Musa al-Gharbi: US troops as bad as ISIS
There’s this fellow, Musa al-Gharbi, who happens to be what he calls a “research fellow” at the Southwest Initiative for the Study of Middle East Conflicts, he’s also an instructor at the University of Arizona’s Department of Government and Public Service, his alma mater.
al-Gharbi wrote a piece in that misnamed anti-war, anti-US website for stank-ass hippies called “Truthout“. Mr. al-Gharbi writes a comparison of US troops to the thugs in ISIS, of course, he arrives at the conclusion that US troops are no worse.
He uses links to popular culture sources to support his contention. For example in this paragraph;
However, over the course of that war, and the subsequent 2003 war in Iraq, US soldiers and contractors repeatedly used rape as a weapon of war, both against prisoners and the local civilian population. But perhaps more disturbing than the crimes committed by US personnel against Iraqis and Afghans were the atrocities committed by servicemen against their fellow soldiers.
To support that paragraph, al-Gharbi links to an Asian Tribune article that was supposed to provide pictures of US soldiers raping an Iraqi woman but was later proven to be screenshots of a staged porn movie. Really, really weak research for a research fellow.
He goes on and on pointing out the Abu Gahraib thing, the “Kill Team”, the old one-in-three women in the military are raped canard. He uses the “urination Marines”, the old LA Times photos of troops mugging with body parts from suicide bombers. He also claims that Obama is waging a war against Islam, that white Christian Americans are on a another Crusade. Yeah, we;re doing a pretty poor job of even doing that in this country. All of which resulted in people doing time or in some way being punished, but with nothing other than his words, he claims that there are many more incidents which aren’t prosecuted.
All of that is to support his vacuous point. Which I guess is that we should just let ISIS have their way and establish a caliphate for him and his pals to splash around in and play jihadist.
I’d point out that al-Gharbi also wrote a piece in al-Jazeera that blames Israel for starting this last war between Hamas and Israel, so his head isn’t screwed on real tight. He’s kind of single-mindedly anti-West and he’s protected by academia.
Category: Terror War
Kind of makes you wonder who is funding his fellowship.
None of the things that this knob gobbler listed even come close to lining up civilians and executing them.
If that fucker isn’t on the terror watch list then it should be now.
Wonder if that photo is him looking longingly at a goat or a chai boy?
Gotta be the Chai boy based on that look.
Rusty power tools. Prickly fruit. Fornication. East/West axis.
The comments that follow the article are great, much better than the ISIS apologist’s piece.
Typical academic shitbag.
He works for one of our Universities? He needs to lose his job. Now.
After he apologizes publically.
IMO, this tool needs an ocotillo enema.
Figuratively speaking, of course.
This dingleberry is the poster child for all that’s wrong with US higher education. IMO.
“We do not murder the enemy, we kill him.”
From a great movie, but true. Comparing soldiers who go halfway across the globe to liberate a people from their dictator with no thought of personal enrichment to f’in murdering animals is a blatant falsehood. Its like comparing men who push old ladies under a bus to those who push innocents out of harms way both as thugs who “push old ladies around”.
“All the replacements to this outfit get killed or wounded – except you guys. They call you the Four Horsemen. You think I’m gonna get it?”
“So what makes you special?”
Fuller was a 1st INF vet from WWII.
This country is screwed.
You’ve gotta be kidding me.
The incidents of brutality on the part of American forces are always isolated, always treated very seriously, and few and far between.
ISIS forces consistently afflict genocides and inhumane horrors on anyone that isn’t them on a regular basis, and are awarded for it. These events are common, and are never isolated; the whole of the group does it.
Dumbass, do your research before you start running your mouth. Spend a week in an Army base, then spend a week in an ISIS camp. Assuming you survive the latter, maybe you’ll piece it together.
He doesn’t have tha balls to do that. All he has to do now is smugly libel and slander US Military Personnel before he gloats in some faculty lounge while having sexual fantasies about goats & sheep!
You’re such a stinking liar and you know it. Haditha, Abu Ghraib (small potatoes IMO), Mahmudiyah and every other act of American soldier murderous degeneracy went un-investigated–UNINVESTIGATED YOU LIAR!–until some “treasonous liberal media” reporter exposed it.
Also, look up the Mukaradeeb wedding massacre which has never been investigated and which was featured in the 2006 Turkish movie Valley of the Wolves that neocons whined about for being “anti-American propaganda” even though it showed only real incidents far more gruesome than the ones most Americans know about.
And Collateral Murder was the final nail in the coffin. The American soldier is not your typical Western soldier with WESTERN standards of conduct. He’s a Third World type soldier, with many comrades who are OPEN and BOASTFUL killers and rapist and bigots just like the Russians in Chechnya, and with the same humanitarian results.
The people in the south of Iraq were very lucky to be occupied by civilized British soldiers and not bloodthirsty child-killing Yankee barbarians who grew up with a gun fetish.
I guess you’re one of Noam Chomsky’s students there at MIT, huh?
So how long did it take them to brainwash you over there on the campus?
So do you think much or just repeat idiotic drivel you’ve been indoctrinated with?
Given that all 3 of you idiots could muster nothing more than an empty retort-free insult each, I take it you accept the charge that the US military has “Turd World” standards of military conduct and does a lot of corner-cutting when it comes to military ethics.
Why are the “locals” always overwhelmed with hatred for American soldiers while (relatively) tolerating the British? Maybe, just maybe, “personal responsibility” should come into play here? Maybe British soldiers conduct themselves better and more patiently, while Americans go hog-wild on local “hajis” then wonder why they all hate them across the local cultural spectrum? Maybe British soldiers EARNED IT, through PATIENCE, while the Chris Kyles of the world were all about relishing in racist mass-murder? (go to the book, not the movie)
Just out of curiousity…how many people do you know who are in the military?
Evasion noted
I can have an opinion on keeping bees, but the truth is, I’m terrified of bees and have never been near a bee hive. My opinion could be either good or bad, but it would not be based in actual experience.
You’re damn near hysterical in your opinion of US troops. I was just wondering if you ever have had any contact with any of them.
I guess Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale didn’t get your memo about relative tolerance. They’re the Muslims who hacked to death an unarmed British soldier, Lee Rigby, two years ago. And why “3 of you idiots” rather than all? Please include me if you haven’t done so. Many thanks, pal.
Evasion noted
Evasion noted? You’re a pip. Thanks for the laughs. I’m sorry that I wasn’t here when your December 22nd comment was fresh. I didn’t get a chance to wish you a very merry Christmas. Hey, better late than never, right pal?
As for the Muslims, their reaction to the horrific Paris massacre has been by and large classy and tasteful. When Collateral Murder, Haditha, and every other massacre occured, from the soldiers we saw nothing but universal sympathy and support for the killers and zero compassion for the murdered civilians.
The only exceptions are the gratuitous cases, namely the one that involved rape (can’t bullshit about that, unlike murder) and Robert Bales who made the mistake of going back to the base then going to commit a SECOND massacre.
If recent history is any guide, Robert Bales would be 100% free and 100% anonymous today if he had stopped after massacring the first house. It would have been swept under the rug and forgotten forever just like the Mukaradeeb wedding massacre (check wikipedia)
I’m sorry that some civilians were murdered. There. Feel better now, pal? Does that make it all better or are you fantasizing about blowing up people in retaliation. If so, try Twitter and Facebook. You can make some really good contacts there, I hear.
Wow, aren’t you the “enlightened one”. had you been around Military Personnel during the entire Abu Ghraib debacle, you would have seen the condemnation of what those soldiers did. They were out of control, lacked any discipline or leadership, and were and still are an embarrasment to the US Army.
Regarding Bales, STFU. You have no idea what would have or would not have happened. So go back and play with yourself as you stare at pictures of your hero Bradley Manning.
I don’t accept that we have low standards and ethics for our military. Quite to the contrary I’ve seen incredibly high morals, standards and ethics from virtually every member of the U.S. military I’ve encountered, worked with or had work for me. During my deployments the locals were typically very happy to see us and we always had good relations with the majority of them. I’m not sure if you’ve ever deployed, I doubt you have, or ever worked with the U.S. military which again I doubt you have. Yes we kill people, that’s what we do and we do it very well and more often than not very deservedly. Occasionally innocent people get killed, that’s war. It’s easy to sit back and spout silly shit like you do when you have no experience or any idea what being in a war zone is like. Yes we have some bad apples but then again so does every sector of society. What I choose not to do is focus on only the bad ones and the publicized instances like you. Also I don’t speak in absolutes as you do and pretend to know what I am talking about when I haven’t the foggiest clue.
Take the bloody goat tampon out of your mouth, you’re mumbling.
That’ not exactly true. The 15-6 had been completed by the Army before the New York Times got a whiff of the story about Abu Garaib. Same with the “Kill Team” story. As well as the Haditha incident with the Marine Corps. Just because YOU hadn’t heard the stories is irrelevant. Of course, you don’t think an investigation is complete until the stank-ass hippies have tried the case in the court of public opinion. But that’s not reality, is it?
And, oh, the reason that no one has been convicted in the “Collateral Murder” case, as you call it, is because there was no crime. People who point RPGs at American troops get killed, along with anyone who is hanging around them at the time.
Are we keeping this thread going?
CivviiChode might just come back with friends (if he has any).
I think we’ve scared CockCatcher off. He’s probably hanging out at a bus stop right now getting beat up by a bunch of 3rd graders.
If that’s the case, I hope they made him lick a piece of white dog poop like in the beginning of “Stepbrothers”!
On behalf of the State of Arizona, I’d like to formally apologize for this… this… fuckstick’s existence.
Well Musa al-Gharbi can just go f**k himself! If Yasser Arafat had a son…he’d look like this clown.
American troops as bad as ISIS?
No.
We be BADDER!!!!!
Instead, one whistleblower who initially exposed these crimes, Chelsea Manning, has been sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Well that sentence reveals the writer’s unique perspective rather clearly I would say. Sympathy for the traitor among us indicates the traitorous nature of the writer as well.
As far as moral high ground, that’s a nice term for whatever purpose one side or another needs it I guess.
Truth be told the middle east is a shithole with people being mistreated by our allies there and our enemies there every day. Nothing we do changes that, the best approach is to contain the shithole within its own borders and limit the capacity for damage on our shores. If that means killing every man, woman, and child in the ME I don’t really give a flying fuck about their lives at all.
If the deaths of a million Iraqis keeps 3,000 American lives safe in their buildings at work from airliners what’s there to discuss? In a clash of this nature, of culture against culture one side must die and one side must live.
If we had this concern when we killed our neanderthal brethren, homo sapiens would be extinct and we would be discussing our prominent brows and angled foreheads as a means of attraction.
Bad, good, immoral, moral, innocent, guilty all meaningless blather when cultures conflict. The Japanese thought us immoral weaklings deserving no consideration when captured, had we been concerned about killing their women and children their rising sun flag would fly over the emperor’s palace on 1600 PA Avenue today. When the middle east unconditionally surrenders its murderous anti American ways to our culture, then we can concern ourselves about the right thing to do with the survivors and how to assimilate their culture into the future, until then who fucking cares how many of them die in their struggle to annihilate our culture? I know I don’t give a shit if they stack their dead bodies like cordwood.
Fuck them and the turd who wrote this article.
I’d like to see you reply to what I wrote you racist redneck piece of shit.
In other words, “Yes! Yes! I demand a response! I took hours to formulate and present my case to you infidels against American troops and I will have my responses from you! I demand it!”
Fuck off, bub.
VOV?? ‘Racist redneck’?!
Stop. Hurt. Sides. Laughing.
If things are so peachy over there, why are you here?
I’m thinking that you’re all upset because someone stole your goat.
So you’re a college dropout, can’t get a job and mom wants you out her basement. To make yourself feel better, you revive a dead thread and try to stir up shit.
Pretty much sums it up I think.
But we really don’t give a shit about your feelings or thoughts. We’re just enjoying a good laugh at your expense.
Oh, Jeezus. I’m actually hoping VOV takes the time to deconstruct your bullshit.
On a side note, “racist piece of shit” very aptly describes a vast number of the “fine individuals” fighting in the name of the “Religion of Peace.” Just look at how nice they are (/sarc) to ethnic Turks, Kurds, Chaldeans, and their fellow Arabs who happen to be part of the wrong tribe. And that’s just to name a few.
What’s the matter little shit-for-brains? I’m assuming your Mommy caught you using poopy language on the internet so mow you have to go to bed without your favorite Care Bear or a warm enema. Life’s a bitch, ain’t it? Huh, my precious little pampered, sheltered little candyassed tinsel-farting creampuff of a Sparkle Pony? You’re one mouthy little booger-eating bedwetter!
VOV – I have had reason to disagree with you in the past, never enough to motivate me to actually do so in a post, but disagree I have.
Today, I wholeheartedly applaud your comment. You sir, win the Internets today.
Thanks for putting it so well. I couldn’t agree more.
Yep, we are just like the ISIS fuckers. If you disagree with us, we will cut off your head slowly and deliberatley. This is after you are tortured for months in a stinking rotten cell with no rights or potential for due process.
When will idiots like this realize that the sacrifices of those in the military, combined with the work of those in the press and even our elected government is what gives them the right to speak out against…well, anything? If he was in Syria or Iraq he would be less one cabesa right now…
That clown Civilian Chauvinist is a hoot. He says what he wants and demands that each of his zany points be addressed. He’s a little nut job, probably sitting in a public bathroom with a whole lot of stink and a laptop, pontificating about the injustices done to the peasants in Muslimville. What a character.
Is there a gofundme page up yet so that we can furnish him a one way ticket to Syria? I’m in for $10. I’ll kick in an extra $5 since he called VOV a redneck. Dude is must be a profiler or something.
It was not “points” but only one point–how come every single massacre is first swept under the rug? Why can’t we judge this specific institution if we observe an unbroken trend of cover-up for murder?
Why did the media have to force their hand? Again: Haditha, Mukaradeeb, Ishaqi, the kill team, collateral murder, Nissour square. In each case the MO was the same: deny deny deny, until some troublesome liberal metrosexual journalist blows the lid. Where am I wrong?
Erik Prince was recently on Fox News defending the Blackwater massacre of 2007 and he said “if these were uniformed soldiers this would have never gone to court.”
Recently you guys in the military decided that Frank Wuterich (of Haditha infamy) is a swell guy who doesn’t deserve to spend a single night in jail. I’ll quote from the article:
“Brian Rooney, an attorney for another former defendant, said cases like Haditha are difficult to prosecute because a military jury is unlikely to question decisions made in combat unless wrongdoing is clear-cut and egregious, like rape.”
But you’ll keep dodging this one single point, and go back to your attempts at character-analysis of the person asking.
“But you’ll keep dodging this one single point, and go back to your attempts at character-analysis of the person asking”. We can’t character-analyze something that you don’t have, junior. Go back to your Urban Studies class and tell the other stank-ass hippies that you’re not getting any respect at TAH.
Ah, I get it now. You’re stuck on this “denial” thing.
Look dude, just because your parents have denied your existence since birth, that doesn’t mean you have to stay all butt-hurt your whole life.
How come you’re intentionally ignoring every single massacre that ISIL/IS has engaged in, including those by Boko Haram, which continue now and are being repeatedly ignored by media moguls?
Must I bring up the most recent burnings in Nigeria, or does that not fit in with your agenda for today?
Why are you not attacking AQAP as well as ISIL/IS for their rampages through various parts of Africa and the Middle East? Have you forgotten the destruction of Timbuktu by the nutballs who burned carefully guarded antique books and destroyed a tomb that held the remains of 100 Muslim saints?
Or is that just too off the margins of your notes for an inept and inane response of any kind?
Ex-PH2,
How can you guys go from “we American soldiers are the finest humans to ever exist” to “if you think we’re bad, check out this Third World terrorist gang”?
I compared you to British soldiers, who are the closest to you in culture, legal system, and overseas military engagements. And you don’t look pretty.
That’s almost funny, numbnuts.
Ask somebody who lived in North Ireland in the 70s or 80s how wonderful the British Army is. When 10 or 20% of the people you kill in combat are civilians (the worst you’d ever see from US or UK forces in Iraq or Afghanistan), it’s a tragedy that’s pretty unavoidable when engaging irregular forces who deliberately use civilians as human shields in defiance of international law. When 50% of the people you kill in combat operations are noncombatant civilians (as was the case with the British Army during The Troubles, according to their own official sources), you’re clearly not even trying.
Inadmissible.
I asked you direct questions, you mordant dribble. You attacked US military for violence. I asked you specific and direct questions regarding far more violent and horrendous behavior by extremists.
You did not answer my questions. Deflection is not a response. Answer the questions or go back to your booth in study hall.
The US military conducts itself better than ISIS…and worse than every other military of a developed country.
You’re not just better than ISIS, you’re also better than the Russians in Chechnya, the Indonesians in East Timor, and the Japanese in Manchuria.
But as soon as you’re compared to your peers, it looks bad.
Yeah I guess that’s why militaries from all over the world send their troops to the U.S. TO TRAIN WITH the U.S. military. Your argument is invalid. Now don’t go away mad, just go away.
Again, you avoid answering my direct questions.
What peers?
The current North Korean army? Nice marching style, never been in a conflict in their lives. Pretty toy soldiers all lined up in review.
The Australians? They’re a LOT nastier than US troops ever thought of being, you moon-eyed ninnyhammer.
The Johnny Crapauds? Hell, they almost make the AQs look civilized, you ignorant slut.
You have nothing to go on. The Japanese in Manchuria? 1930s? OH! Well, then why not include the Rape of Nanking in that litany?
Or perhaps we could spend some time discussing Stalin’s gulags in Siberia and the mass graves that are coming to light.
Australian soldiers are “worse”? Against CIVILIANS specifically? I repeat, against CIVILIANS?
Did they do anything like you did in Fallujah massacring huge parts of the civilian population, using uranium bombs that resulted in a surge of birth defects that continues today (once again, FOR SHAME!), using tactics that horrified the British commanders who were fighting alongside the Americans?
IIRC, an Australian special forces soldier entered an Afghan home and accidentally shot dead several members of the family. Unlike the typical American soldier, he was so devastated with guilt he CHOSE to go to the media, reveal his identity, and express his sorrow and shame.
You keep saying “if you think we’re bad, you should see Brits/Australians”–well, where are their massacres?
I was in Fallujah shitheel, you’re talking out your ass.
What did you do when they told you shoot every male from 15 to 55?
Every military aged male *WITH A RIFLE. Interesting how you left that out. Cherry picking just makes you look like an idiot.
Hopefully he pulled the trigger.
Newsflash, cc a12yo can shoot you dead or behead you same as a 30yo.US troops have always gone out of their way to protect and take care of the kids where we are fighting . Joe
‘They’?
Who is this ‘they’ you refer to, CChub? Your mommy and daddy?
Ok, I was a WMD guy. What the hell is a uranium bomb?
Oh, so you were there, CC, and you saw it all yourself?
Prove it.
And yes, the Oz can be a LOT worse than US troops. You know NOTHING, you pointy-eared, squalid hedgepig. NOTHING.
He’s reading certain parts of the internet, so it must be true…
I’m wondering when this little turd bucket is going to figure out he is not in control here. Given his inability to form an original thought and just spew lefty libtard talking points and baseless rhetoric, I’m guessing never.
CChauv seems ALMOST as clueless, idiotic, and imbecilic as Daniel A. Bernath, DallASS Wittgenfeld, and Paul/Psulmer Wickre to name a few, THEY CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH, they’re idiots and imbeciles!!
He just thinks he’s smarter than everyone else in the world and particularly everyone here, because he can spell and is allowed to use words like ‘chauvinist’, when he doesn’t know what they really mean.
What is this effer even doing in our country ????
I wish he WAS correct about our being on another Crusade against the Islamists. But no chance of that, given our clueless CINC.
I’m from here you stupid fuck. Views like mine aren’t that unusual–the whole country is not the South. George Carlin said Southerners “have too much respect for authority, they’re soldier-sniffers and cop-lovers.”
In the blue states we have freedom of thought. The South is like North Korea, where the military is totally sacred, its critics are violently smashed, and civilian industry is viewed with contempt.
“In the blue states we have freedom of thought.” As long as you agree with everyone else. Doesn’t sound as free as one might think.
Can’t just one of you acknowledge the basic truth that it’s standard US military policy to cover-up crimes until embarrassed by the media into taking action? (and then they look for any reason to drop the case) And if you can’t, then at least deny it head-on instead of go off onto some other topic only tangentially relevant?
No. I’d rather stand behind the truth.
Haditha: (not a single soldier punished)
“Among the images, there is a young boy with a picture of a helicopter on his pajamas, slumped over, his face and head covered in blood. There is a mother lying on a bed, arms splayed, the bodies of three young children huddled against her right side. There are men with gaping head wounds, and a woman and a child hunkered down on their knees, their hands frozen around their faces as if permanently bracing for an attack.”
FOR SHAME!
Sounds like East St Louis to me.
So what are trying to say there Hamslice? That you can’t have a thought of your own and have to resort to quotes from the Islamic version of the Enquirer?
You make us chuckle-thanks for dropping in.
Cambodia: Under Pol Pot’s rule, more than 2 million Cambodian citizens are slaughtered by Khmer Rouge and the children they recruited.
Try again.
Looks like his research skills are as shitty as the hack’s in the article. One in same person maybe?
If you want images look up the 1988 chemical attack on Halabja Iraq. No we’re not as bad as ISIS or as bad as you so desperately want to believe.
I asked you several questions, you onion-eyed clot.
Answer them.
Newsflash dickwrinkle: You’re still not in control. 😉
I wasn’t talking about you CC… I was talking about the professor.
Little paranoid, are ‘ya?
Now go away, profane little man. You, your pseudo-intellectualism, and leftist drivel just bore me.
Freedom of Thought. In Bloomberg country.
This little fuck DOES have a sense of humor.
The southern United States is not like North Korea you ignorant little twat. There are plenty of areas in Houston and Dallas where your views are neither original nor extreme. Then there’s Austin which has plenty of you dumb fucks ruining it. Funny how your type always talks tough until someone offers to fight, and then somehow we all misinterpreted what you said. :-/
BTW I said fight, because that’s all your dumbass rhetoric leaves on the table. The point you’re so underwhelmingly trying to prove is so far past the realm of reality, that it deserves no logical argument. So please go find a Veteran and start spouting the complete asinine bullshit with all the spittle drenching rage accompanying it that your posts have and see how far you get.
“WE”? Who is ‘we’? You got a mouse in your pocket? Or is that ‘we’ in the sense of the royal ‘we’?
Nope, wrong, completely ignorant. I’m a life long resident of the South and we are nothing like North Korea. You’re not a chauvinist; you’re a dumb ass who wants to speak in absolutes and play to left wing stereotypes. Oh and by the way; go fuck yourself. Turd
CC , You never answered the question about your military service or lack of it. How can we put value to opinion without any real life experience ? Repeating what others have told yu from their bais is not fact. Joe
So, the one who demands responses harbors great hatred for the American military and the southern states. That, anyway, is what I have thus far gleaned from his scrawl. I do note, too, that having been rebuffed earlier by all, he returned with a hint of attitude change, and then reverted to form and blew it all to hell. He is good for a chuckle, I’ll give him that. I hope he keeps coming back. We need a new mascot now that VWP is apparently on lock-down mode in the asylum.
Well, at least this one can spell a few difficult words, even if he doesn’t use them correctly, AirCav.
Only by copy and paste…
Good point.
Spell check
2/17 Air Cav you can choose to believe what you want but my vitriol is reserved solely for those soldiers with the attitude problem. The ones who were filled with hatred for Iraqis, even the ones who felt the need to humiliate and kick the corpse of their dead victims when they were mere insurgents and not civilian-targeting terrorists.
Soldiers who take themselves out of the politics and avoid making the type of bloodcurdling, callous statements Chris Kyle made face no animosity from me. But I see too many of them on Fox News and in military.com engage in genocidal loose-talk that makes you think the ISIS comparison is hardly blasphemous, and that makes all of those war crimes we saw make perfect sense when you assess the culture within the military.
Vitriol? That word doesn’t mean what you think it does, slacker, and again, you’ve used another perfectly good and expressive English word incorrectly.
Oxford Unabridged should smack you for it.
I heard American Sniper has been nominated for six Academy Awards. Must be as good as the book. Rest easy Chief Kyle.
*Including best picture. Now I gotta go see it.
Except they can’t portray what Chris Kyle was like and let the audience judge. They had to make him semi-human and remotely conflicted about *some* of the individuals he killed, instead of a remorseless ghoulish Southern savage who lives & breathes murder.
The world is a better place with people like that “dispatched” as he put it.
REALLY? what about your heroes, the goat-molesting mass murderers who wantonly rape, pillage, and kill as they please, then run as soon as they face an opponent willing to fight?
I don’t have heroes. Heroes are for chumps like you.
Oh, really?
And what Boko Haram has done this last week in Nigeria in the state of Borno, burning entire towns to the ground, killing dozens of people, and destroying everything in their path is just fine with you, I take it?
What an unbelievable hypocrite you are, CC.
You reek of know-it-all vanity, of smug and unwarranted self-importance. I would just LOVE to drop your idiotic little smartass off in the middle of Boko Haram country, or right smack dab in the midst of one of those sweeps by ISIL/IS when they’re decaptitating people by the dozens.
What he was like? Did you know him personally? Did you ever meet him? I didn’t know him myself, but I know some folks who knew Chief Kyle very well. None of them ever had anything bad to say about him. Maybe you’re the one who lacks a frame of reference about who he really was and what he was really like.
So what? In the Old South a lot of lynchers were respected in their community, seen as polite, family men, etc.
It wasn’t that they were violent sociopaths, it’s that they came from a society that approves violence against innocent non-whites. In today’s South the Iraqi is not a human with human worth, and the people around Kyle would have never judged him harshly if he shot up a Baghdad orphanage.
Clearly you’re assuming again. You apparently assume that I’m from the South (Texas is not part of the South, BTW, as any Texan or Southron will tell you). I’m born, raised, and currently residing in San Diego (as in SoCal, dickweed).
The people I’ve heard speak highly of Chief Kyle around here are Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian. They range from conservative NRA members to people who voted for Obama twice and admit it. There’s a pretty sizeable Middle Eastern population around here. The Arabs don’t seem to mind him. The Kurds and Chaldeans will tell you that he’s a hero. All of these groups fit in pretty well around here. We don’t “approve of violence against non-whites” as you say. In fact, that kind of attitude will get you several immediate ass-kickings around here. As for myself, yeah, I’m White, specifically German-Irish. My wife is Cambodian. I have brothers-in-law who are Black, Filipino, and Armenian. I have a sister-in-law who’s Vietnamese. I’m Catholic, my wife is Protestant, my in-laws are Buddhist, and I have a cousin who’s a practicing Moslem. And we’re a very tight family, and I would kill and/or die for any and all of them. So hopefully you can see why your reply, your assumptions, and your self-righteousness do not earn my respect.
Good for you. Chris Kyle was no such person, made clear that he disdained every single Iraqi he’s come across (even ones risking their lives cooperating with the hated occupier), and showed some signs of being a classic anti-black racist as well. You can try and perfume this turd all you want, but all it takes is reading some of the movie reviews to see that even the biggest soldier dick-riders had trouble getting past his statements.
No less a militaristic nutjob than Bill O’Reilly was taken aback by his callous comments during their interview.
So this was really all about attacking Chris Kyle, a total stranger to you, after all, wasn’t it?
You are such a blatant phony bastard, CC.
Well, an awful lot of people around here, including many of those against whom you insist he was racist, don’t share your opinion based on their personal experience with the man. I trust you’ll understand if I find them to be more credible than you.
I think I know who you are. I think you are scufface. Your ranks of lies and total fabrication are just like him.Your parents need to demand a refund of your tution fees. Were you in the military or rejected by all branches? Joe
You are Jessie Janos or a troll of his following. Joe
He’s too literate for Janos. May be one of his suckups.
This doofus has been here before. I thought of him then as “South Basher.” Don’t remember what name he used, but I’d bet it’s him.
Wow. You sure are good at NOT answering questions, CC.
What the bloody hell do you know about Iraqis, anyway? And who died and made you the sole authority and goto guy on Iraq?
Perhaps you should visit one of the villages overrun by ISIL/IS and visit the graves of Iraqis, men, women and children whom they slaughtered by the thousands. Or have you conveniently ignored the photos of bodies of children with their heads missing?
He’s attacking Chris Kyle like Daniel A. Bernath slanders Real Vets. I wonder if Civvy chauvy isn’t kin to Daniel A. Bernath?
Through all his interviews and his book he never presented himself as anything but human. Very well spoken, humble human being who saved countless lives on the battlefield.
I have to disagree. I found his statements extremely disturbing. And I’m not holding anyone to some unrealistically hippie-ish standard.
Marcus Luttrell doesn’t particularly disturb or offend me, for example. I do wonder why he feels the need to kill rather than handcuff suspicious-acting civilians, but people like Chris Kyle seem to go out of their way to horrify civilized people with the most obscene statements.
Well maybe you shouldn’t be so sensitive. Besides the only thing you’ve demonstrated tonight, clearly, is you have no idea what you’re talking about.
So unless I tolerate genocidal loose talk I’m being a sensitive little pansy? And if those words are followed by so many massacres of civilians couldn’t I think of them as a little more than words?
What you don’t understand, is what some people actually view Iraqi civilians as human, and react to harm done to them the same way they react to harm done to human strangers anywhere. In the South, Iraqis are like farm animals–any reason is enough to kill them, and sometimes you can kill them for no reason at all.
I realize you might have had to completely dehumanize all Iraqis to make your job palatable, but the rest of us are still sane.
Hey little Shmendrick, you need to quit drinking the “Hanoi Jane” Fonda Kool-Aid and look at reality, a fair share of TAH regulars ARE Middle East Vets (Myself included), and we know from real life experience that YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT!!
You sure love making assumptions based on zero information, dontcha Sparky?
Read the trial results, o great one.Ever read the REO that our services had to fight under, Worst than Nam’s REO. You have yet to provide one answer to any question asked of you. Yet keep demanding we respond to your”s. Joe
Name a single developed country that you think has anywhere near the permissive, laxly enforced ROEs you were so harshly burdened with.
And I already mentioned Haditha ad nauseum. They were released, and American soldiers by and large cheered because they have total sympathy for killers of civilians and have made it clear time and time again.
I bet you’re kin to Daniel A. Bernath or Dallas Wittgenfeld, you’re just as much of a booger-eating, bedwetting, slobbering imbecile as they are!
Northern Iraq? Oh, are you now in the Wayback Machine or something?
The mass slaugher and dehumanizing of Iraqis you’re speaking of has taken place under via the wanton slaughterhouse generated by ISIL/IS in their south-bound sweep of Iraq, coming out of Syria. Or have you conveniently confused the Islamic State with US troops which have long since been gone?
Young man, I’ve been reading your blah blah blah for the last hour or so. Your last comment talks about tolerating. The only thing you seem to tolerate are your views, but none of the views of others
Your really starting to bore me!
I will further submit the only reason you believe any of the crap you’re spewing is because you were told to believe it. Sensitive and weak willed.
I honestly have more respect for “Hanoi Jane” Fonda and Rosie O’Doughnut than I do for that goat-fucking fleabag piece of shit and “Civilian chauvinist”.
Well, CC has gone and done it. He just assumes that ‘US bad, Iraq good’ is all that is necessary. So I have dug into history back, to get some stats on this matter. Under Saddam Hussein, not only were Iraqis dehumanized, they were also slaughtered wholesale. IRAQ: Deaths under Saddam Hussein Tom Grey answers David Crow’s request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. “See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt: “Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam’s needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam’s reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam’s 8,000-odd days in power.” But such facts are not enough — because for him the true question is whether civilians killed by the war are “unnecessary”. I need to ask whether he thinks the civilian deaths were necessary or not. I clearly believe they were necessary to oust Saddam and save the lives he would have murdered, to free the children from prison, etc. — in fact more necessary than the atomic bombs to force Japan’s surrender If Mr. Crow is willing to accept Muslim fanatic terrorists with WMDs, or Muslim theocracy, rather than fight for Western/ Christian/ Capitalist/ Freedom, then indeed comparing death rates doesn’t mean much”. Ronald Hilton – 4/25/03 Iraq 2003-2005 24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years. US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims. Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims. Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths. Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period. Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices, including air strikes and unexploded ordinance. Fast forward to 2014, with… Read more »
Oh, I almost forgot. CC probably can’t add or subtract.
The total for those three years of ISIL/IS activity in Syria/Iraq is 31,414, and it continues to rise.
I kept wanting to post something but you are doing such a good job I said phuk it. Almost out of chips though.
Those are just the civilian casualties. Iraqi soldiers aren’t included in that, because a news report from LiveLeak in October says that no one is sure any more which bodies are soldiers and which are not.
That is a hell of a good job at research. Still digesting it all. Seriously, good job.
Thank you.
Well, FINALLY! The truth comes to the surface!
This was/is all about how much CC hates, despises and generally denigrates Chris Kyle personally, someone he never knew, and the US military in general.
Geezo pete, to think that it took nearly three hours of dragging it out of him to get at the truth.
A bottle of cheap whiskey might have worked better.
So, in response, you incredible moron — No, the US military does NOT have third world ethical standards. The US military has not engaged in wholesale slaughter.
I think I made it more than clear that wholesale slaughter is the venue of sadistic slugs like Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and ISIL/IS. But you refuse to accept that and label is a ‘straw man argument’.
That is incorrect. You have no basis for comparison, but you do have this desperate need to drag in non sequiturs as support, such as the Japanese in Manchuria. And how, pray tell, does that have anything at all to do with the US military? It does not.
You exaggerate and take out of context one small example, from someone who is deceased and unable to defend himself, which is not just a weak argument – it is NO argument.
My statistics were specific, to the point and taken from current resources. You presented nothing in comparison, not even a reasonable facsimile of an argument.
So now we all know how much you hate and despise Kyle. We also know how much you hate and despise the United States.
Fine.
Move to Iraq or Syria and join ISIL/IS. I’m sure you’ll find yourself in good company, as long as you can answer five random questions about the Q’uran. If you can’t, they’ll behead you on the spot.
Study hard now.
You’re not arguing *against* anything I said. You’re doing the straw-man argument again.
Again, I didn’t say the “US military is just like a terrorist organization”–I said, and I repeat, that the US military has THIRD WORLD STANDARDS when it comes to military ethics.
Chris Kyle’s own words: “Our ROEs when the war kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ‘em. Kill every male you see. That wasn’t the official language, but that was the idea.” <—-Just like Hitler's SS
In fact, the military itself, upon convicting Robert Bales, said they hoped it would (word for word) "The Army says it hopes the trial will help correct any impression that it tolerates criminal behavior." They "get it" that their image got pretty bad after all those unpunished incidents were exposed. They know it's been a problem, and I will grant you that the military did start taking the issue seriously after Rumsfeld left, but it took too many massacres to shake them out of their smugness and get them to give a shit.
Wrong.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=56216&cpage=1#comment-2435699
Learn how to pose an argument or cut the crap and bail out. You lousy at this gig, and in addition, you’re not real bright.
And may I add, along with several other people, that CChauv is a boring, self-involved, pseudo-intellectual pissant. And an asshole.
Now – who wants chocolate chip cookies?
Thanx, but I am going to hit the rack and try to relieve myself of some guilt. I just feel so badly about all those 15 -50 year olds I didnt pull the trigger on. I missed that briefing on ROE, was probably busy finishing my GED.
Tap, Taps, lights out……..hope I dont have nightmares.
Ditto.
Much appreciated, ma’am, but I already have enough PT lined up for tomorrow morning. I love cookies, but they don’t love me back. They try very hard to turn me into a slovenly lardass like CivChauv. Luckily they haven’t quite succeeded yet.
He’s going to have to take a break for a couple days.
He has to go back to his college professor and ask for more debate responses.
For the people who chose to put their eggs in the Haditha basket and go to bat for those killers, in December 2011 a discovery was made in a junkyard in Iraq that showed the full extent of institutional complicity:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/world/middleeast/united-states-marines-haditha-interviews-found-in-iraq-junkyard.html?_r=4&pagewanted=all&
Third World Standards. Ever hear the phrase “when in Rome”?
Sometimes you have to adjust your tactics to defeat your enemy. And sometimes “Shit Happens”.
As far as Haditha is concerned, if I remember correctly, no Iraqis were willing to testify in court, so it made it kind of hard to mount a good prosecution with no witness testimony.
Evasion noted.
It appears that CChubster does not like being told he’s wrong or that he has no grasp of realworld history.
Tough bananas, you dickless whineytit.
Ex PH2 I know CivilianChode. He’s our failure. We , the Gen X’rs figured we’d raise our special snow flakes better than our Babyboomer parents raised us. He was breastfed because the studies said it was better. He was bubble wrapped, sanitized, and monitored 24/7. He was put into the most prestigious daycare centers and “helicoptered” through life. He was never spanked, as that is child abuse. He was never “punished” as that would cause irreparable harm to his developement. He was never told no because that would damage his self esteem. He got trophies just for showing up and breathing. And now, he is a college student with unwashed hair down to his ass, hasn’t bathed in week, and is angry because the degree he is working on in TransWomyns Studies or the Poetry Of Serbian Dissidents isn’t going to get him that $100,000 a year job he was promised at birth. And what does he do with this anger? Instead of using the education fund his parents set up for him, to maybe redirect his education into a needed field such as engineering or manufacturing, or maybe getting into a trade program such as Electrician or H/VAC ( where he can make that kind of money) he continues to spend his parents money studying at the knees of disjointed Ivory tower types who basically hate all of the world that isn’t them. So he directs that anger at all the institutions that reject him. Business, the military, law and order, society in general. Instead he continues to mouth the inane bullshit of his sociology and urban studies professors hoping that if he and his little friends scream loud enough, the world will change to suit them. What he doesn’t realize is that the one institution that he respects, Academia, will be done with him in 4 years ( or until his parents money runs out) and want nothing to do with him. ( Until they start sending the Alumni letter looking for “donations” ) So here’s my advice Dickhead, enjoy the free ride your parents are paying for… Read more »
The truth has a strange way of scaring off certain people, doesn’t it?
However, I have to admit it was fun watching someone dressed as raw meat jumping into our shark tank.
I nbow know why you,cc piss me off so much. This the same lame shit that was thrown at me in the late 60s and early 70s. They could not back their crap talk with facts. The little girl napalm picture the US was wrongly blamed for. Her village was bombed by the VN air Force against US Advisors pleadings. The Left did not let facts get in the way of a smear job. Now I am hearing the same shit again. Please say this to my face. Joe
What Joe said!
Joe, you’re posting facts, liberals like Cc react to them like vampires react to garlic wreaths and Holy Water!