TDS is Not a Mental Illness
Minnesota State Senators introduced a bill to amend the definition of Mental Illness to include “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. The bill is SF2589, read March 17, 2025, and referred to Health and Human Services committee.
No surprise the authors of the bill all have an “R” after their name. It also comes as no surprise there are a few on the House side who happen to have an “R” after their name declaring they will take up the bill in the House, when it comes to them. Or, if it comes to the House. Knowing as close to nothing as possible about the makeup and inclinations of the Minnesota legislature, I can’t even hazard a guess on this bill’s chances of making it out of committee much less to the House.
The parts of the bill that jump out –
Minnesota Statutes 2024, section 245.462, subdivision 20, is amended to read:
Subd. 20.
Mental illness.
(a) “Mental illness” means Trump Derangement Syndrome or an organic disorder of the brain or a clinically significant disorder of thought, mood, perception, orientation, memory, or behavior that is detailed in a diagnostic codes list published by the commissioner, and that seriously limits a person’s capacity to function in primary aspects of daily living such as personal relations, living arrangements, work, and recreation.
And –
Subd. 28.
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
“Trump Derangement Syndrome” means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump’s behavior. This may be expressed by:
(1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Trump.
This link will take the curious to the text of the bill.
Regardless of what happens with this bill there is actual, serious justification for considering TDS as a Personality Disorder, but it not a Mental Illness. There is a difference between a Mental Illness and a Personality Disorder and by definition, TDS would more appropriately be categorized as one of the latter. In short, a Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of behavior, not considered to be organic in origin; a Mental Illness is a dysfunction in the brain, a structural, chemical or hormonal imbalance that impacts behavior, thought and function. In short, a Personality Disorder is acquired and a choice, a Mental Illness is biological.
Granted, TDS may manifest more readily in those with other, co-occurring Mental Illnesses hence the argument for a genetic component or predisposition for Personality Disorder. Regardless of the category under which TDS falls the real-world results, particularly for the rest of us, are the same. Many therapists struggle or even flat-out refuse to treat those with certain Personality Disorders because they cannot be “cured” without a strong willingness on the part of the patient to change, which seldom exists.
This is in contrast to a Mental Illness, a biological dis-ease. Individuals so afflicted can be very difficult to live with but talk and behavioral therapy and psychopharmaceuticals can help manage symptoms and manifestations negatively impacting their lives. These individuals generally experience significant improvement due to a strong willingness to change or modify their behavior, thoughts, and interactions with others; they understand, or come to, they are not at fault, it is not merely a matter of perspective or choice. It is no different than diabetes in that a part of their biology is not working as intended.
The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the infamous DSM-5, makes clear the distinction between Mental Illness and Personality Disorder but includes both as “mental disorders”, i.e., dysfunctions that negatively impact an individual’s life. And, because very few in modern society live completely separate from everyone else, others are also negatively impacted by one individual’s experience. So, understanding what can and cannot be helped, what is a matter of choice, and what is biologically driven matters.
Those said to be suffering from TDS negatively impact their own lives but more to the point cause significant distress in those with whom they come in contact. The blame for their distress is caused by others, Trump and MAGA-people, and they are not the problem. They take no responsibility for either their behavior or the negative consequences their behavior inflicts on others. That is the hallmark of a Personality Disorder, a choice of behaviors for which there is no personal accountability.
Calling Trump Derangement Syndrome a Mental Illness almost gives these noxious individuals a pass. We can joke “they can’t help themselves” but the simple truth is, they can. TDS is the literal definition of an environmentally acquired pattern of behavior that is pervasive and inflexible, causing distress or impairment in functioning.
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For the love of God just move to Scotland.
Are you speaking to me? If so, why Scotland? For that matter why Scotland regardless of who you mean. If there is an intent or specific relevance or reference to this one place to move to someone please clue me in ‘cause I don’t get it.
Unless explained, treat as a fart. Ignore, or scowl and move upwind.
If you must retort, you can score bonus points with us Infantry folk by utilizing in any retort to such oderous ejections:
” BACKBLAST AREA CLEAR!”
The smoking lamp is out along with any lit materials while in the BACKBLAST AREA. If lighting off with a zippo lighter, wear asbestos gloves. 2 of my friends used to sit in the clubhouse couch next door to our fire station and after hard boiled eggs and some beer, they lit off the BACKBLAST AREA with their lighters. Blue flame looked great running up their dungarees.
Bic lighter in a movie theater, or seven.
After several bottles of Scotch, that can happen…..
Some folks just never had their butts whupped as a young’un…or bitch slapped as adults. And it shows.
You can only help those that are willing to help themselves.
Since I’m neither a psychiatrist, psychologist, or any other kind of doctor, I guess it doesn’t matter what I call it.
So I’ll call TDS a mental disorder.
What bunch of LOSERS!
Mental illiness or personality disorder aside, is there a sexual
difference in the occurance of these claims?
For example I see a lot of reference to Karens but who is the
male equivalent?
Disclaimer: I am not a Biologist.
Kevin, is that you man?
The literary term “Mary Sue” applies whether the character is male or female (anyone trying to introduce a “Gary Sue” or some other masculine variant is missing the point).
The term “Karen” is an inherently feminine characterization – but men can be effeminate (note: still men, just not manly men). Men can be Karens; “Kevin” is unnecessary.
Plenty of legislation these days amounts to “privileged snark”. No one expects it to advance beyond “entered into record”.
When you refuse to do your actual job (like actually budgeting the government), you are left with only so many ways to justify your paycheck.
“Publish or perish “
Ignorance can be educated, illness medicated. Still can’t cure stupid.
But duct tape does wonders at muffling it!
Silence is golden, duct tape is silver.
True that. (I think I know that cat.)
No, but you can sedate it for awhile.
Some will scoff at this whilst others will laugh. I am neither a medical person or overly educated, but I do possess common sense and even I, the average Joe that I am, can see that TDS is real and it is rapidly becoming an illness. I’ll use sports as an example. Being a fan of both football and baseball, I’ll start there. Over the years there have been many players that I just did not like for one reason or another, but if they were good at their craft, I could always accept that and agree that they were talented and productive. I was no fan of Tom Brady’s always getting his way with calls that benefitted his team. But there is no denying that the man was a tough player and a great QB. I don’t know if I would like Donald Trump as a person, because I think he is arrogant and a bit pompous, but he is also tough as nails, backs down from no one, loves his country and cares about our wellbeing and safety. All required traits of a President in my opinion. You might not like the person, but you must be completely ignorant and stupid OR just suffer from TDS to not see this and give the man kudos and the respect he deserves. If a person does not want a tough person who loves his country and puts his country first, sitting in the White House then, well, see my pervious statement. I’ll see myself out.
Let’s hand out some Prozac!
I loathe Trump. I don’t screech, cry or flail about when people support him, but I don’t think he’s tough, loves his country, and cares about your well-being and safety. I imagine we’ll have to just agree to disagree on that.
I’ve also known Trump for far longer than his political career, albeit indirectly. I’ve known people who’ve done ‘business’ with him, and gotten screwed over. He’s literally infamous for that, but I guess I see it as being a low-life, and you see it as being a shrewd negotiator and getting a bigger deal. No judgement call there, we just see it differently. I give him credit when it’s deserved, and but tend to find those moments few and far between.
If that qualifies me as stupid, ignorant or suffering from TDS, well, I guess we’ll disagree on that too. I do tend to find that throwing around those labels is more of an emotional response, though, which isn’t terribly helpful when folks simply have different perspectives & priorities.
I wouldn’t say you have TDS. You appear to have reasonable, clear, cogent examples of why you don’t like him. Trump is not a man I would ever be friends with, I don’t always agree with his actions or methods, but I understand what he’s trying to accomplish and I like his results. I’ve never agreed with any human 100%, that would mean I’m not thinking for myself. I can’t think of a single rioter or violent “demonstrator” I’ve ever agreed with. You’re a man I could disagree with over a beer without a fight.
Loathe is another word for hate even stronger. If you had said disagree more than minuscule agree I could see your point. An 89% decrease in border crossings is a reason to appreciate the man. Yes it is him being tough and hiring tough people. Your definition of tough and a lot of Americans is different, so who is tough to you, I personally want to know. You throw about accusations and words but give no definitions.
When someone you know has TDS and they find out you support DJT. They go fucking nuts. It’s got to be some kind of dysfunction in the brain. I think something like OCD. You can get them help to overcome it in time. But you need some kind of medication to calm the anxiety down, maybe attend some US history classes to learn capitalism and some deprogramming from the indoctrination of social beliefs. That they learned in the public school system.
If that doesn’t work we can hang them by their feet and beat them with a bamboo cane till they see the light. Just like the North Vietnamese did in their re-education camps.
The sad thing is that it is apparently incurable. Although, a base metal injection might work.
A recently discovered side effect of TDS is that it causes the suffers to eat their own kind. heh heh
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-hosts-squabble-over-democrat-infighting-whether-schumer-pointlessly-caved-gop
I’m no fan of Chuckie, but he made the right decision on that and kept the government running. They’re coming for him now, though.
Had he not voted for this, and the govt shut down, not only would the dems own it,, but Trump would be allowed to make recess appointments.
Chuck was smart enough to realize that. All the others who voted against it are letting their hatred blind their better judgment.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth would have been of epic proportions.
Trump would also have -vast- discretion in a shutdown to decide “essential / non-essential”.
Schumer feared that more than his own loons. Bad call for his future job plans. But he did spare them that debacle, so the future leftroids will celebrate his sacrifice, etc.
My ‘favorite’ co-sponsor of the bill in question? Minnesota State Senator Justin Eichorn. Maybe instead of imaginary disorders, we should focus on assholes who solicit minors?
https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-senator-justin-eichorn-arrest
Another reason, LC, why…”They are ALL equally worthless to me.”
They all drink from the same trough.
Now balance it out with a worthless Dem. Your bias is showing. You try real hard to fit in here but maybe tampons in boys bathrooms agrees with you.
He is a Prog and can’t help himself.
When someone trolls the left, the proper response is outrage, yes?
Hook. Line. Sinker.
No. Not sufficient. The Leftfish is angrily chewing on the bobber, with the line and lure hanging out it’s ass.
It’s not a good look.
IMHO, someone is grandstanding, playing to his/her crowd for cheers.
Anytime a politician gets involved in deciding that x is/is not a medical/mental condition, the chances of said politician getting it right are slim to none, and Slim left town.
Of course, some politicians wear white coats (e.g. Fauci) and are no more correct in their judgments.
Honestly, I was surprised to learn the authors all had an R next to their names.
I assumed they were D and trying to claim some kind of worker’s compensation.
I was waiting for someone to take this direction. Honestly, I can easily imagine a whole bunch of lefty-loonies latching on to this, for some kind of disability claim.
Some of us Minnesotans are kind of crazy….in a good way.
True, giving left/libtards another “diagnosis” they can use to evade/deny personal responsibility by having an “illness” for which they’ll likely claim endless therapeutic and Free Sh*t support to remedy might not be the best idea.
Personality disorder (and, maybe, angry villagers with torches and pitchforks) could be better.