanks!

@84. No, not that I recall. Col Cai, however, got out safely and joined (despite his age) the NYPD. It’s odd but I remember his boss, a captain named Barney Miller. Col Mike got home too. Tough SOB he was. I forgot to mention that his men called him Duke. Man, I hope somebody wants this story!

Beretverde

@89 FYI- Col. Mike left Vietnam (Panama City) and became an oil well fire-fighter.

grunt66

I guess you can make this stuff up…………..

Combat Historian

#91: I…KILL…ALL…STINKIN’ CONG!!!

Ex-PH2

Eeek!!! Durnit! Scared the crackers outta me with that photo.

Thought I was back on the Sulaco, moving cargo packs with a powerloader.

streetsweeper

No shit! There I was sitting on the deck of the Huey, both feet dangling down over the landing skid, radio traffic from C&C helo circling overhead warning about a man running through the jungle towards our LZ in the tall elephant grass. Gotta admit bro, I thought fo’ sho we was landing in some seriously tall weed ya know? That marijuana coulda made my wallet fat as shit too at the base camps we flew in and out of.

Oh….Wait, where was I?

Oh yea, its that recurring PTSD thing about tall grass. Does it to me every time I think about it, can ya dig it? Anyway, this dude was running towards our bird like somebody lit his ass on fire with a cat tail n stuck it up in there. Next thing I know, holy batshit! There he is standing right in front of me, ol Mike Warren hisself, world renowned, lieing like a curr dawg Mista POW & phony veteran of a lifetime.

Andy

@91….Oh my!

streetsweeper

sat cong! sat cong!

Ex-PH2

WA-A-A-A-IT a minute!!!

Isn’t the guy in that photo Soon Tek-Oh, a Korean actor?

Yeah, I thought so. His boonie hat and his shirt don’t match.

2/17 Air Cav

@91. Ah Sooo. I was thinking only of Jack Soo. Sunuvagun. I certainly remember now. He was the first DADT guy to come out, wasn’t he?

Beretverde

@91- Ahh a picture of Captain Me So Horny…took a boat out of Vietnam in 1975 and ended up in Korea. Changed his name to “We To Low” and became a pilot for Asiana Airlines.

Ex-POW Mike Warren knows all about him…just ask him.

LebbenB

@100. I thought his name was Sum Ting Wong