Breanna Manning verdict
According to CNN, Manning was found not guilty of aiding the enemy (even though the prosecution proved it to me) but he was found guilty of most of the other charges;
A military court has found Pfc. Bradley Manning, accused of the largest leak of classified information in U.S. history, not guilty of aiding the enemy — a charge that would have carried a maximum sentence of life in prison. He was found guilty of most of the remaining charges against him, with the judge accepting some of the guilty pleas he made previously to lesser charges.
But I want to hear a number.
509th Bob sends a link to Politico which reports;
If convicted on all charges apart from aiding the enemy, Manning faced a potential sentence of up to 154 years.
I guess, at this point, that’s too much to ask for.
Category: Shitbags
WTF! I have no faith in any of our systems anymore
Sentencing according to Fox is tomorrow at 9:30
15 out of the 21 charges is what I’m hearing right now.
How sweet. I’m sure all the people who died at the hands of the enemy because of what this fecal mass did will be glad to know that he didn’t aid the enemy.
Any form of justice to do with our government is dead and rotting anymore.
19 of 22, JoAnn.
Jonn, damn autocorrect.
@5, I like your number better.
I’ll wait for the official announcement.
CNN sucks balls at reporting the news.
The more I read of stolen valor and classified leaks and virtually all acts of dirt-baggery going relatively unpunished or wrist slapped, the more I feel like a chump for actually serving and doing my job to the best of my ability. Turns out I could have skipped the deployments and the training while pinning the same or cooler medals on. I could have hit it big on the Internet by running my mouth about shit I promised to keep to myself. In a world with light to non-existent consequences I’ve been trying waayyyy too hard.
I feel confident that he’ll be locked away for a good long time. Maybe not life without parole like he deserves, but at least long enough that he’ll have lost his girlish figure by the time he gets out.
Unfortunately, the three he’ll walk on are the ones which would have guaranteed him never breathing free air again.
As it is, he shouldn’t but I have no faith in the judicial system at any level anymore.
Such is life. I really hope Karma has something in special for Manning though. Not sure if he deserves and Alkali Bath, but I hope it is something special. And funny. I need some humor after all the people getting off for doing dumb stuff like cheating on wives and using military funds to move their weekly girls around.
I wonder if, as some have predicted, when Obama enters his Lame Duck phase after Hillary wins in 2016, he’ll throw Brianna a pardon?
Well, call me old fashioned but he should be shot; not sentenced to life in prison. One hopes he at least ends up making little rocks out of big rocks for the rest of his wretched life.
@ 13, Gee Andy, that would sure put the cherry on the cupcake. A perfect ending to the worst administration in the history of the Republic. I would sentence him to 150 years with all sentences to run consecutively.
Call me old fashioned, but I think he should receive 100 lashed while tied to the main, keel hauled bow to stern, and thrown into a water filled hold until dead.
My bro in laws libtard sister is celebrating on facebook right now about this. Called him a hero and started yelling about executing every member of the Bush admin and military members. Then again, she’s a libtard and “tolerant” of others.
Bet he gets 30 years.
good….good
It’s happening like I predicted.
There’s this:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/30/19776548-manning-acquitted-of-aiding-enemy-but-convicted-on-other-charges?lite
and this:
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/bradley-manning-guilty-of-espionage-other-charges
Oh, yeah, you are legally able now to buy a big drink size soda in NYC. Bloomberbutt’s ban has been overturned.
http://news.msn.com/us/court-upholds-ruling-striking-down-nycs-large-soda-ban
It’s just a shame there’s no ship that needs to be turned into a reef right now. Manning would have a safe place to stay.
Breanna has already banked a 20-year sentence c/o earlier plea bargaining and has now been found guilty of 19 out of 20 charges. The word we are looking to hear tomorrow is “consecutive” with respect to the sentences doled out. If we hear the word “concurrent” it’s going to be ugly around here.
19 out of 22. Including 5 espionage convictions.
The Special Little Snowflake is going to be a dry stain on the hot concrete very soon.
If he goes to Leavenworth I hope there some guys there who will stake care of business since the rule of law no longer applies.
WTF…You “share” with a TS clearance and they don’t get you on all counts? I’m sorry, but isn’t a bit like this buddy fucker being a little pregnant? HMFS, batman. I. need. a. drink. This is not justice.
Now he can have his shoelace’s back snick snick
Defend, I have several bottles of wine that need opening. And serious cheese and crackers. And I can go get some sausage for that.
I am really annoyed when I start discussing sausage, cheese and crackers in the same sentence.
I only ask one thing of his sentence… he be in GenPop. Think that will work.
It’s pretty sickening to read a lot of the comments left on some of the news sites out there. People calling him a “hero”. I can’t believe that giving classified to a third party KNOWING it would fall into the hands of the enemy is not aiding said enemy. What if I took someone’s PII and CC information and uploaded them to a third party, I guess that would be okay? I mean I’d of course throw in some information amongst it all like a speeding ticket so I could prove just how much of a whistle blower I was.
@27, that won’t happen for awhile. I read an article on Leavenworth a few years ago that said everyone that arrives there without regard for crime starts out on the top floor in solitary. you work your way down and then eventually outward as your sentence winds down.
I should throw in the disclaimer that, I would of course never do that. I just don’t see how one bad incident could justify leaking 700,000 classified documents.
Another article about this perp: http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/bradley-manning-guilty-of-espionage-other-charges
He’s facing 136 years, which is basically life. In view of how many people’s lives he compromised and how much damage he did with no regard to the consequence, one can only hope that the judge says ‘consecutive, no parole’ instead of ‘concurrent’.
Ok, ex what does concurrent mean?
@32 All at the same time, meaning if you have a bunch of 8-10 years sentences served concurrently you are eligible for parole at that 8 year mark….whereas consecutive means if you have 6 sentences of 8-10 years you might be in for about 48 years of your 60 years serving one after the other….
Thank VOV
A part of me really, REALLY wants to be happy for this because the appeals process will be soooo much shorter. (OK, I will admit to never actually knowing anyone who appealed a military sentence, so do not know how or even if there is such a thing on a life sentence, as there is in the civilian court system.) But, even with the greater risk of going for the tougher sentence, sometimes it is just the right thing to do.
Oh, sure. He will be on the short list for pardons. Maybe less so on these lesser charges? Yeah, yeah. Really trying to find some sort of a silver lining to this.
Well, hopefully, by the time Little Brianna works “her” way down to the GenPop floor, there will be any number of (former?) soldiers who will remember what this douche stain did, and will quietly take care of business.
If they’re unable to within the walls, we may have to wait until “he” get out – if he’s alive by then.
Personally, I’d rather “he” be shot or lethal injection. Better $5 for a “shot”, then $50,000/year of my scarce dollars in taxes for incarceration.
One of the interesting dogs not barking in the Manning trial is that the prosecution was always going to have a hard time proving– beyond doubt– the aiding and abetting issue even if it was true. Given the classified nature of the evidence that would have been needed, what might have happened behind the scenes is that the intelligence community decided that the trade-off needed to nail Manning with a life sentence wasn’t worth the further disclosure of what was involved in connecting the dots.
It would be very difficult for the MI folks to prove, for example, that the Taliban made changes in tactical doctrine following the Manning leaks without making further damaging disclosures you simply don’t want to do. And just about the last place you want such disclosures to wind up is in a courtroom with a bunch of lawyers bound by rules of discovery.
Some of this also gets back to the analogy of the horse thief. If a posse rides out and hangs some guy from a tree for stealing horses, it has basically accomplished two things; the first is the removal of somebody who isn’t going to be around any more to steal horses, and the second is that leaving a body twisting in the wind sends a real clear message to any other wannabe horse thieves out there that their potential career choice might have serious consequences.
Others might disagree, and it’s going to depend on the sentencing, but it seems to me the Manning verdict accomplishes both things that make for a logical end game. Manning is now out of the secret leaking business. He’s also now a real good reminder of what can happen if somebody decides they want to follow the same course.
There’s no “concurrent” or “consecutive” in a normal court-martial sentence, because there is no separate sentence for each charge. Instead, the judge just pronounces one sentence for everything all together, and that’s what he gets.
The government’s theory for “aiding the enemy” was a little strained, and that would’ve had a good chance of getting reversed on appeal. This way the verdict and sentence are more likely to stand as they are. However much that is. But first his sentencing case must take place.
@9 LZ :
I hear you, Brother. I have sometimes felt exactly the same.
Screw ’em.
As far as Obama giving that oxygen thief a lame duck pardon … he’s just arrogant enough to do it, and could lead to some serious unhappiness.
At the end of the day Due Process was followed. The kabuki of the lawyers, including the judge, and definitions of Justice aside, that which I believe in – Due Process – was followed.
Dave O, Manning got his fair trial, he got his due process, can we hang him now? Please, Please….
We all know little Brianna aided the enemy. But he did it second hand by going through wiki leaks. As I understand the law, and God knows I’m no lawyer, he had to provide info directly to the enemy to be convicted of aiding the enemy. I’m not defending him, I’d pull on the rope attached to his noose
#41 No. We are not Obama. We are not the Prognazis. We are Americans.
I’m thinking that this douchenozzle will spend most of time at Leavanworth in solitary/AdSeg. Word is the inmates there might be lowlife criminal scum, but traitors and kiddie diddlers are about on the same scale.
#44, a big proportion of the population at Leavenworth is child molesters…
I’ve had a few clients there, and from what I’ve heard, the discipline is very good – I mean, it’s not a likely place for prison rape or “extrajudicial punishment.”
@38. Alberich: Thank you for the correction. I really should stay away from the UCMJ–or read its provisions before chiming in. You are correct, of course. There can be no consecutive or concurrent sentences imposed as there is in civilian courts. Convictions on multiple counts, under the UCMJ, produce a single sentence. Thanks, again.
That really is good information to have. Funny – a detail that seems to have been carefully ignored by the media? (And they wonder why so many select other sources for their news!)
He faces 128 years, right?
Not long enough, IMO.
Can someone enlighten me? If he is in fact sentenced to the max, does he fall under federal sentencing guidelines which means he has to serve a significant (the number 85 percent sticks in my head for some reason) before eligible for parole?
Hey, I can live with that, provided Obumbles doesn’t toss a pardon this asshat’s way on his way out the door.
And don’t think he won’t do it. I put nothing past him anymore.
@49. Sparky: It is my understanding that the Federal sentencing guidelines do not apply to and are not used by a military court. Also, there is no Federal parole–but there are mechanisms by which early release is possible.