“Fighting Knights” sign removed on Army base

Those terrorists at Military Religious Freedom Foundation have successfully struck again, this time in Hawaii according to the Army Times in a link sent by Bobo. The sign above was posted outside an Army training center at Fort Shafter and was in front of the “Fighting Knights” of Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 8th Special Troops Battalion. The MRFF president Mikey Weinstein, the fellow who likes all religions except Christianity, emailed the unit and they completely collapsed hours after his call. But, see, being a terrorist, Mikey isn’t satisfied;
Weinstein’s email to Dorman also requests an investigation into the matter and the punishment of those found responsible. He also chastises the general for sending a tweet that included the image through what appears to be his personal Twitter account, and suggests that such imagery “enrages our Islamic allies” and “emboldens our Islamic enemies.”
“This shocking utilization by your command of this weaponized imagery representation of historic Christian sectarian warfare and brutality is just PLAIN WRONG both as a matter of law and as a practical matter,” the email reads, in part.
Yeah, images are more damaging to our relationships with our enemies than, say, bombs or bullets. Mikey Weinstein is nothing but a punk troublemaker. these unit commanders only encourage his terroristic behavior by caving to his puny demands. The military has too many other things going on to be paying any attention to to petty tyrants like Mikey Weinstein and his Military Freedom From Religion group.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Weinstein would bitch if two sticks in the road happened to form something vaguely like a cross. And I would think all the munitions and troops who have gone to the sandbox(es) have probably alienated a lot more folks than a small sign at a training site. Isn’t that what the military is supposed to do – terminally offend our enemies?
I bet if their motto was “The Fighting Dildos” they would have been allowed to keep it.
The new, all inclusive Army and all.
Jesus CHRIST the U.S. Military Brass has turned into Romper Room.
Pussies.
They could have just removed the cross. Not all knights were Templars or Crusaders.
Oh, it was the cross that was offensive? I thought maybe it was the horse. Horse flatulence kills baby polar bears. It’s science!
He is not on a horse. Maybe that was a response to a previous complaint.
Or they could have said that offending our enemies is kinda the whole point, our only true allies among moslems are the Kurds, who don’t mind Christians and don’t give a shit about someone displaying a cross, and Weinstein can kindly fuck off.
If someone gets offended by that kind of imagery? They’re literally, not figuratively too stupid for the common good. And no, I wouldn’t be offended to see someone sporting imagery from Ghengis Khan, the Goths, the Gauls, Saladin’s Army, the Romans, the Greek, the Chinese or Shaka Zulu. This guy is as fundamentally broken as any other religious fruitcake that’s a step before radicalized.
Removing the cross is offensive to some of us!!! When is someone going to tell that evil bastard in the white house to phuck off? Or at least to GO TO HELL, where we know the evil punk is going anyway, but just to let him know, we APPROVE!!!
Fuck you all on this one.
As a atheist who had to deal with open discrimination, even explicit – and I quote – “Atheists are not fit to be one of God’s soldiers” discrimination those thinking it is ok for a command to signal to troops that the organization is a Christian organization are fucking tyrants and people saying you cannot do that are not infringing on your rights and they are not pussies.
You do not have a right to try to turn a military unit into a unit in the army of God and you do not have a right to try to turn the US army into an Army of God nor do you have the right to influence defense strategy in order to further your fucking irrational religiously motivated crusade against Islam.
Seriously, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who thinks it is ok to make a crusader the unit mascot is a shitbag.
Fuck you, you fucking fuck!
Go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Fuck you and your whiney ass. You think you are the only person to hear religious messages that they didn’t like? Or hear other commentaries on ones ability to be (or not be) a good soldier based on some other arbitrary belief that had nothing to do with being a soldier? How much you could drink, how many girls you were with, etc…
Get the fuck over yourself Lars. You are just about the biggest pussies, and when it comes to whining about hurt feelings you are right up at the top.
Someone get this dud a bottle of pamprin. Scratch that, I know woman in while in the throes of PMS from Hell didn’t whine like this bitch.
Yeah, defending western civilization from invasion, women and children from rape and slavery, and minority rights are definitely shitbag virtues.
Thank you. The leftist myth that the Crusades were naked aggression is complete bullshit. The Crusades were direct retaliation against the Byzantine empire and their brutal expansion into western lands.
Assuming you meant “Ottoman Empire.” The Byzantines were Christian.
It was both.
Put me in the shitbag column. Also in the don’t give a shit column.
//lithium saves!
Oh look, it’s VAGINA MAN!!
Jesus, H. Tapdancing On A Cracker Christ.
Here you go Lars. NSF Pussy Boys like Lars.
Better watch out… he’s gonna go over to his buddies at DU and tell them that we’re “big meanies” because we have no problems with the knight/crusader emblem.
Maybe you should consider putting your maxi pad on adhesive side down next time…you might not be such a bitch then.
That will leave a mark…SNAP!!!
God’s army dipshits fan the flames of these conflicts and cause Americans to be killed with the stupid shit they are doing on the ground to further alienate and piss off the population.
That is a fact.
One of you dumbfucks was pissing in gatorade bottles and handing it out to children. Because it is ok right? They are Muslims so it is funny right? After all what else would you expect from a soldier on a mission from God in a battlespace where the battlespace owner explicitly briefs his soldiers “Fuck these people”.
or a “cultural sensitivity” brief ends with “IF God is on our side, who is on theirs?”
“God’s army” rejects harm our efforts and national security with your fucking crusade mentality. Fuck those guys. And if you are one of them then fuck you.
You want to fight in a crusade? Then join a militia and go to the ME, but get the hell out of the US military.
Uh-oh. Lars has exposed himself again.
2/17 Air Cav, you could at least post A SPEW ALERT! Hot liquids through one’s nostrils are an uncomfortable sensation, at best.
“Uh-oh. Lars has exposed himself again.”
It looks like a penis, only smaller.
This is in honor of you, Lars:
https://youtu.be/-NhHUZMufLA
Your comments would be hurtful if you mattered.
Only hurtful if you thought the US military is God’s army and your service in it was service to you mission from God.
and if you did then I meant every word I said.
Again…it would only be hurtful if you mattered…
AIDS doesn’t work quickly enough for some folks…but it always works.
Sleep well, Sparkle Pony.
“AIDS doesn’t work quickly enough for some folks…but it always works.”
Quote of the day. You win
Being on a mission from God worked out rather well for the Blue’s Brothers though. So why not for us?
Where I live, Lars, the public school sports teams KNEEL and PRAY after every game. No one complains. In fact, many bow their heads and pray as the athletes and coaches do. These are public schools, Lars. Want another sucks donut? Just trying to make you feel better. And, hey, when your boy says “And God bless the United States of America” at the end of his speeches, do you cringe, throw something at the TV, or do you just tell yourself as most of us do, he said it but he doesn’t mean it: he’s just playing to Peoria?
I was involved in organized prayer constantly in the military. And I saw it frequently in community functions such as rodeos and local events.
But those are different issues. Some need to be addressed other are completely within the domain of free speech.
However, a unit masco it not a free speech right. The unit belongs to the US army and the Army gets to decide whether they approve of the message a particular mascot conveys.
A knight wearing Crusade armor and symbols conveys a “Army of God” or “Crusader Army” message which signals to soldiers that the unit gives preference to Christian beliefs and signals to the communities in which we operate that the unit is a unit Crusader unit.
It asinine that some dipshit commander approved this mascot, making it ridiculous that anyone ever had to complain in the first place.
Out of curiosity what did you do in the military Lars?
98C, 97B, 35D, 11A, 38A.
Sigint, Counter intel, Intel, Infantry, and Civil Affairs.
Do you think a Jewish ninja would use a throwing star of david?
Isn’t that the ultimate skill in Krav Maga?
When I was commissioned we had a few guys who came from CS/CSS MOSs and thought that it would be cool to be an 11A. Interestingly, they too were back in a CS/CSS MOS before they made captain. It was explained to most of them by their battalion commanders that the Infantry eat their own for sport and they’d become someone’s snack. Sound familiar?
He was the atheist chaplain (self-appointed).
I admit to being an outsider (foreign veteran); but I seriously doubt if ANY soldier in that unit attached some sort of religious importance to the mascot. And I’m even willing to hazard a guess that they did NOT march (or whatever you all do) to ‘onward Christian soldiers’…
Okay, if there’s a Jewish chaplain so he probably didn’t display it during worship.
My father was a contractor/specialist with USA HQ in Germany in 1945. Big admirer of Eisenhower (as most of that generation were). Know what Ike’s memoir of the campaign is called? The Great Crusade. Omigosh! And didn’t he use that phrase on the eve of the Normandy invasion, in his letter to the soldiers? Double Omigosh! I’ll bet not ONE of those men took offense, no matter their personal religious persuasion. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/06/you-are-about-to-embark-upon-great.html
As I understand it, combat units look for some sort of mascot that will show them to be fierce and tenacious. Not everyone can have the USMC bulldog; but they sure don’t want Casper the Friendly Ghost! As someone pointed out, there’s probably some unit with Vikings, or Visigoths, or Genghis Khan. None of that is taken very seriously in the 21st century, is it? If it is, you all have a serious mental problem in the military.
More sucks donuts for you Lars. While no service member is forced to attnd religious services, how nice is it that your tax dollars support not only chaplains but the offices they occup and the buildings (including heat, water, and so on) in which they conduct services?
I understand why Chaplains exist.
Because without a Chaplaincy we would essentially be denying soldiers their right to religious practice when they were in areas in which there was no alternatives (such as on deployment or on training excercises).
However, organized prayer as part of mandatory unit functions is questionable and will likely be challenged someday.
And Chaplains that refuse to provide counseling or services to soldiers who are not their religion; example the recent issue with evangelical Chaplains refusing to provide any services our counseling that was not in accordance with Evangelical beliefs have no business serving.
By refusing to provide services and support outside their religion a Chaplain is essentially denying access to religious services the access to which is the primary justification for the existence of Chaplains.
I also think the use of Chaplains as cultural and religious sensitivity experts is asinine. Far too many recently recruited Chaplains hate Islam and often Muslims and have no business being the commander’s primary staff advisor on the religion, it practices, or cultural concerns with respect to it.
So what does self-professed atheist Lars scream when masturbating his clenis and fingering his girl parts?
“Oh me, Oh Me, OH ME!!!”
/just wondering.
If you keep making comments like that, we’re going to start sending you the bill for the brain bleach.
Just fair warning.
Damn! Where’s Crusader Rabbit when you need him?
Oh, yeah – lardbutt, YOU don’t have the right to tell anyone how to think, what to believe, or what to say.
Go call your mother and tell her she wants you.
A unit mascot is not a free speech right. The unit does not belong to the commander. It belongs to the US army.
Why are you stalking me, you creep?
You posted a response to my post. I am literally responding to that.
That is not stalking, weirdo.
You are stalking me when you post in my comments, you creepazoid. I’m just returning it to you.
You do realize this whole nested comment section is under one of my original comments. So this whole response thing is on you.
He got one thing right Ex… You are a weirdo. My Kinda weirdo!
Shitbag.
I am confused. Mr. Taylor acted like he didn’t want to have sex last night. Now this. He is sending mixed signals again.
The use of religious symbolism by any government entity is going to be met with objections. Of course having a horse head as a symbol does not suggest everyone in that unit is an equestrian.
As best I can tell Mikey is bilking over $300,000 a year in compensation from his little not for profit donations. Nearly half of all proceeds collected.
One would think for that kind of money he would be a little more productive in his efforts. Mikey is not Atheist, he is a practicing Jew and by his own admission prays several times a day.
He is one of Gods chosen people. The rest of us are just screwed and we were born that way.
As and Atheist, I find the belief in supernatural deities absurd. However, I think that a practicing Jew fighting Christian symbolism within the military is a bit ironic.
Ok, if some unit called themselves the Fighting Arabs it would be all over the news. This is hardly worth the time to type this.
To my deluded Christian friends I close with; I wish you happy holidays and A Very Merry Christmas. See, its not hard to respect the beliefs of others.
Do you think Mikey would be offended with a cartoon of a Jewish ninja using a throwing star of david? just wondering….
Hmmmmm, I like the way you think. Mikey will only be truly offended if his donations drop.
He is no different than Josh Feuerstein that stirs up shit and reaps the cash for his efforts.
I confronted his ass on his own site, gutless prick seems to have lost his voice on the issue.
He likes to attack signs I guess, maybe its because they cant talk back.
IIRC, Adam Goldberg used such a weapon in “The Hebrew Hammer.”
Mr. Hardin, thank you for your well thought out and written post in response to Mr. Taylor’s…I don’t really get the point of, message. First, as a practicing Christian, thank you for the holiday wishes. Much more than that though Sir, thank you for your respect of my right to believe and worship as I chose. Just as I would fight and die, in defense of our Constitution for its guarantee of your right to believe or not as you chose. This is one of the many great things I hold dearly about our nation. Have a good day Sir and again thank you.
Good to hear from you Sparks. I hope all is well.
Best Regards and Merry Christmas.
You as well Sir. Thank you and Best Regards to you and your family.
Sounds more like you were a shitbag that got hazed for being a bitch ass pussy. Instead of sacking up you try and blame it on discrimination for being an atheist. In the ten years that I served not once did I see anyone discriminated against for being an atheist. I saw way more Christians discriminated against than anyone else. I’m a deist and I see no problem with a crusader as a mascot and I’m far from a shitbag and any record dug up on me would prove that.
Nope. Not even close.
Mr Taylor tends to over reach with his statements from time to time. “All of us” can get fucked I guess.
In all my years of service I never really found any horrible form of religious discrimination. They wouldn’t put Atheist on my dog tags so I made my own. I guess that could be seen as discrimination but I was too buys doing other shit to worry about it.
I was responding to the posts that had been made up to that time and anyone else that thinks it is OK for a unit commander to approve a Christian Crusader as a unit mascot in the contemporary operating environment and in an Army that is not, nor ever was, entirely Christian.
I am also taling to the idiots that keep trying to use the military as a mechanism to fight some religious war or participate in some halfwit irrational end of times prophecy.
That’s a very creative explanation, Lars. I’m guessing that since all of two people had commented prior to your progressive admonition, the other parts of your response were just what you imagined at the time you wrote it.
I think his neighbor’s Labrador retriever talks to him in a language only they understand.
Don’t confuse the issue with facts Air Cav….
I know what you meant. You over reach with your language from time to time. There are many people who post here and many others that just visit these pages who have no religious affiliation.
I agree a Christian Crusader is a bit much for a Unit mascot. Just like using an Islamic or Jewish symbolic reference would be.
As for the End Time Prophecy, I have survived many “End Time” predictions during my life.
Weinstein does these things to promote Weinstein. This particular event most probably could have been, and would have been, corrected without his grandstanding.
I, as I am sure you do, respect the right for people to worship as they choose, or not at all for that matter.
I find religion in general irrational. I will defend their right to be so, what you are not so good at doing is getting people to understand that you would too.
Dave my dog tags said “NO PREF”…not atheist as I have zero preference for religion…I think the military thought I was open to all of them, but the reality is I have no preference…because to me they are all equally absurd, but again I’m not offended by a cross in a public cemetery and I’m not offended by a Knights Templar as a mascot…I get what Lars is trying to say but I’ve never actually cared enough about religion one way or another for it to affect me…the Knights Templars fought hard, sure they slaughtered innocents along with heretics, but hey war is never pretty…
That is what they put on my dog tags as well. The No Preference thing really bugged me. I too figured they would take that as any religious thing would be ok.
The last thing I wanted to happen would be to become wounded and have some Chaplin or someone else chanting to their invisible friend over me.
If I was able to speak at that moment they would have been far more offended than I would have been.
Mr Taylor has a talent for being caustic with his posts. It makes great conversation in the forum. Often, it makes me question my position on a topic.
I never cared much about religions things while I was serving. From time to time something would come up, but honestly most people I served with could have gave a shit less one way or the other. Probably still true today.
Unit names are always a bit odd. I was in Second Field Artillery Group at one point. Our gear and field jackets said 2nd FAG on them. I found that offensive as I am never comfortable being second anything.
Semper Fi.
I bet you are just fine with the military “turning” a unit into a bunch of faggots and queers and transvestites are you?
Except that is not what is happening.
Gays have always served in the military. Even when you were in.
The question was never about whether they could serve, they had been serving honorably and fighting our wars since our nation was founded, the question was whether they should be able to serve without fear of harassment or prosecution by their command and bigoted fucksticks like you.
Transgender troops have to wear the uniform of their biological gender. So they also served today just as they did when you were in.
You assume a great deal, Lars. What percentage of Revolutionary War troops were gay AND served honorably? Go ahead and name a few. How about the Civil War? World War I? As I understand it, honorable service and sodomy just didn’t fit hand in glove.
If you think that nobody who fought in the revolutionary war for America was gay then you too foolish to reason with.
It is like Ahmadinejad claiming their are no gay people in Iran.
Seriously, that is an insane belief. We know that his contemporaries believed that Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben was gay, and his service to our country as a General in the continental Army is among the most celebrated in our history.
We also have records of discharges of some gay commissioned officers for being caught in acts of sodomy. Rumors alone were not sufficient for dismissal.
Based on the fact that gays were serving and not all were caught in acts of sodomy it is certain that many completely their service honorably.
“We also have records of discharges of some gay commissioned officers for being caught in acts of sodomy.” Oh, WE do? Well, then, Lars, tell me what sort of discharges they were? Were they reflective of honorable service? See, you don’t read. You read-in.
Yeah, the lad’s reading comprehension skills do often leave much to be desired.
I’m guessing the majority of officers caught in flagrante delicto de Sodomis prior to the repeal of DADT were allowed to resign “for the good of the service” – particularly if their discharge was during or prior to the Vietnam War. As I recall, that form of officer resignation is only offered in lieu of court-martial and yields the equivalent of a General-UOTH characterization of service.
“Based on the fact that gays were serving and not all were caught in acts of sodomy it is certain that many completely their service honorably.” Fact? So, name a few who served during the wars I mentioned.
You stating the obvious moron!
Gays have served as long as history itself and it never meant much ’til sex orientation was forced down our throats (ah not intended).
Good example was ‘Ike’s’ staff and many I served with before the drama of ’93’, which started very badly with a late summons of the JCS (through a side door at the WH), where as a twenty something said, “the Clinton’s will see you now”.
Almost one month late to meet with the JCS and the FIRST order of business was DADT. Nice!
Oh, then came Les Aspen!
So bone up on history and get back to me.
One other thing there Skippy, making sex orientation an issue has degraded readiness. As I witnessed damn good mil members run out of the mil during DADT. There was no issue before. In fact, the gay lobby that fought for and lobbied the Clinton machine largely DID NOT SERVE.
So, go order up a 10,000 gallon tank of US NAVY UNDERWAY GFY FUEL.
Not only that, but DADT was a chickenshit non-action action that Clinton implemented to make it seem like he was doing something.
The military was already in a Don’t Ask Don’t Tell mode. They asked the question once and that was it. After that they didn’t really want to know and homosexuals really didn’t tell. Though plenty of units had and knew of gays in their units.
Just the same as the “enlisted and officers can’t be in relationships” rule that came out in the late 90s. Not even 1% of officers and enlisted were in relationships, but they enacted that to make it look like they were doing something about the sexual harassment issues at the time.
Liberals seem to be rather good at the “Oh my god, that’s an issue! Here I’m going to do something, but it really won’t mean much. Though I’ll make it a big deal and you’ll think I’m doing something significant” responses.
No disrespect meant, 2/17, but straight people bugger ass too, mate. I get if it ain’t your cup of tea, though.
Yeah, Fastjack. That’s true. I am not at all certain what it means but it’s true.
You man, you are freakin’ us out a wee bit!
And like I said below, I’m more than ready to accept the downsides of freakin’ people out. Personally, I’m just trying to find a word for where my political leanings lie, because it’s becoming painfully apparent that Lars has done a good job pissing all over the term “liberal”. Fuckin’ a.
Of course that is not happening–yet. It’s too new. The Pentagon hasn’t even yet decided which bathroom a chick with a dick should use, has it?
Did you ever see that “Broken and Unreadable” webcomic about DADT getting revoked? A Marineis utilizing the females’ shower, while a female Marine covers her ladyparts and demands to know what the fuck he’s doing there. He replies, “Hey, if some faggot gets to watch me in the shower, it’s only fair that I be afforded the same opportunity.”
Lars is right. Some faggot was already watching you in the shower prior to DADT being repealed. Hell one such guy was the piss test NCO in my company and he was the only one who actually did the job by the book!
That should’ve been them Telling us they were gay.
You could tell the men who were suckered into the meat gazer job and didn’t want to be there. They’d be standing across the latrine waiting for you.
We had a Captain in our unit in Iraq with “Gay” in his last name who got tagged as a meat gazer. Yeah, you can’t make this shit up and if he were any closer to dudes, they would’ve been asking about the pencil in his pocket.
Luckily I wasn’t there for that and took one later with someone else.
On US Navy ships, they will use the newly installed the padded urinals.
Hey Lars. I am well aware I served at the same time as homos. Had two in my platoon. With regards to your accusation:
“…harassment or prosecution by their command and bigoted fucksticks like you….”
Never happened to either of them there buddy! Not from battalion command all the way down to their peers such as myself. They were both fine soldiers. I hung out with one of them quite a bit actually. Not that I have to have a gay friend to shuck off your charge of bigotry or prove anything to you.
Because I choose to freely use the word faggot or homo, you now assign harassment and bigotry to me and my chain of command?
Hmmm… I thought you were a fact based atheist. You don’t like the words I used so you hurl over baseless charges. Lars… your posts are usually more controlled than that. Get some rest buddy.
You pegged him properly!
His youth and inexperience shouts, “punch me in the face”.
I never had a problem with this issue, ’til it was an issue.
“Transgender troops have to wear the uniform of their biological gender”.
Yes and they all look fabulicious!
Dear God, a spew warning PLEASE. I have freakin’ tea here!
“Transgender troops have to wear the uniform of their biological gender.”
Bigotry at it’s finest Lars. Why do you confine the freaks to their biological gender? You are so obviously homophobic Lars.
Then you should go to Iran.
I mean this with all sincerity Lars
Fuck you a whole bunch. People with attitudes (not beliefs but attitudes) like yours are part of the reason this country is starting to slide downhill. Everyone wants to be different and then is outraged when someone points out their different. I hate to tell anyone, but you can be a special snowflake all you want but when you believe and act differently than the majority of people; and especially the majority of your peers you are going to be viewed as different. So take your bullshit atheist discrimination I’m a victim tears and go cry them somewhere else. Fuck off.
Correction they’re different not their.
Preach. If you’re gonna be different, sack up and accept that other people may not see eye to eye with you 100% of the time. Bitching about “discrimination” has gotten pretty ingenuous coming from frickin’ college kids.
It is not discrimination that is the issue. That can be addressed.
It is the persistent attitude that they have a right to discriminate and when they are told they do not have the right to discriminate they whine about their rights being violated or the army becoming “pussified.”
And the persistent attitude that they have even a moral authority to discriminate due to their religious beliefs about other groups.
Seriously, fuck those guys. And it looks like many on this thread are them.
Ok, now correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re a white, Berkley-educated collegiate male with dubious at best military service, considering I’m not gonna ask you to drop a DD-214 in this thread on a public forum.
The reason I make this assumption is so I can ask you what the fuck you know about discrimination? Honestly, I doubt you were ever in the military in the first place. Because where you see discrimination, I see the same platoon/squadron comfortable fuckery that existed before the politically correct stormtroopers started rolling in.
My statement still stands. If you’re gonna be different, sack up and accept it when someone calls you on it. Hell, I’m just as liable as to call someone a sheepshagging motherfucker till they earn my respect, which most of the people here have done. I’d expect the same consideration(or lack thereof, for you collegy types) from any other person here.
A faggot’s a faggot’s a colloquialism for a gay person taken from a bundle of sticks, don’t like it, tough, get off the island.
Your not even original.
Make sure you footnote.
Discrimination because they had a classic figure as a warrior for their motto? Bullshit. Get over it, everyone doesn’t have to cater to every last whim of pick a group. If the majority of the unit want it gone remove it. Unless the unit wants it gone who cares?
Dude I’m a fucking atheist and I’ve never once had a discrimination issue. Perhaps it’s because I mind my own fucking business and don’t get butthurt over little or stupid shit and then make an ass of myself in a public forum or setting.
Have you tried that tactic yet? I bet it’ll work wonders for you
It’s the badge of all progressives. They had to have been victims of something to qualify for the snuggle–um, struggle. So, Lars was the victim of non-religious discrimination. He didn’t get invited to the Easter egg hunt and he’s never gotten over it.
Or Lars never got picked when playing “Duck, Duck, Goose”
Those four year olds can just be so mean at times.
I was thinking a Knight Templar must have touched his no-no spot in a past life. Just brainstorming.
Maybe he peed his britches a few times too many in high school because he was always shit-scared of getting “swirlied” by the jocks in the Boy’s restroom!
Funny how the Pagan doesn’t care, and yet the atheist is flipping a bitch over it. Things to do: change my screen name to something pagan-related JUST to piss Lars off.
Lars, ya jagoff…the whole point behind the Crusader is to represent Civilization coming to a savage land. I suspect that’s why that Army unit had the Crusader as its logo.
Now, as one erudite soul on this site once put it:
You. Bag of dicks. Fork. Now.
That is bullshit. That is not even what happened during the Crusades you dumb fuck.
What is bullshit? No Easter egg hunts? Suspended for the duration of the Crusades? I am befuddled, bewildered, and bemused.
You’re right. The Crusades was to combat the Muslims that took over Spain and France and were starting to ship sex slaves back to the Middle East, average age: 12.
HEY Larsie-pinky-candy-BOY, has it ever occurred to you that you’re about as well liked here as warm beer, rotten pussy and Jane Fonda are to Grunts? GFY sideways with a barrel cactus wrapped in asbestos, little bitch-boy!!
Hey scrunt-face,
What discrimination did you face, and when?
Any jerkoff who cannot parse the inherent conundrum in the statement “Atheists are not fit to be one of God’s soldiers” should be sentenced to an ISIS “pound me in the ass” prison.
Regarding your statements about “rights” that you think others possess, nice straw man arguments, but no dice.
I’m going to suggest you revert your stupid ass overseas, join ISIS if you’re THAT deadset against another Crusade, and perhaps await the arrival of your duly-designated Hellfire. Even though that would be a waste of a perfectly good missile on what appears to be a complete and total soup sandwich.
Fcuking douche-canoe. FOAD.
Really? I swore to God in an oath, that I would defend my country against all enemies.
Sorta makes me a Soldier of the Lord. Damn proud of it too.
So…if you served, and took the oath, that would make you a fucking liar.
Nobody likes a liar.
Why is it okay for you to force your system of beliefs on me and others against our will while at the same time removing historical landmarks and heraldry?
Hey, dickhead! You need to step the fuck back for a moment. I’m an atheist as well. I’m also a female, and an Army vet. And yet I have NEVER, EVER dealt with discrimination – open or covert.
Wonder why that is! Maybe it’s because I don’t make it my mission to get offended every time I see something resembling religious imagery. Maybe it’s the fact that I don’t get sand in my vagina when someone mentions the word “God” or bows their head to pray. Maybe it’s because I’m not a fucking douchebag about my atheism, so religious people aren’t dicks to me! Ever consider that?
And what would you call someone who doesn’t keep their word that they are leaving this site, never to return?
You come here to be offended because you need to be offended to have purpose in your life of needing victimization.
Uh oh, you’re even posting on a site that’s called “This Ain’t Hell”. Hell is a religious concept. You’re violating your own atheism by being here and being involved in a site with religiousity.
Ok genius. So no “Crusader.” Spartan? Oh wait, they held slaves. Worshiped their own Gods. How about US Cavalry? Wait, they killed Indians. How about Norse Vikings? Wait, they took slaves too, worshiped Odin. Mikey would hate them. He needs to pull his panties out, so do you. If a picture can offend you, you’re beyond ridiculous. That’s the point. You’re offended by a painting. Seriously. You have not grown up yet, neither has Mikey.
We can’t even use our own military hierarchy structure because it was based on the British version. They did horrible things to the Irish and Scottish.
We’re all fucked because there’s going to be offense about everything, especially the military.
My last unit was called the Centurions and the symbol was the Centurion helmet. I guess I should have been offended that they were trying to make us into a Pagan Army.
Shocked they aren’t laying down in front of the fridge, kicking and screaming over the “offensive” imagery in their UNIT CREST in the upper right corner as well.. is that what’s next? Removing all offensive imagery , crosses and weapons from unit crests as well? We might as well just start handing out new patches with teletubbies on them if that’s the case.
What the fuck has become of my Army?
It is not your army, and it is not God’s army.
It is the US army and not everyone serving in it is Christian and NONE of them are on a mission from God or the Pope.
This mascot was a blatant violation of EO policies and it was absolutely asinine in the contemporary operating environment.
Before the EO became it’s own God/Pope of PC-ness (haha, sounds like p*nis), this unit mascot would not have been offensive. But that’s what happens when you have a wide set vagina, your Larsness.
Yeah, because fucknuts like you get all butthurt right out of the gate. I’m sure that everyone that saw that “mascot” was either instantly turned into a religious zealot, or burst into flames if they were an atheist. Where are the words “mission from god” that you keep harping about? I don’t see them anywhere on that sign. I think you love to interject your own bias into the argument in order to attempt to make yourself look smarter than you really are.
You’re nothing but a smarmy little asshole that was either beat too much, or not enough. I’m not sure which, but the effect is the same.
Now FOAD
What if the unit chose the nickname “Sinister” and used a Satanic symbol as their mascot.
Would the army be wrong in telling the commander to change it? Would Christian soldiers be wrong in making a request to the MRFF to help them to get it changed?
You are a sack of shit hypocrite.
Nice try dumbass. I wouldn’t give a shit if they did adopt the nickname “Sinister”. In fact, that would be wonderful to do so, for psyops and intimidation purposes. I wish they would issue skull balaclavas for our troops to wear into battle so that the enemy acts like you do when you see a christian symbol i.e. wet themselves, crawl into the fetal position, and start sucking their thumb.
If you’re trying to hurt my feelings, pussy, you will have to try a lot harder.
Hmm. Would “Sinister Brigade” ride/fly/march into battle to the music of Black Sabbath and/or Ozzy Ozborne?
Slipknot and 5 Finger Death Punch?
Sabbath over Slipknot. Slipknot lost their touch with “All Hope Is Lost”. I could see a bunch of Sinister Brigaders going in to War Pigs, tbh
Sold!!!!
Lars’ battle hymn:
True. Or, Slayer would be another good choice, even though I think they, too, have lost their edge a little bit.
Sabbath’s “War Pigs” would certainly be apropos. If they’re mech or armor, “Iron Man” would work too IMO.
I would agree with you, Old Sarge, except that ‘sinister’ means ‘left’ in Latin, and therefore, is not nearly as bad as people think it is.
However, taking into consideration that it’s an insult to ME types to use your left hand for — well, shaking hands, for instance, and I do know someone who does that because his right side is paralyzed – well, it could definitely be a threat of sorts, once they figured it out.
Here’s a good use of it: a sord held by an upraised left hand. Below it, the motto: Sinistra manu Dei.
They might figure that out after a whie.
Ah, crap! That should be ‘sword’.
Haven’t buckled a swash in a while. I will go and apologize to my s-w-o-r-d.
I’m half asleep. Too much soup. I meant OLD TROOPER. Mea purgando, mi amice.
That’s ok, sweetie, I still love ya!
…That’s badass enough that I want it tattooed, not even gonna play here
I want to see the artwork on that. I might even turn it into a t-shirt.
It might even make a good book cover. Hmmm…. all kinds of possibilities come up now.
What if a unit claimed a name like “Devils”? As in “Devils in Baggy Pants”. More rational minds prevailed; the mentally deficient, corner criers were in safe Asylum for their good; and America was a less butthurt place back then.
see 1st Special Service Force, aka ‘der Teufelbrigade’ (The Devil’s Brigade) – fine old joint US-Canadian unit from WWII widely considered to be the predecessors of today’s special ops forces. Good thing they aren’t around today, some idiot would get terribly offended, I’m sure
Actually had the great honor to meet a member (Devil’s Brigade) a few years back at the VA. He was wearing the hat and I asked him what he was in for. He pointed to his bandage and said the “The damned doc cut off a part of my ear”.
I responded, “Come on, Sarge, back in the day you probably cut off lots of ears.” The dear old gent thought that was hilarious.
They’d be called the 504th PIR. And they’d be one of the most famous units in the US Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/504th_Infantry_Regiment_%28United_States%29
I’d laugh my ass off and serve with pride if the unit was The insidious Flaming Dildos Squadron. Hell ya
Our associates in the USMC do not seem to have any problems with the term “Devil Dogs”. Quite the contrary.
Why is it I never hear the Evangelical Atheists griping about “devil” used in that context, or any others of similar martial usage?
…. still waiting…
Closet Satan worshipers?
Undisclosed Ba-al followers?
Proponents and full-fledged members of the Shortdix Society?
But what do I know?
I know a few parents who are in the military and won’t let their kids watch or read the Harry Potter stuff because they perceive it as ant-Christian. So, they should be up in arms about something like this:
or this:
http://thumbs1.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/271110233316_/C-CO-3-158th-AVN-OIF-07-09-WIZARDS-patch.jpg
or this:
http://www.qmmuseum.lee.army.mil/airborne/18thabn.jpg
or this:
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0217/0182/products/ar_chem_school__5_large.jpg?v=1362781702
Funny, as far as I know, none have run to the EO office with a case of butt hurt over any of that. But, none of them are making a sweet six figure salary by fomenting hate and discontent.
Now you’re just grasping at straws dude.
There are more references to the devil, demons, etc., type symbology for military units than “holy” symbology.
We even use greek mythological “Gods” as mascots and symbols in the US military. Does that mean we are Soldiers of Zeus too?
Actually, it is our Army. It is the American Army and we are Americans. I know the history of this country and I know that your people wish to repress it. The first job in the Army was Infantry. The second job was Supply. Do you know what the third job was? It was Chaplain. By order of the Continental Congress. By a unanimous vote.
7th Signal Brigade changed the motto on their unit crest to “Voice of freedom” because “Get the word to the man” (Shortened from “get the word to the man in the field that needs it”) was deemed sexist.
Es Verdad, mi hijo
I remember singing Captain Jack as a cadence in AIT and did the “loving man” verse and my Drill Sgt was a bit “mmmmmm” about that because we had females in our platoon. Though he didn’t make a big deal about it, just a quick “something to pay attention to” comment after we finished marching. Granted a couple of the females didn’t mind as we learned later.
“God bless the military, their families and the civilians who work with them.” USMC Sign.
Mickey “$300,000/year–Keep those donations coming!” Weinstein asked the USMC to remove the sign and was told, in other words, to go screw himself. The Army couldn’t take its sign down fast enough. Pussy boys.
In case anyone’s interested, here’s the 990 for Mikey’s charity for 2013.
http://pdfs.citizenaudit.org/2014_10_EO/20-3967302_990_201312.pdf
Nearly $300k a year was spent to pay salaries. They had one person receiving compensation – Mikey.
But the foundation certainly got their money’s worth. The form states that he worked 15 hrs a day, 7 days a week, for the foundation (average hours per week: 105).
Not a bad paying gig if you can get it and…if you can look yourself in the mirror shaving and sleep at night.
Mikey appears to have no problems in that regard. Per this source, he seems to have been collecting a salary in the $250+k range from his “foundation” since around 2008.
https://www.citizenaudit.org/203967302/
Well 15 hours a day is relative just like 7 days a week is relative too.
I heard that from Iraqis and Afghans a lot too. lol
True. But those IRS forms are signed under penalty of perjury.
What Mikey is claiming here is that he worked the equivalent of 15 hours a day, 7 days a week, with zero days off during the year 2013. Taking off 1 day would add an extra hour to 15 other days to keep up the average. That means Mikey could have worked 16 hour days – if he took off less than 2 days per month.
Now, add in a couple of hours a day for meals, commuting, grocery/other shopping, relaxation/recreation, personal hygiene, reading mail/paying personal bills, etc . . . , and you’re easily up to 17-18 hrs daily. That doesn’t leave much time for sleep.
I for one don’t buy that “average of 105 hours a week” claim for a minute.
Maybe he thought it meant how many hours a week do you sleep?
Your knowledge of math and accounting makes me speechless Hondo.
Muslim Jihadists don’t need an obscure sign on an Army Base in Hawaii as an excuse to be angry with Americans…they already hate us.
Exactly. Even if we ignore the signal it send to non-Christian, particularly Muslim, soldiers, it is an asinine message for a commander to have approved in the contemporary operating environment.
I think maybe you read too much into it. Maybe they picked it because the Templars were supposed to be the bad asses of their time period.
Sure, that is likely why “Joe” drew it. But the commander and 1SG knew damn well the message it would convey when they approved it.
Jeez Lars, did you ever consider that the image of a knight just be have been regarded as a romantic warrior image? You can explain what this progressive/marxist/ commie bastard and that one MEANT or INTENDED but you give no such consideration to others. Nice.
Even at this late date, some people do not run through the 1001 questions of political correctness, Lars. Some of these louts will say “God bless you” when you sneeze and “Merry Christmas” at Christmastime. The bastards.
Hey Lars, let’s try this idea. Let the troops in that unit vote if they want to change image. When the minority start ruling the majority ?I had to look twice for what the asshole complaint was about. I saw a friece warrior from the past. Lars , YOUR SERVICE IS OVER. So shut up and Man up.
Like I’ve said before lartard, hate them with yet Jesus lovin heart!!!!!
Ah fuck. YER Jesus lovin heart. For crying out loud.
Have you actually opened your eyes anywhere in America? Justice, the blindfolded lady with the scales and sword, is a Greek goddess. Disney shows knights and Christian iconography, but nobody is complaining about them.
Why do you want to lower morale in the Army? By removing that symbol, you do nothing but lower the morale of the unit. The only people that see it as a Christian symbol are moonbats who look for every little thing to be offended by.
Well, be offended by this.
† May the peace and wisdom of the Lord Father Jehova God be with you Commissar, from now until He accepts the souls of all mankind into His glory and love. †
As someone that has lived in Saudi Arabia, the Imams and Mutaween have control over every aspect of society and are known to fuel the rage of the masses based upon their interpretation of the Koran. Hell, the imams are not on “the same page” when it comes to interpreting the Koran – one imam’s halal is another imam’s haram.
In many of their eyes, we’re all infidels… and deserved to be punished.
To be fair, any two fundamentalist Christian preachers each have their own interpretation of the Bible, and in the eyes of many of them we are sinners in the hands of an angry God.
True. But very few of those fundamentalist Christian ministers advocate demanding unbelievers make a choice between forcible conversion and immediate death. I don’t think even the idiots at Westboro Baptist go that far.
Arizona Pastor Steven Anderson. You should see his screed on gays, I don’t think I’ve seen the word “homo” uttered that many times in one breath since the last time I watched Gran Torino.
Yeah, Anderson is kinda “out there”. But get back to me when Anderson has either beheaded someone or burned them alive. Until then, he’s not even close to being in the same league with Islamic extremists.
Samuel Huntington gets smarter with each passing day.
I keep having to bring up that point to people thinking Christian “extremists” are as bad as Islamic extremists. Along with that, how ridiculous it is that Christians take beliefs from a book so old, etc etc.
We aren’t seeing christians putting people in cages and burning them alive. We aren’t seeing christians use their book as an excuse to commit genocide, torture, etc.
And many of the “traditional” Christian beliefs have evolved over time. Yet in muslim countries, if you steal you can get a hand cut off. If a woman is raped, she is stoned to death, even today.
Yet muslims don’t even accept a quran as a quran if it is written in any other language.
I never thought it would be possible but I’d rather hear Bernasty’s rantings than those of ole Lars.
hell, I am still trying to get past how a generic plain-vanilla image of a knight got turned into “Army of God”? Y’know the old boys frequently had multiple symbols on their shields, causing them to use different fields to divide them…. “straining at gnats and swallowing camels whole” seems to be the methodology. Some folks go through life TRYING to be offended… Mikey and Lars included.
The partitions on those shields designated family connections, social position, origin, or whatever. Most of the time it was a way of tracing ancestry amongst the noble families.
A house divided cannot stand. We are so concerned with our selves and “rights” and specific group that if the worse happens we have no one to blame but ourselves. Of course those whining the loudest and doing nothing for the greater good will just stand there, wonder what happened, and continue to blame others. The true story of the fall of Rome is a pretty interesting study. At least Italy was able to resurge. I wonder if we will be that lucky? Slight digression, but related. Does anyone remember the story about the frog and the scorpion?
Many different versions of that story. It never ends well.
I would say it is in the nature of Islam to be certain things.
Just curious if Micky Weinstein has an issue with the Golden Knights or The Blue Angels?
Mikey doesn’t have issues. He has a subscription.
Now that’s funny.
Thank ye.
I can already picture our enemies’ reactions.
“Bad news, al-Carl. The infidels took down the Crusader sign that was in Hawaii.”
“What? How are we going to be offended now?”
“Tomorrow is another day. There will be something.”
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Thank you. Still trying to figure out what the Arabic equivalent of “Dammit, Carl!” is.
It would probably be something like this:
اللعنة، أحمد!
(The name used above is Akhmed vice Carl.)
Mikey Weinie-ass was at the Air Force Academy the same time I was. I’ve read his so-called biography on-line, and never observed or even heard of any of the things he claimed happened to him as a cadet. If things were as bad as he claims, the Commandant would have called the whole Wing out to get to the bottom of it! He was a bit of a douchebag then, but his perfected it to an obviously insane level!
I see the little shit as a perpetually offended professional crusader always giving his maximum effort to force his shit down everyone else’s throat. The vast majority of people will just say “Good riddance, it’s about time!” when his time is up!
I think it is simpler than that.
He’s in it for the money. Victimization is big business. Al Sharpton is the President’s Czar for finding offense and is making millions.
Weinstein is just another douchebag making money off an idea.
This in itself is ironic because he’s not being paid in Euros or Pesos. He’s being paid in US Dollars, which have “In God We Trust” on them. But he sure doesn’t mind making 250-300 thousand of them every year.
Again, it is about money. Nothing more. This story will probably net him a few more donations. (Lars, you going to take the lead on that? LOL)
Upon deep reflection, I have to go with Lars on this one. I have a question for all of you homophobe racists, who uses shields anymore? Clesrly, vestiges of the shield and its shape exist only to offend. Isn’t just the shape of a shield emblematic of The Crusades and therefore an affront to our Muslim brothers? It matters not if the shield has a cross on it…it could have a cross on it, after all, it is a shield, and that is what matters. I look at the 1st Cav shield and it creeps me out. It has a horse on it. Horses were used to carry Christian knights into battle to slaughter innocent Muslims. It has a diagonal line on it. I am sure that is symbolic of something else that offends Muslims, but I haven’t figured it out yet. Please guys. Reconsider. Destroy your shields. Do it for the children.
How about a bull on the shield instead?
I think Jonn needs one of those (a bull shield) when dealing with the DRC.
That would need to be a full bullshit shield. Not just bull.
Huh, I thought knights were just bad asses.
Sort of warrior like and all.
Maybe an inspirational avatar for future steely eyed killers?
Am religiously ambivalent.
As long as they don’t violate rule 3, “No bullies” I got no issues.
Have been in many religious mil activities without permanent injury.
Just keep your trap shut and be respectful.
No harm, no foul.
There are worse things.
And, nice to see the Marines tell Ms. Weinstein to FOD.
Lars has made me see the light.
I’m sending a letter to the Army to ask that they change the sign and the Unit Designation to
The Fighting Vaginas
You can’t expect a 7th century enemy to understand 21st century imagery. Do the jihadists think that uneducated Muslims could easily be convinced, by the imagery we use, that we are fighting a war on religious grounds? Could the jihadists use that fear to further their own goals? And we need to decide, should have already decided, whether that is important in our involvement in the ME or not. That is the first point.
The second point has to do with religious freedom here. We live in a post-Christian era. Many religions are now found in all walks of life. Everyone is going to have to develop a thicker hide, if we’re going to be able to deal with each other. If any particular symbol of any religion, be it a Christian cross or a Wiccan pentacle, drives someone into a reactive frenzy, then that person needs to closely examine their reaction. If there ever was a time to unthinkingly follow any symbol, it’s past. If there was ever a time to unthinkingly lash out at a symbol, that time is past, also.
Sage advice, PN.
While I do not view that signage as proselytizing, unlike Mickey the Ficken Wunderwhiner, someone else may see it that way. It’s just a team logo, in my view, and nothing else.
There is always someone who is going to choose to be offended simply for the sake of being offended, and for the amount of attention s/he gets out of it.
It won’t last forever.
Point taken.
Well said. It is a good thing we didn’t ground all those offensive planes during WWII. Those barbaric savages that flew them put the most inappropriate things on those planes.
Ahhhhhh, how times have changed.
http://www.rsvlts.com/2015/03/19/wwii-planes-nose-art-photos/#1
And at the time those bombers flew, we made ‘negroes’ ride in the back of the bus, and ‘red indians’ couldn’t be on the streets of certain towns after dark. Oh, and we had ‘internment’ camps for many of our Japanese citizens. It was a different time, a different place, a different mindset. What worked then may not work for us now.
That is true enough.
Love ya, PN, but your list of social ills in the country is pretty much totally irrelevant to nose art. We didn’t cut the heads off the Nisei, or force the blacks to bleach themselves white, either.
It wasn’t just the Japanese, either. A substantial number of Italian-Americans were also interred while Italy was fighting on the side of the Axis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Italian_Americans
The US also detained 11,000+ ethnic Germans durign the war (the overwhelming majority were German nationals vice US citizens of German ancestry). That was almost certainly because the German-American community was too large for internment to have been considered (at the time, over 5 million Americans had two native-German parents).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
Back then, we were much more serious about fighting a war than we seem to be today.
Hey, if a crew of American kids facing the possibility of horrible violent death in defense of their country can’t reproduce a Penthouse (or at least Maxim) centerfold on the nose of their B-52, then what the hell are we doing here?
You guys haven’t been to the Victory Girls blog, have you? You should go there. I know the gals would appreciate it.
Here’s the link.
http://victorygirlsblog.com/
Shazaam!
Thanks, you Rock.
Dear Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation,
FUCK YOU!
Regards,
MCPO
Well, if Lars and Mikey Whiner are offended by crosses, they should check out the Coat of Arms of one of my old outfits.
12th Infantry.
Best of luck with the Institute of Heraldry and the Center of Military History in your attempts to have the Moline Crosses and the Sea Dragon deleted from the Coat of Arms.
And to think a 12th Infantry affiliated soldier received the Medal of Honor just last week.
When it comes to nicknames, the Devil is much better represented by the US Army than anything Christian.
I’ve always thought that our Army leaned more toward heathenry than devilry. Perhaps resurrecting some of the Norse gods and their stories for our imagery…?
I was referring only to unit nicknames, PN.
It’s not just the Army. Ask any US Marine what the word ‘Teufelshunde’ translates to.
Pretty Puppy
Naval Infantry?
Are not Marines aka “Devil Dogs”?
Lars will probably be pissed about this too.
He’ll be saving that one for a later time. He’s got enough to be offended about in this post already.
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We now return you to regular programming.
You want whooped cream with that?
I think that comes standard . . . pun intended. (smile)
So Lars has dominated, held court and or holds forth on virtually every thread here now.
So without him being ‘voted (or summarily thrown) off the island’ we will have to learn about what motivates such a creature.
He is a conversational narcissist who believes he is smarter than all of us. PERIOD!
For more words to describe his disruptive behavior, please go here:
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/242459/word-used-to-describe-the-act-of-dominating-a-conversation
That is all!
It’s really quite simple, Master Chief.
It’s the end of the semester. He has a break in classes between now and spring semester, and the entire school is shut down for the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays. Or will be. And Lars the Perturbable has nothing else to do.
I bet he has pretty eyes.
Actually, I think he has a squint.
Yes, definitely a squint.
An anal squint.
Not to be confused for an anal wink, although not totally unrelated.
Sometimes, when you’re a Surface IDC on amphibs, you learn things that are impossible to unlearn.
I’m jus’ sayin’…
I’m thinking Lars is a ringer hired on by the DRG just to keep the brothers riled up.
So, Lars, whatcha gonna do when the Bernath Bucks dry up?
I’m really tired of him. I’ve worn my scrolling wheel out going past all the bullshit he posts. Wish there was the thing Facebook has where you can block posts from bores like Lars. While I still spend too much time here (because I like you other folks) I’ve dialed it back because of Lars. Like his buddy Obumba said about R’s, I’m not interested in anything he has to say.
Yeah, sj, but he’s the interstate car accident. Ya just gotta look.
I honestly think that Lars began life as a car accident, one that happened in the back seat of a car at a drive-in movie theater!
He’s a professional student who subsists on grants, deferred loans and his GI bill cash.
I’m sure that as soon as he/she/it graduates, the damn thing will be bawling at everyone demanding a six figure salary because he’s so much in debt and he’s SUCH a special Smurf-hugging Sparkle Pony!
But who will hire him?
His education is not aimed at getting a job.
Remember his ex-girlfriend, who was complaining that she couldn’t find a job of any kind that paid more than – what was it? $2,000 a month?
OH, you mean the one with a “Piled higher & Deeper” degree in Chinese Politics? Gee whiz, that specialty is in high demand these days, ain’t it? I could attend a VoTech school and make a higher income than her or larsie-pinky after graduation as a machinist/ millwright, mechanic, or a pipe welder! Hell, an experienced Plumber or Electrician with a Journeyman’s Card will be in far higher demand and make more money than those snot-nosed over-educated candyassed dweebs!
So this (ahem) person (who is not military if I understand correctly) took issue with this particular sign at a training facility no one but cadets sees yet took no offence to the fact they are called the “Black Knights” in all athletics?
First of all, don’t come in my house and tell me how to hang my art. If cadets have issue, different circumstances.
Second, the difference between this sign and the Black Knights? Is there one?
I wonder when he will become enraged at the mascot being a mule. ‘It [should] offends Republicans because it represents a subliminal connection to the ass mascot of the Democrat party.’. ‘It offends those who may worship mules as Gods and they may put a spell on US’ (sarc)
BTW the Black Knights came to be because they wore black (and gold) uniforms and the knights moniker referred to their strength. It had nothing to do with religion. It was a knickname given to them by media and fans/alumni/etc, not as some right-wing Christian conspiracy. It is a metaphor. Symbolism of something much more simplistic. It only came to be since the 1990s, however, some places trace it back to the 1920s. Either way, nothing to do with religion or God. Neither did this sign.
Knights=strength.
For goodness sake, when will people get their heads out of their butts and realize not everyone does things because of religion. Sometimes, as with languages, words evolve to mean different things such as “gay” or “fags”… Or ” Knights”
They were recently going to change the “Black Knights” to “Cadets” (because that just screams “strength” on par with the “midshipmen”… Who are really all Marines anyway… I digress)… Not sure what ever happened to that.
Thanks for letting me put in my 1¢
-From a civilian fan and former neighbor of the cadets. Go Army! Go Black Knights!
Semper Fi, keep posting.
Thank you.
WELCOME TO TAH CS, come back and see us!!:D
Thank you. I lurk quite often. Getting an education in what the [current/former] boots on the ground who have the real knowledge have to say about things, while not having anything of value to add to the conversation. (It’s *not* creepy if I admit I lurk, right?)
I also get some worthwhile entertainment when some of your esteemed guests show up in need of attention and a tongue lashing. You just can’t find that level of sarcasm and mastery of the English language in many places on the internet.
Besides, one of you sent me here a while ago to “get educated”… I ask a lot of questions. Been lurking since. Best man I never met.
Thanks again for the welcome. Respect.
Sarcasm? Here?
Yeah, from some… real subtle you may have missed it, but I don’t ever recall seeing any from you, sarc.
Good Posting and welcome to almost Hell.
“They were recently going to change the “Black Knights” to “Cadets”
And here I thought they were changing it to Cadetsssss, to meet the current times?
Maybe next they’ll order it changed to “Cadetthh” and tell them to convert the USMA Chapel to a mosque, it wouldn’t surprise me!
Thank you, Msg.
Yes, well, possibly Cadets, cadetettes or maybe cadetesses… Cadetzzzz Or maybe just Cads … Yeah, that would meet the non-gender pc agenda of the day, unless it’s changed as the wind did switch direction recently. I’m sure Navy would like that one, though
Alas, Infidel may be more on target.
Hey Lars a little light fun to lighten the mood up. If you were in an airplane that Dani Bernath was attempting to pilot and the engine cuts out from lake of fuel what do you do?
I sometimes wonder if Lars isn’t the anal spawn of Phildo and Daniel A. Bernath the Fred Phelps clone!
One more for little Larsie boy. My helo squadron in Nam was the UGLY ANGELS with the 8th Vietamese war god as displayed on the tail rotor. The squadron with these in sandbox wars. Never heard of someone being offended. DOn’t get your vagina sore, the unit was disbanded years ago in the downsizing. Joe
Here’s a few more just to keep L. Taylor’s lace panties in a wad:
HMM-165 “White Knights”
HMM-365 “Blue Knights”
114th AHC “Knights of the Air”
187th AHC “Crusaders”
You left out the donut dollies who were sent to VN by the Red Cross.
OH NO!
What about the BLUE ANGELS?
And ….
NO … PLEASE … DON’T …
The DEVIL DOGS ….
Please let me have my bestest Angels and Devils!
Please …….
The 5th Cavalry Regiment has been known official as the Black Knights and had both the Cross of St. John and the Maltese Cross as part of its unit crest for around 100 years. My former battalion used to have a rather large black knight with a “crossed” shield in front of the unit area at Ft. Hood.
FWIW, I think the local unit caved on this as quickly at it did because the unit name wasn’t official sanctioned by the Institute of Heraldry, and the artwork didn’t properly conform to the unit’s authorized crest design and colors (which might have looked much less potentially problematic).
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Catalog/HeraldryMulti.aspx?CategoryId=4616&grp=2&menu=Uniformed%20Services
Thank you for clarifying the 1920s reference to Black Knights (100 yrs). I never realized there was a Regiment by that name as well. Good to know! Thanks!
There’s a difference between a unit’s Distinctive Unit Insignia and what they call themselves.
In many cases, the unit name can be created by unit members and changed by unit members depending on the current times. Even during a deployment, if two units show up that have the same title or would be call sign, one of them usually changes it to prevent confusion.
These guys calling themselves “knights” may very well change to “Bronies” before too long. Though that might be offensive to women, so how about “Gender Neutral Onies”?
This is true. When I first got to Wainwright the Brigade was the Snow Hawks and then it got changed to Arctic Wolves.
Weinstein isn’t interested in not offending muslims, he’s interested in persecuting people for not adhering to his worldview, as revealed by this:
Yes, thoughtcrime must be punished.
What makes it even funnier is that the unit crest in the upper right corner contains what is obviously a cross. I wonder how many regimental insignias and SSI’s in the army include similar imagery?
I assume that eliminating such “offensive” imagery will be Weinstein’s next crusade.
He is interested in not allowing religious zealots to make use the military to pursue their religious agenda.
He is defending the constitutional separation of church and state.
And as usual some of the “patriots” on this board reveal the tyrants they really are and whine that their “rights” violated when they are told they can’t push their religious agenda on the military or turn their units into little Armies of God.
HEY Larsie-pinky the candyass boy, do you know what your Daddy and Sadaam Hussein have in common?
BOTH OF THEM SHOULD HAVE PULLED OUT EARLY!!!
He doesn’t need your words of support, Lars. He needs your money. YOU try to survive on $300k per year. The poor bastard is probably on food stamps. So, make the check large.
By the way, who exactly here claimed that their rights were being violated? I really don’t care to read 179 comments again but I don’t recall that claim. Can you ID them, please, since it is you who say it is so?
I wonder what Lincoln would have said to Weinstein given this:
After the failure of his first experimental explorations around Vicksburg, a committee of abolition war managers waited upon the President and demanded the General’s removal, on the false charge that he was a whiskey drinker, and little better than a common drunkard. “Ah!” exclaimed Honest Old Abe, “you surprise me, gentlemen. But can you tell me where he gets his whiskey?” “We cannot, Mr. President. But why do you desire to know?” “Because, if I can only find out, I will send a barrel of this wonderful whiskey to every general in the army.”
Now you did it. You invoked that Republican, Abraham Lincoln. Now, there was a godless tyrant! There was a hater! The Democrats–ever the caretakers of the oppressed and downtrodden–had their hero, Jefferson Davis, and myriad other slavery proponents. Someday, of course, the progressives will rewrite history entirely and Lincoln will have been a Democrat and Davis a Republican.
Not to mention, they’ll change Nathan Bedford Forrest from a Democrat to a Republican too.
I wonder how much of a hypersensitive little blossom you’d have to be to think that a picture of a knight is somehow part of a “religious agenda?” For all we know the person who painted that sign did a google image search for “Knight” and that’s the first picture that came up.
“Knight” =/= “Crusader.” Brush up on your history, there were knights before the crusades and after.
Just my point below.
The Maltese Cross has nothing to do with Jesus, however it has everything to do with virtues or righteousness.
The Maltese Cross IS the cross of the Templars, adopted by many Knights across the ages (no pun intended) used by many countries and societies.
But what do I know …
Larsy-poo, please show the class where in the Constitution it states “separation of church and state.”?
It doesn’t. Now STFU
Yeah, I guess we can remove the Maltese Cross from the crest of the USS Michael P. Murphy (DDG-112) because it is a cross and originates from the Knights Hospitaller (Knights of Malta).
Good luck with that!
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ddg112/Pages/ShipsCrest.aspx
Oh, let’s not get started on every military unit that makes reference to God.
He might blow out his catheter.
What’s next, are they going to demand that the US Army immediately replace their Weapon Qualification badges with a piss sign because they’re Maltese Crosses? FUCK Weinstein, Lar-BOY and their ilk!
Hey Larsie-pinky-candy-BOY, that’s quite a list of MOS’s you claim to have, how many years did you serve?
Most likely in the Army Reserve. For decades they’ve pushed troops to attend as many MOS schools as possible. Since they used to be 2-4 weeks, leadership in reserve units jumped on troops to attend as many MOS schools as possible. Some reserve folks have 5-7 MOS qualifications.
While they might’ve benefit from attending the school, I’d say most never “performed” those other MOSs.
BTW I guess we’re lucky that the F8 fighter is no longer in the inventory of the US Navy since the nickname for that particular bird was the “Crusader.”
Durandal bombs.
Paladin tanks.
Roland missile system.
All rolled up in one neat little bit of history/legend.
http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/durandal-legendary-sword-roland-002869
I’m curious though. Did the AGM-136 TACIT RAINBOW offend the LGBT community?
Oh and the TOMAHAWK missile.
As well as the AH-64 Apache, Blackhawk, Chinook and Kiowa Scout helicopters?
All of the Army’s helicopters are named after Indian tribes. Even the UH-1 “Huey” was “officially” nicknamed the Iroquois. The OH-6 was the Cayuse. The experimental attack helicopter developed in the early 70’s and ultimately shelved was the “Cheyenne.”
And yet, Native Americans seem to remain puzzlingly un-offended that their names have been appropriated….
Sports teams as well, FSU using “Seminoles” as their mascot has the approval of the Seminole Tribe.
And the experimental stealth chopper of the 90s was the “Comanche”.
I served 20 years under Marine Officers who carried swords that were from a Muslim design.
Never once was I offended by Mameluke swords.
Hmmmmm…..see I didn’t think about that. The ole Mameluke sword. I could have got a commission but I never figured out how to tie that knot. The History of the Mameluke Sword of the United States Marine Corps by James E. McDougall Dating back to the Uniform Regulations of 1826, Marine Corps officers have worn the Mameluke sword in commemoration of 1stLt Presley O’Bannon’s assault on Derna, Tripoli. The distinctive sword traditionally awarded to officers of the U.S. Marine Corps represents one of the most historic events in the early history of this distinguished branch of our Armed Forces and is based on a form of Turkish saber associated with that event. The Marine sword has become known as a Mameluke sword. The name refers primarily to the shape of the hilt that is a form that originated in the Ottoman Empire in about the 17th century. The Islamic sabers of this form were typically mounted with deeply curved blades and are known in Arabic as either shamshir or kilic1 depending on certain features of the blade shape. While the term Mameluke, as we have noted, applies to the hilt, the term is seldom used for the Turkish form hilts in the terminology of arms study. The designation Ottoman hilt is preferred. The Mameluke2 term became affixed colloquially to Turkish sabers of this form not only by American forces, but also by those of England and France during their campaigns in Egypt at the beginning of the 19th century. The magnificent and colorful Mamluk warriors they encountered during these campaigns made a monumental impression on them, especially the beautiful, yet deadly sabers they used with devastating effect. It is important to understand that while the Mamluks were warriors, they were essentially the military ruling class of Egypt and had been since the 13th century. Even more interesting is the fact that, by tradition, they consisted predominantly of young boys who were purchased in either Turkey or the Caucusus specifically for military service. The Arabic term Mamluk actually means “slave,” and these boys were essentially freedmen who officered the military, and… Read more »
Bottom line, Lars, is that you and the rest of these fucking clowns are butthurt pussies who need to get a fucking life.
Take a knee, have a Motrin, some water, clean out your mangina, and cowboy the fuck up.
CORRECTION:
I believe you meant to say ‘MYDOL’ vise ‘MOTRIN’.
Midol or Pamprin… either one would be effective
Well, methinks that there could be a “side issue” to this. With Mikey and his atheist army on the loose, making sure American is safe for political correctness, I guess soon we will see the end of unarmed Dustoff helicopters because they have (gasp) red crosses on the doors. Oh wait…as you were. Arming our Dustoff birds may make our enemies feel nervous and unsafe. We can’t have that.
I hope Trump is taking down names so he can personally kick these shitbags out that bend right over to appease our enemies when he wins next years. Our military leadership is deplorable ass clowns just like how Islamist terror in chief likes it.
Gen. Peaches 2016. Write in!
Economics major/professor. Military General. Um… No brainer.
That’s my vote anyway.
So, I will round this discussion up and put a bow on it.
Knights and the Cross of Christ have no connection.
The cross is generally the Maltese cross which is not a religious symbol.
The Templars that were born of the Crusades used the Maltese cross.
The Knights Templars began their slow demise in France by way of torture.
By the time the inquisitions came to Ireland, the Irish trick fuchted each court (the most famous held in St. Patrick’s outside the gates of Dublin). The Irish have a gift, no one was tortured in Ireland.
So from Hawaii to Ireland we have traveled today.
Here is today’s weather in Ireland:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfv1cUFAug
I have seldom seen anyone waste as much time, air and space as lars taylor, the perturbable and self-admitted DUMBUNNY… and all to get some attention.
Glad to announce here that my furnace is now fixed and running properly, and only cost a leg down and a toe a week.
From a purely pragmatic point of view, the main reason to keep using and even expand the use of cross imagery is the reason foolishly cited not to do so. “It will only piss them off!” Good! They want us dead, enslaved, or converted to their perverted beliefs. Many of them prefer the first two, and their proposed civilization would depend heavily on #2. Nothing we do, or refrain from doing, will make one bit of difference to them, other than perhaps in target prioritization. If someone is tempted to bow down and submit, even a little, rest assured, you will be told you have done it the wrong way, slave. They do not think like we do, and to insist that they do is bigotry of the first order. If you read the stuff from which they derive their beliefs and plans, they are remarkably consistent and predictable. It is only when we insist on treating them like disgruntled Western leftists that things rapidly go off the rails. They are not, never have been, and never will be thinking the way you want them to, instead of the way they have conditioned themselves to do so, for a very, very long time. How incredibly ignorant to think that we are all the same, when we who comment on this web site prove right here just how very different we all are. So back to the cross imagery. Use it. Use it everywhere. Show Porky Pig and King Kong wearing Crusader attire and chucking ham and bacon at the enemy. Piss them off, through deliberate action. Mock them. Rob them of their belief that we are cowed, or even cow-able. When they attack, grind them into paste. Leave them alone when they leave us alone, or keep breaking what they value until they get tired of screwing with us. They are not “terrorists”. They are just another bunch of tyrannical slaving assholes. We beat the Third Reich and Imperial Japan -simultaneously-, then held off the Soviets until their dumb ass ideas ate them from the inside out. So there is… Read more »
Those who cower and call for “tolerance” are little more than what Mao and Lenin referred to as “Useful Idiots”!
They’re referred to in areas under Islamic law (Sharia) as “dhimmi”.
Can we say “dhimmwits”?
If I recall correctly, a large number of people who were ‘submissive’ to an enemy are buried in mass graves in Siberia, some of which are still being uncovered. And then there’s that whole ‘submission’ thing in Cambodia with Pol Pot. And I could bring up the death camps set up by the Nazis, couldn’t I?
What was that old Cold War saying? ‘Better dead than Red’. That was it.
Must I invoke Hiram Mann?
I’d rather invoke Samuel Adams:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
HEY LARSIE-pinky-candy-boy, TELL US just how many overseas tours you’ve done as well as how many years you’ve served. I did three years AD Army and came back in after a NINE YEAR break in service during which I did TWO ME tours. I’ve made it in both Military and civilian life, I’ve been to lots of places and done things in both lives, and I as well as the rest of the TAH regulars think YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT, child! Here’s to you, o candyassed thin-skinned limp-wristed roach shit of a halfassed pissant:
Sorry to stifle the discussion!
Any mil units with ‘ghosts’ in the name?
Think about that … Yeah!
Oh, wait one ….
Uncomfortable adjectives …
Any units with numbers?
Colors?
‘THE BIG RED ONE’
Unit crests or names that might be offensive and may require one to retreat to a safe space (on base) …
Get back to me with your reports!
WTF,WTF NOW, OVER? Are the booger-eating PC snot-heads going to demand that the US Army change the Unit Insignia for the 2nd ID, make them replace the Indian Head logo with say, a Smurf or Sparkle pony because it “offends” thin-skinned rainbow flag-carrying poodle turds like weeniestein or larsie-pinky-candy-boy?
Perhaps we could just have a white square for all units? That shouldn’t offend anybody.
Why’s it gotta be white?
hater
microaggression
oppressor
This is just the thread that keeps on giving. It’s a pip.
Jonn is sitting back with a cigar and sipping rum (reading this jibberish) nodding his head in agreement and disgust or some where in between.
Sometimes I think he just nods off into a slumber while cleaning his guns.
Could be. I’m thinking cleaning his Lapuda .338 gets him so . . . excited that he faints from lack of blood available for the rest of the body. (smile)
Hey, Larsy-boy. Will you and yours protest Islamic iconography and the use of government resources to project the Muslim call to prayer? You know, like they did in Los Angeles for the first day of Ramadan. Why didn’t the FFRF file lawsuit against the mosque or city over that?
As soon as I saw this thread had 244 comments I knew uber-troll Laaaaaaaaars was on the case. Snoozers.
It’s a telltale sign at this point. Anytime a thread goes over 100 posts, Lars has been there.
On a far more important note (is this against the rules here since this isn’t related to the thread at hand?), police in France are apparently currently in a shoot-out with two of the assholes from the attacks, including the alleged mastermind:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-police-hunt-ninth-suspect-as-germany-on-alert-after-hanover-bomb-threat-live
Change the cross on the knight’s armor to resemble the 8th TSC crest in the upper right corner of the sign (which is recognized by the army as a unit crest). Then nobody can complain because knights killed u-ro-peeins too (knight symbology can’t be linked only to the crusades). Now, everybody feel better? Problem solved, problem staying solved.
How about changing it to a fleur-de-lis with 3 stars above it? Simple, easy to draw, no denomination at all.
Nah, just paint over it a Hello Kitty so that no one is offended.
Though, I’m concerned that according to reports from the creator of Hello Kitty, that Hello Kitty is not actually a Kitty.
My new way of doing things: Every time Lars makes a comment, I am going to click on an ad link. Feel free to join me. I’m sure Jonn will spend the money wisely.
Well, I can’t resist. Lars, you say it isn’t our Army, it is the US Army. Well, boyo, as US Taxpayers, it is our Army and everything else that .gov makes us pay for. As for offending the precious religion of peace, we painted big ol’ hogs on the turrets of our Bradleys in 2004 just because. OUT
I get it, all you guys love bacon!
Bacon makes everything better …
How come only minority/ special interest/ foreign speaking/cross-dressing/under performi people are given the “right” to be offended?
Hey, Jonn – should’t Mikey’s last name be spelled “Whinestein”?
One more thing for Mikey Whinetit and Lars:
My unit emblem and patch, that was created with the overwhelming approval of both our Company Commander and Battalion Commander featured a skull with a cobra snaking through it and the motto “Vipers Strike to Kill”. Even the evangelicals in the unit weren’t upset by the visual or verbal, because we weren’t some whiney-assed, latte sipping beta males. We were meat eaters. Our cadence during PT runs was another spot where those of tender heart didn’t think twice about what was being said. Today, those words would have people like Lars and Mikey grabbing their chest and fainting.
If you want “feel good” unoffending beta male bullshit; join the girl scouts. No one gives a shit about the fucking sign, outside of limp wristed leftists, who, like many muslims, are perpetually offended and looking for any reason to cry like a bitch.
And along with that, limp-wristed snot-nosed candyassed whiny-bitch $7-a-cup latte sippers like him can STAY in locales like Berserkely, San Foo-foo or Chicago, we don’t need or want them migrating and infesting other locations, they’re not unlike a parasitic infection!
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