Mike Warren; the phony POW, phony vet; aided in deception by the media
I get so tired of this shit sometimes. This is the tale of Mike Warren written by Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, Alabama Messenger. And quite tale it is. Mike Warren claims that he was a Vietnam veteran and a POW. When Jaine was told by Captain John “Mike” McGrath, a real and fairly famous Vietnam POW that Warren wasn’t a POW, she mumbled something about the fact that she had known him for years. Not well enough, apparently. This is what she wrote about her friend;
Mike Warren knows that, had it not been for a skinny, redheaded boy from Tulsa, Okla., no American soldiers would have left that valley in Vietnam alive.
“Two of us made it out alive. I owe my life to Capt. Terry Gardner, no doubt about it,” Warren said. “If he had not disobeyed orders and come back for us, we would have been dead.”
Warren was a member of the U.S. Army’s 101st Cavalry Division during the Vietnam “war.” His squad was boxed in a valley in a hot landing zone.
“The helicopters had come in and gotten some of our squad out,” Warren said. “Many had been killed, but me and another soldier were still alive. The choppers had been ordered to stand down. There were just too many North Vietnamese. We didn’t stand a chance.”
Warren said Capt. Terry Gardner heard the radio communication to “stand down” but he disobeyed the direct order and came in.
“He got us out – saved our lives – and we didn’t know until later that he got hit twice coming in for us, once in the left side and again in the leg.”
Y’all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha? No, me neither. In another article written by his minion Treadwell, he tells the same story and says that it happened in 1963;
Warren, a member of the Army’s 101st Cavalry, had his kneecap blown off in the fierce fighting in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1963. He lay on the battlefield gripped with pain and knowing that he would not be going home.
Aside from the fact that there is no 101st Cavalry Division, the 101st AIRBORNE Division didn’t arrive in Vietnam until 1965, when it was still Airborne. It didn’t become an air assault division until 1968. The 1st Cavalry Division arrived in Vietnam in 1965, too, in case Warren forgot the name of the division he was stationed with over there, you know, like we all forget our unit designations. In fact, all maneuver elements weren’t committed to Vietnam until 1965 you know, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964.
Thirteen members of Warren’s squad were captured by the North Vietnamese and placed in bamboo cages at the river’s edge.
“The river water was not cold but it got cold,” he said. “The water was constantly moving and the longer you stayed in there, the colder it got. You couldn’t sit down in the cages. You had to stand there with the water rushing over you with just your head above the water. And there was almost no way that you sleep. Sometimes, we would try to reach across the cages and hold each other up so we could get a little sleep and sometimes just to keep a man’s head out of the water so he wouldn’t drown.”
When a soldier was taken from his cage, it was to be interrogated and tortured.
One torture technique was taken from the Russians. It was called “stooling.”
“The enemy would put you on a three-legged stool and tie your arms behind your back braced with a bamboo stick and your legs tied together, too,” Warren said. “Three North Vietnamese would question you and, no matter what your answer was, one of them would kick the stool out from under you and you would hit the floor on your shoulder or your face or your back. They would pick you up, ask you another question and kick the stool out from under you. They would do that over and over until you gave them what they thought they wanted or until you passed out.”
Warren said, from time to time, one of the soldiers would be taken from the cages to be killed.
“Sometimes they would give one soldier a gun and force him to shoot another,” he said. “Death was always five minutes away.”
Warren and the other members of his squad were “caged” in captivity for about 17 days. One fateful day, the camp was empty except for one guard who fell asleep and Warren and another soldier overpowered him and escaped.
Two came out.
Warren returned to his unit and was often the one sent to scout an area and report back what he was seeing. He would be on his own for days. When he could sleep, he often slept in trees.
“I got to a point where I could go six days and six nights without sleep,” he said. “But on the seventh day, I would begin to hallucinate and see all kinds of boogie men.”
Warren was on another “map starved” mission when his squad got lost and was captured by the North Vietnamese.
“There were a half dozen of us and they would have killed us if they’d had time,” he said. “But another unit was also lost and stumbled upon us and overpowered the Vietnamese. Together, we made our way back to our units.”
Warren remembers vividly when his unit engaged the enemy and one of the American soldiers, who was welding a 50-caliber machine gun, stepped on a “Bouncing Betty.”
“We were going across a rice paddy and began taking fire from along a tree line and one of our men stepped on a Bouncing Betty, a mine that wouldn’t go off until you took your foot off,” he said. “The soldier was standing there with that big heavy gun and taking fire, knowing if he moved he would be blown to bits.”
When the firing died down, the American soldiers wedged their bayonets under the soldier’s foot and he was able to “dismount” the mine.
“When he woke up the next morning, every hair on his body had fallen out,” Warren said. “He was a black man and his skin had turned almost white, all from the tremendous rush of adrenalin. I’d never seen anything like that. None of us had. But that’s what fear can do to a man.”
Warren returned home from his first tour of duty and was enjoying the comforts of being home until Uncle Sam “invited” him back to Vietnam. He didn’t have to sign up for a second tour of duty in Vietnam but his country needed him and he knew the consequences of not going back.
Yeah, according to the Department of Defense, the only Warrens who were POWs in Vietnam were Air Force personnel, two were Captains (one classified Remains Returned and the other is presumed dead) and the only E-5 was Remains Returned.
Yeah, so here’s the kicker, after two attempts to find his records, NPRC still couldn’t find any.
Maybe that’s what he meant, it wasn’t him that was held in a tiger cage, it was his military records jacket. I’ve sent a link to Jaine Treadwell, but she might need to be motivated given her previous reticence to properly inform her readers and her editor, Robbyn Brooks. You can email Jaime at jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com and Robbyn at robbyn.brooks@troymessenger.com .
Thanks to Pat all of his hard work on the background for this story.
Category: Media, Phony soldiers
Y’all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha?
Weren’t they the ones assigned to Fort Courage in case the Hekawi tribe caused problems?
Sounds like the same level of support as author Brad Thor’s tall tales about the faker John Giduck…
It’s like adding journalistic “jazz hands” to the story
Tiger Cages? Torture? Shooting other prisoners? A lucky escape?
Yeah, I saw “The Deer Hunter” too.
Too bad the moron who interviewed this cretin apparently didn’t.
After his escape as a POW he:
“(Simply) returned to his Unit ….Sent out to scout…. … Was on his own for days…”
I stopped reading there. Seriously who dreams up this bullshit?
I’m going to call this reporter and tell her my war stories about that time we went surfing on the beach during an attack while our helicopter loud speakers were blaring “Ride of the Valkyrie” in stereo.
I just noticed the story about the guy humping a .50 cal machine gun in the rice paddies. I guess the soldiers were tougher back then, you know, humping the 83 pound gun without the tripod and T&E.
But he left out the most heinous part…The part where he had to play Russian roulette for the camp commandant.
I’m no doctor, but wouldn’t having your kneecap blown off require a pretty damn long rehab process to even be able to walk again?
@7. He was a really big guy. They nick-named him “Tiny.”
This is juts the reporter to get ol’ Nikko’s story out
Sounds legit.
Heh, the trooper humping the .50 was probably nicknamed “Bulldozer”, and the platoon sergeant’s name was SGT Rock. Yeah, I read all this somewhere before…
I can understand feeding bovine excrement by the spoonful to a reporter, still wrong but doesn’t raise the proverbially large “BULLSHIT!” Flag. This guy changed history, I say we investigate, get JFK on the stand, this is his fault!
Ya, ya. All these guys believed the same B.S. movie. The ones with imagination all swam the Mekong from Hanoi to Saigon or walked to Paris.
That .50 will separate the men from the boys, eh?
There needs to be a concerted effort to ridicule and call out these reporters as much as there is to bust the phonies.
There is simply no way that the bullshit alarm doesn’t go off when they hear this shit.
If someone claimed to have played in the super bowl, won a gold medal or fought for a boxing championship they would research it.
These asshole reporters are just putting out shit stories knowing and hoping that readers will fall for it.
The 101st Calvary, I heard about that. It was across the street from the the 4077th MASH wasn’t it?
@7,
Naw, read it even closer. The guy was “welding” the M-2. So not only was he carrying that BFG into the rice paddy, but he also dragged along his oxy-acetylene rig. Imagine that.
Oh, she meant to write “wielding”? Never mind.
Someone played too much CoD Black Ops I think.
Oh, for pity’s sake. Is there any integrity left among “journalists” these days? (Well, we have had a couple report in here, but they seem to be very glaring exceptions to the rule.)
And I want one of those 101st Cav patches!
Well i sent her a message. I only live 17 miles from Troy. Here is what i wrote. Doubt she will reply. Next step editor at troy messenger.
I live in Jack. Just down the road and am a member of Stolen Valor’s Page as well as This Ain’t Hell Page. Exposing Fakes and Frauds claiming heroics and tales when majority of them have never had the guts to even join the service. As you can see from this link http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=36908
down near the bottom of the page the reply for this freedom of information act. Never served in anything mush less the tale spun by your article.
It is very irresponsible to publish anything like this without double checking the facts. I myself fought in Vietnam so yes i have the right to be upset from it. To many men and women that had the courage to serve our country have DIED wearing a uniform and their tales will never be known. And for a wanna be hero to steal the valor of those that served is about as low as one can go in a cesspool.
Please review the page and double check yourself if you don’t believe it. They go through great lengths to make sure a phony is a phony before exposing them. To allow this phony is a slap in the face to those that do and did serve.
Thank You
Pretty sure I found the guy’s full first name and MI, DOB, current address, and phone number. And no, I’m not going to post that here – sorry. I don’t want to be responsible for someone giving a lying jerkwad in his late 60s a well-deserved ass kicking.
Warren, I personally know people who actually did serve in Vietnam and/or elsewhere in SEA. They (and I) have a message for you: think of the Boy Scout Sign,
Now: read between the lines, asshole.
What a freaking idiot. And I’m not talking about the POSer Warren, either. The reporter is either too gullible to walk around without supervision or is an utter moron.
I need to MOPP up.
Its raining turds.
I saw that reporter’s picture, and she doesn’t look like she’s firing on all four cylinders! Humping a M2 through the rice paddies? DUDE!! How many rounds could he carry on him? The next poser we get will probably be telling us about how he swam across the Pacific Ocean alongside Chuck Norris to go raid the “Hanoi Hilton” and liberate its prisoners, then go curbstomp Ho Chi Minh just for shits and giggles!!
@22.
Bet he could take that 3x in the two hole without a frown.
Turd.
I e-mailed the editor and the publisher. If I get a reply, I’ll post it here.
I doubt that I’ll hear anything.
@24. Proud Infidel, maybe the “reporter” is Warren’s mother in law?
“The next poser we get will probably be telling us about how he swam across the Pacific Ocean alongside Chuck Norris to go raid the “Hanoi Hilton” and liberate its prisoners, then go curbstomp Ho Chi Minh just for shits and giggles!!”
Just ask Senator McCain he will verify.
I could tell her a story of how I swam out of a torpedo tube while the boat was at test depth and did a breath hold ascent to plant a diversionary explosion to draw off the Russians away from Vladivostok during the Cold War.
He must have sat through ‘Hamburger Hill’ and ‘Deerhunter’ too many times. It’s just a pity he didn’t name the valley he was in, or the hill number. Those are all easily checked.
Greetings Mike Warren! Welcome to Poserville. Population YOU.
Well you guys probably never heard of the 101st Cavalry because they were running black ops and so all the records were expunged upon redeployment to the states….
Isn’t that how all these damn stories end?
Hondo: if that photo with the article is anywhere near current, then he looks WAAAAAAY too young to have served during the Vietnam era. Without disclosing his DOB, how old is he?
Treadwell might want to consider a career change to cleaning out the 1st Cav stables. She obviously has experience with a shovel and moving large steaming piles.
@20 “And I want one of those 101st Cav patches!”
Is that the big yellow one with an eagle’s head or the small black one with a horse’s ass?
#29: Ex-PH2, maybe Jaine Treadwell will turn her articles about “Killer” Warren into a movie script. She should name it “Deerburger Hill”, although “The Hamburger Hunter” may work just as well…
@26, UpNorth, that wouldn’t surprise me one bit!!
Lemme tell y’all this, THERE I WAS, leading my section through the jungles of Paprika, ‘ol Chesty packing the 82mm Sniper Mortar, & “Bull” packin’ the M2 .50 cal Machine gun, there warn’t nobody that could hold up against us! Just one week before that, we were told to stand down, Chuck Norris didn’t need us to swim across the Pacific Ocean with him to go assault Hanoi, he had that critter to help him out!!
Weeeelll, I COULD tell y’all about WHY we were there in that Paprikan Jungle, but it’s classified………
@35, Combat Historian, or how about ‘Full Pickle Jacket’ or ‘Caged and Uncaged’?
I’m still surprised that no one claiming to be an in-country POW-scout-sniper-etc. has come up with the “Tour of Duty” scene where one VC pees on another one who is supposed to be guarding Zeke and the Elltee.
There were several reports about VC atrocities in TIME magazine that I remember clearly, and yet none of these clowns can come up with anything better than a scene from ‘Deerhunter’.
Warren’s description of a Bouncing Betty is completely wrong. It was described as a mortar round that hit, bounced and exploded like a big, orange beach ball as it rose after the bounce. And no kneecap? How the hell does he walk? I’ve smashed both of my knees in falls when I was skating. It hurts like hell and I’m lucky that I didn’t break a kneecap, but just got smashed nerves instead. The kneecap, or patella, is what stabilizes the knee joint and keeps your knees from subflexing. I knew someone who did subflex his left leg playing tennis and was in a cast up to his hip for six months. That is all a dead giveaway that Warren is full of even more BS than Giduck.
@37. Re: subflexing. I knew a guy who did that chasing a burglar down an alley, 3 surgeries and 13 months later, he was back on duty.
“Bouncing Betty” is GI slang for a Bounding Antipersonnel Mine. I was trained on the US Version in my AIT back in 91, this variety of AP mine is triggered either via pressure prongs or tripwire, and once tripped, it basically chucks a grenade about waist height which then detonates.
I’ll vouch for NHSparky’s torpedo tube mission. It was while we were stationed on the USS Alabama chasing a Russian sub. At the moment the Ruskie made a “crazy Ivan”, the skipper of the boat released Sparky to finish his mission.
Then, the next thing he did was swim back with 2 dolphins towing him back to the sub, where we recovered him and made our escape. The dolphin’s names were “Fa” and “Bea”. They were taught to help Sparky plant limpet mines.
Oh, I almost forgot. Morgan Fairchild is my wife. I’ve seen her naked.
This guy is as full of shit as a Christmas turkey.
And nuttier than a truckload of squirrel shit!
There needs to be a primer specifically addressing the issue of military phonies and how to spot them, distributed to journalists. It could be in the form of an essay, or a video on Youtube. I thought Don Shipley would be the perfect guy to create a video like that. This is such a huge problem today and anyone working for a newspaper, a magazine, an online publication, or a radio or television program, NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT. Seriously. It’s one thing for these dickholes to be doing their phony posing on Facebook and online dating sites; it’s another thing entirely for members of the media, even local media, to be falling for it and giving the appearance of legitimacy to their claims by broadcasting it to audiences. Something needs to be done NOW to get it through the thick skulls of gullible journalists that they need to check their military hero stories and not just swallow everything told to them.
Perhaps you guys meant patellar subluxation? Never heard of subflexation.
That’s how it was described to me, but that was 1974.
Marine_7002: assuming I’ve got the right guy (and I’m pretty sure I do), the guy is in his late 60s now. That individual’s DOB is consistent with him being old enough to serve in 1963. He at least made that much of his story plausible, even if the rest of his story has more holes than Swiss cheese.
My guess is that the guy provided an old family photo from the 1960s or 1970s to the reporter for the article. Color looks bit off for it to be a recent photo taken with a digital camera.
If this is in fact a recent photo (which I very seriously doubt), the guy is a complete idiot. There’s no way in hell the guy in that photo identified as “Mike Warren” was in his late 60s when it was taken – I’d guess the guy in that photo was no older than 30 when it was taken. He’d have to be to be in his late 60s or older today to have served in the military in 1963.
“Those ‘90 day wonders,’ the second lieutenants that were just coming out of college, were being sent over there to lead squads,” Warren said. “They were college boys with no field experience. Those of us who had the experience were needed. Not going meant the difference between six soldiers being kill and 60 being killed. There was no way that I couldn’t go.”
He deserves an ass whipping. The above statement pisses me off to no end.
I was in the 101st.; That’s 101st AIRBORNE, (Jump Status), Division in 1963, even in the 101st Aviation Battalion, (PROV), even in “Air Mobility Co.”, (The HUEY company of the battalion), at Ft. Campbell,KY; and we didn’t get any calls to do a day trip over to Vietnam and rescue any Ma Duece carrying grunts from any valley that year.
I took High School Journalism, and one of the first tenets of Journalism was to fact check the stories. But, back then the teacher also impressed upon us the value that a journalist has in having a name for being accurate and factual.
Apparently the Troy fishwrapper has no concerns about their reporters offering a good name to the paper.
I too wrote the reporter and Cc’d her editor. Awaiting a response, but not holding my breath.
For what it’s worth: there actually is a 101st Cavalry Regiment. It’s a unit of the NYARNG that’s assigned to the 42nd ID. It’s HQ is on Staten Island today.
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/ArmyDUISSICOA/ArmyHeraldryUnit.aspx?u=7870
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Cavalry_Regiment_%28United_States%29
Pretty sure that 101st Cav never deployed to Vietnam.
However, for a brief time the 101st Airborne Div did call itself the “101st Air Cavalry Division” – by multiple accounts, from July 1968 to Aug 1969 (some accounts I’ve seen give the dates of that formal name for the 101st as 1 July 1968 to 29 Aug 1969). It then became 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile). But that’s 5 years or more after this tool claims to have been there in 1963.
http://www.militaryvetshop.com/History/101stAirborne.html
http://www.dtroop.com/history3.html
He’s still FOS, but that part of his story has a small grain of truth in it. Except he got the year wrong by a few years. (smile)
Thank you God….he wasn’t 1st Cav.
Never thought about humping a M-2 in the bush. Wow, talk about “Black Power”.