A Little Hard Data to PO the Anti-Gun Crowd

| December 17, 2012

Some “gentle souls” out there think all guns should be banned.  They are indeed ignorant and misguided fools.

They’re probably beyond education on this point.  But I’ll try to enlighten them anyway.

There are many reasons the 2nd Amendment recognizes an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.  Some are related to liberty.  But one even more near and dear to all of us is personal protection.

Here is a short, “quick and dirty” list of average police response times to emergency calls (generally defined as violent crimes in progress requiring an immediate police response) in major cities in the US.  In smaller towns and rural areas, the response time can be expected to be longer.

Nationwide Averages:  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/previous/cvus107.pdf

I’ve read somewhere that the average violent crime takes on the order of 1-2 minutes.   That’s eminently believable; I damn well know someone with a knife can carve another person up like a steak to the point they won’t survive in a minute or less.  A baseball bat can do the trick even quicker.  So that means in only a small fraction of the cases (far less than 10%) would the police even be able to arrive during the crime – much less in time to prevent it, or to prevent injury of the innocent.

There’s a good reason for the old saying “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”  It happens to be true.

Anti-gun fools, I don’t much care if you want to help criminals and make yourselves easy targets incapable of defending yourself against an armed attacker.  But I take exception to you making it impossible for me to defend myself and my family.

And so does the US Constitution.

Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists, Guns

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Ex-PH2

@100 – The REAL problem is that the liberal end does NOT want to FEEL anything. They want to maintain an even strain. Everything is fine. Everything is just fine. No disturbances in the pool that is their mindset, just stagnant water. They do not want to FEEL anything.

Scubasteve

#63, Hondo, but when Joe moves here and sees that schools are bombed with propane tanks and students are still killed, like what happened in Brindisi, Italy in May what’s he going to do?
Anders Breivik, as we all know was originally a redneck, 2nd Amendment supporting, gun owning American, right?
Hell, they even like to kill each other over here for sexy time. Just ask Foxy Knoxy.
Yeah, the WORLD is a fucked up place, Joe. If you ever left your basement and stopped eating cheetos, you’d know that.
Murders happen here all the time. Done with carpet knives, kitchen knives, pantyhose, or other implements of a non-warfighting variety. And there’s a large number of children and women that are victims. No mass murders, unless you want to count Eastern Europe, but to hijack your people’s rally cry, isn’t one too many?

It’s stupid here. Giving someone the finger is a ticket-able offense (found that one out myself). It falls under some defamation and insult of character laws. Everyone is supposed to play nice and get along. But people are still killing each other. Move over here for a few years and see what your ‘dream state’ looks like in reality.

Joe

Some have suggested teachers need to be armed, that would solve the problem. Here’s what Great Britain’s “The Telegraph” rightly thinks of that notion: “Such is the contagion of madness”. Couldn’t have put it better myself.

Nik

And here’s what the Dalai Lama has to say on the subject, “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”

We can play dueling quotes all day long.

Joe

Here’s another – “I’ve seen the enemy, and he is us”.

Nik

Incidentally, the Dalai Lama quote is particularly appropriate given that it was given in response to a girl asking what you should do if someone is pointing a gun at a classmate.

Joe

A situation that is only likely to happen in the US.

Joe

No, you probably need it more than I do.

Nik

Wait…what are the gun control laws in Norway like?

Nik

Wait..a school got shot up by some madman in a country with stricter laws than ours? Really? Naw….Must be nonsense made up by the Conservative Mainstream Media…

Ex-PH2

What Joe is saying is “get rid of everything that scares you”.

If you’re afraid of the dark, get rid of the dark. If you’re afraid of eggs, get rid of eggs. If you’re afraid of sofas, get rid of sofas. If you’re afraid of goosefeathers, then get rid of goosefeathers. I’m sure the geese would be happy to get rid of you, too.

You cannot just get rid of things that frighten you. You have to be a grownup and face them, whether you like it or not. There IS NO enemy. If you’re that afraid of the real world, then get some professional help with your problem, Joe, and grow the hell up. I’m tired of whining. You don’t have a solution to any problem. You just like to whine and contradict everyone — the mark of a completely immature personality.

You’re the problem, Joe. It’s not the guns. It’s not the people who have them. It’s you. You’re afraid of your own damned shadow and you’re so afraid of so many things, you’re never going to outlive your own fears because it’s easier to sit in a corner and complain and whine than it is to face them.

USMCE8Ret

Joe. Here’s the deal…

Since you’re so fixated on England and Europe, you really should consider moving there.

Those of us who actually BELIEVE what is written in the Constitution and Bill of Rights do so like those who preceded us 237+ years ago, which is precisely why we fought and won indepence from the country you’d clearly be in.

Ex-PH2

I posted this earlier today on “Idiots on gun control”.

Here’s a statistic that one and all should find interesting, from the local news station noontime survey:

Should schoolteachers be trained to use and allowed to carry guns?

75% — Yes
25% — No

Ex-PH2

This is a program that is being implemented in some school districts:

http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/students_fight_gunmen.html

Flagwaver

I have an idea. Let us look at this country that Joe seems to want. A country where the population cannot own weapons by rule of law. A country where mentally ill people must be registered with the government for the safety of the state. A country where the government takes care of the people from all threats against them, no matter where those threats come from.

Guess what, I didn’t just describe Joe’s perfect America (at least, I hope not). I just described Germany pre-WWII. That’s right, old Chancellor Hitler made Germany just like Joe wants America to be. Didn’t really end well for the Jews, Mentally Ill, or the Homosexuals, did it?

Joe

PH – #117

As I said before, such is the contagion of madness. You guys are fucking mad.

Ex-PH2

Flagwaver, you just described any one of the countries confiscated by Stalin at the end of WWII, under the heading of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Isn’t it just a pity that the USSR went bankrupt in 1989 and was dissolved? If it still existed, we could ship Joe over there.

Old Trooper

@103: Why haven’t you acknowledged the facts that armed citizens have stopped massacres from occurring in this country? I have provided 3 examples right off the top of my head and one of them was at a school. So; you and the British fishwrapper are wrong. Many can be stopped, you just don’t want to admit the obvious, because it doesn’t fit the narrative that you and the other utopians have built up for yourself.

UpNorth

@#46, jumping to conclusions is the only exercise Joey gets. His mind is made up, never, ever try to confuse him with facts.
Joey, if we’re mad, “fucking mad”, please, take Hondo up on his offer. You’re far too good to live with us madmen, and women.
On another note, it will be little noted and not remembered that you have nothing when someone lays a fact or two on you, except to go LaLaLa with your hands over your eyes.

Ex-PH2

Hey, Joe, if you don’t like it here, then leave. No one is stopping from moving to another country. Or to another planet. Just go.

I’ll repeat what I’ve already said: You’re the problem, Joe. It’s not the guns. It’s not the people who have them. It’s you. You’re afraid of your own damned shadow and you’re so afraid of so many things, you’re never going to outlive your own fears because it’s easier to sit in a corner and complain and whine than it is to face them.

Now one is going to keep you from moving some place else. Just go. What are you waiting for? Your birthday?

NHSparky

WE’RE fucking mad, Joe? That’s YOUR utopia, not ours.

Ex-PH2

We’re mad? How are we mad?

Because we aren’t afraid to stand up for ourselves?

Because we aren’t willing to just rollover and die?

Because we believe in defending ourselves?

Because we aren’t afraid of our own shadows, like you are?

How is that madness?

You can pull the covers up over your useless head and pull the pillow over your ears all you want to. It isn’t going to make the ‘bad’ stuff go away.

And no matter what you do, some day, you’re still going to die. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

That’s the real secret. We ALL know about it. And we aren’t afraid of it.

Flagwaver

Not too far from where I live in Oregon, a gunman opened fire in a mall and shot three people. Do you know what stopped him from shooting more? Not his sense of decency, but the fact he saw a private citizen with a pistol. That caused the shooter to turn the gun on himself.

Guess what, the private citizen was going to shoot the guy, but refrained because the area behind the gunman was not clear. The guy, to my knowledge, was not a veteran or a cop. He was just a private citizen with a CCW.

Tell me, would you rather have left the gunman with his 900 rounds of ammunition and three weapons THAT HE STOLE remain in the building waiting for cops to arrive on scene?

The shooter took about two minutes from the time he walked into the food court until he shot himself. The police took seven minutes to respond from the first 911 call (after the shots began). Then, another ten minutes to actually effect entry into the mall. Tell me, would you want to wait seventeen minutes for the police to stop the shooter, or two minutes for a citizen to stop the shooter?

You decide.

UpNorth

Flagwaver, Joey would want to go reason with the citizen, because he was carrying one of those evil guns, and the mall should have been a gun-free zone.

And, how dare the citizen take into account his backdrop before he fired. It would have been so much better for the meme if he’d touched off a round or two and hit an innocent.

Nik

Really? Nobody went there?

*ahem*

Madness? THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

PavePusher

@ 36: Joe, would there be more or fewer dead kids if a teacher had been armed?

Straight answer, please.