Les Brown – Fake Special Forces Ranger

| July 19, 2019

The folks at Military Phony send us their work on Lester Kent Brown, who simply goes by “Les.”  Les heads up a Nevada chapter of a POW/MIA organization.

Les has been in the newspaper where the article states he is a retired Master Sergeant having served in the Army for 20 years.

He also has been spotted in a veteran’s vest showing the MSG rank, several Special Forces crests, the RANGER tab, a Combat Infantry Badge (CIB) and a patch designating him as a veteran of Desert Storm.

Well, his official military records tell a different story…

Brown got out as a Specialist vs. his claim of Master Sergeant (E-8).

He did not retire after 20 years. His summary sheet said he was discharged vs. retired.

Brown does not have the Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB) under his awards and he does not have the medals or assignments that would support his claim of being in Desert Storm.

He also does not have an assignment to any Special Forces units.

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Mustang Major

Total fraud. Hope Les Brown has a fun weekend explaining his lie.

thebesig

For the search engines:

Les Brown was a Specialist, he was not a Master Sergeant as he claims on his vest.

Les Brown was discharged after 15 years (+ change) of service, he did not retire as he claims.

Les Brown does not have a Combat Infantryman Badge as he claims on his vest.

Les Brown is not a Gulf War Veteran as he claims on his vest.

Les Brown was not Special Forces as he claims.

ArmyATC

It would appear that he was claiming to be an officer at some point. There are several pics on his Facebook page where he’s sporting Colonel’s rank on his beret.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

This whole internet thingy isn’t making life easy for the liars among us…

So, thanks to porn opening up the bandwidth liars are being exposed every day for preying on the good nature of average Americans.

Good luck with the future in your organization Mr. Brown….

No one would have been mad at you for starting that organization without lying, or without even serving… this was another clear case of lies NOT BEING necessary to do a good deed….but you couldn’t resist becoming one of those fellows who holds his manhood cheap.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

it should read this was another clear case of lies NOT BEING necessary to do a good deed….goddam Friday morning fingers…

thebesig

Changed, copied and pasted what you wanted to say over what you originally said.

Ret_25X

Amazing how fast they get promoted after ETS….

What a schmuck.

3/10/MED/b

That’s funny, Ret_25X,

Request permission to steal, over;

Ret_25X

no “ownership” claimed..LOL 🙂

Use away

On another note; I want to rip that CIB off of his vest, glue it to a traffic cone, and ram it straight up his ass.

What a fucktard.

ChipNASA

I want to rip that CIB off of his vest, glue it to a traffic cone, and ram it straight up his ass.

OK the visual of that made me blow snot bubbles.

*Kleenex*.

BBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Comm Center Rat

This is what Les Brown is NOT:

Not a MSG
Not a Army Retiree
Not a Desert Storm Veteran
Not a CIB recipient
Not SF qualified
Not a Ranger

Les’ Book of Face lists his employment as a Bailiff/ Range Master/ Instructor from October 22, 2012 to present with the Carlin (NV) Police Department. Hopefully, a detective in that PD will investigate Les to determine whether he violated the Stolen Valor Act.

5th/77th FA

Nothing like a lying, embellishing, coulda been proud of the service you had piece of sh^t FIRST thing this morning. What other lies are in your closet Lester Kent Brown. Read up on your lying a$$ on evening past, courtesy of the MP Ninjas. Sleeping in late today Les? You haven’t scrubbed your “I Love Me Fakebook Page” yet. And in your case, it is, like you, a Fakebook of epic proportions.

You think your Family and Friends were proud of your “Awareness Association”, just wait til they see the Google Fame that this sh^t storm is going to bring. Guess being an ammo handling MP, truck driving scuba diver for the NG in Nevada is kinda sorta like being a special feces warrior during Desert Storm. Sure would like to be in attendance when the goods folks over to the POW/MIA Groups, strip you of your embellished bling and drum the lying POSer Lester Kent Brown the hell out of their Organization.

Let me be the FIRST to call for the deployment of the Hemisphere of Insults upon the disgraced, but soon to be Google Famous, lying, NOT a Green Beret, NOT a Master Sergeant E 8, NOT an awardee of the CIB, NOT an Army Ranger, and NOT a truthful person. Can I get a SECOND and an AYE?

Toxic Deplorable B Woodman

I second the motion to deploy the Hemisphere of Insults, in the most timely manner possible.

A Proud Infidel®™

AYE!!!!

A Proud Infidel®™

And YES I hope to see the Official TAH Hemisphere of Insults®™ dropped on that fartheaded fuckfaced foreskin fondling felcher of a jittery jizz junkie!

Sarge

I see your fartheaded fuckfaced foreskin fondling felcher of a jittery jizz junkie, and raise you a shit surping semen burping dick sucking sorry sonavabitch with syphillis, not to mention a Valor Vulture and volunteer for vile vaginal discharge vacuum duty .

ChipNASA

OK Guys be right back. I left Les a little love on this Book of Face.

” Hey Les, as a REAL E-8 I have this to say.
GTFOHWTS. (Google it. )
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😀 😀 😀

ChipNASA

OK All, Happy Friday to everyone except Les, because apparently Les is MORE!! 😀 😀 😀 LOL .. Les, I certainly hope you see the links to TAH and come here and try to defend you bullshit because we haven’t had a good chewtoy in a LONG time. FUCK YOU LES!!!!! Prepare your anus, we’re going in dry. The Hemisphere of Insults®™ (aka, “This Ain’t Hell” Thesaurus) FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!! TACTICAL NUCLEAR ROUND OUT!!!! THREE PASS AIRCRAFT BOMB RUN!!!!! DANGER CLOSE!!!! MOPP LEVEL 4!!! TAKE COVER!!!!! … Lester “Les” (as in WORTLESS) Kent (Spent) Brown (like a TURD) …HEY DICKLESS WONDER, We all hope you read this and come back here and try to defend your actions, but, you won’t because, YOU’RE A STRAIGHT UP COWARD, NOT a Ranger, vile, flaming piece of skunk shit, ALLEGEDLY, but not confirmed or proven, but in some people’s opinion, works balls, tickles taint and tongue punches hobo’s crusty fart boxes all, I Guess, while being a syphilitic, turd-sucking feces factory, HOLY Baby Ape Shit Breath, Bitch-ass Fuckstick guzzler, pile infested, onion-eyed flapmouthed butt-bailiff, “Fowl” mouthed Chicken Fucking Chickenfucker, You flaccid piece of tofu, Simply a fart in life waiting to be fabreezed away, moral equivalent of pond scum, THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS A WALKING TURD, inflamed, “Towel boy” in a gay bath house, DILLY DILLY!!, Ambulatory verbal dissembling anus, Fucking one cell spermatozoon with a tiny flagella, gaping giant ass walking fungus shit nugget, Bag of seasoned dog shit, Cambodian cunt sauce, he deserves to have his private parts gnawed by angry badgers, Anyone who ever loved you was wrong, bucket of ass chum, Poopy Headed ball working asshole, JERK OFF !!, Soup Sandwich, if you Mom would have known you were going to turn out like this, she’d have prayed for a miscarriage, Diaper-Sniper, you’re such a pussy, when you get a haircut they charge you for a bikini wax, suck a big diseased gorilla dick and open those ass cheeks for the bull elephant that has been eyeing your lying ass, Poster-child for post birth abortion, Testicle face, This twat waffle… Read more »

ChipNASA

how did you survive infancy, rectal rapee, Dude looks like he smells like hot dog water, GonnoSyphaHerpaClapAIDS Patient Zero monkey buggerer, ball-tickling & ball gargling bullshiat artist, R2-Dildo, You suck dick for beer money and you don’t even drink beer, secret squirrel masturbation specialist, hand in your badge, Adolf, you fart repeatedly just to make yourself smell better, spunk-trumpet, Bakrauf, face down ass up weak kneed pillow biter, maybe this hero could strap a suicide vest to himself, go out in the open desert and make people confetti out of himself, Wait, of all the lucky sperms that came outta your daddy, you’re the one that WON??, He’s so much of a dickhead he takes Viagra thru a nasal spray, and he’s still limp, How I the fuck do assholes like this sleep at night? With one hand on their tiny dick and the other thumb in their ass, Holy shit, maybe a “buggerer of little boys”, rottencrotched, rump wrangling, colostomy bag curator, A butter knife amongst razor blades, Rusty Trombone Virtuoso, he is the kinda guy who likes meeting up with two strange men so they can sword fight in his mouth, he’s the kind of guy you’d find hanging out around highway rest areas because he’s frequenting the public bathrooms trying to gargle marbles for change, culo de chongo, booger eating fuckbucket, Lemon Party-lusting, Pissflap, fucknuckles, is about as real as a Civil War Issue polyester blanket, Menstrual quimsquirt, you’re as useful as Anne Frank’s Drum Set, overzealous polyp burglar, poser quim squirt, bed wetting, follows in Victorious Felder’s bovine excrement -filled boots, I wanna get a running start and drop kick him right in the ‘ol yogurt gun, Fustilarian, Knobgobble, prancing pony penis puffer, Likes to turn his mouth into a day care center with guys baby gravy behind the local truck stop, I hope his rectum is popped so hard, he will achieve liftoff on Mr. Tiny’s launch pad, less popular than a Cheese and Veggie Omelet MRE, You are so full of shit, your ears stink, I hope your wife brings a date to your… Read more »

ChipNASA

fucked himself faster than a horny chihuahua by lying about his Military Service, you are the reason Jesus can’t play peek-a-boo, he has holes in his hands, you are a 0 EPR/OPR, you are worse than a Dishonorable Discharge….from your Mom’s vagina, Massive, back alley, bucket of schlong fuck juice, cockalorum cum-guzzling gutter slut, Dalton Coldiron’s bunny-butt buddy atomic sphincter goblin, If you stuck your brain up a gnat’s ass, it would look like a BB in a boxcar, Jackanape, Fuck Tart, Sitzpinkler, lispian, pussytits, Milksop, you’re such an embarrassment to your family and your father is so ashamed of you, he’d refuse a free blowjob out of fear of further spilling his seed, Forrest Gump points and laughs at you, you suck so bad, AIDS and Cancer have nightmares about you, your shit is about as funny as Anne Frank, Helen Keller and Terri Schiavo having an orgy in the showers at Auschwitz, you suck so bad, puppies, kittens and babies hate you, you are so loathsome, looks like the kind of guy who lets his wife gets her shit pushed in by Mr. Ouch while he watches, Gandhi would ass rape you for giggles, you are about as welcome as a yeast infection, hemorrhoids, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, genital wards and herpes, you’re one of the reasons Trump is President, you make God want a do-over, You vacuous, toffee-nosed malodorous pervert, pillock, puss soaked jackwagon, waste of trace elements and water, Jizztissue, knob breath dick biscuit, Pettifogger, Bunghole Baby,Rear Admiral of the Butt Piracy, donkey raping shit-eater, twatface, pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo it, may he lay a lip lock on the snotty end of a moose cock,butt munch, deep sea crotch lobster, man of the night in a large animal bordello, I bet you’re the kind of guy that would fuck your own mother in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give her a reach-around (Thanks R. Lee Ermey, R.I.P.) Les is NOT an Army Ranger, NOT an E-8 (Like I am, USAF Senior Master Sergeant) Master Sergeant, Has NOT earned a CIB,… Read more »

5th/77th FA

AMEN!!! And Thanks to the Chipster for relieving the itch in my trigger finger. Maybe now I can abuse my F5 Key for the upcoming and highly anticipated race for FIRST on the TAH Friday Weekend Open Thread.

ChipNASA

Get in line bitch. 😀 😀 😀

Sarge

Rounds on target, fire for effect!

Grunt

Looks like reality is a lot Les than this dude claims.

Cocksucker

A Proud Infidel®™

Ka-
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Shack.

Toxic Deplorable B Woodman

Reminds me of this, from the Tombstone, AZ Boot Hill cemetery;
“Here lies Lester Moore
Four shots from a 44
No Les, no Moore”

Enjoy your interwebz infamy.

11B-Mailclerk

Want Les Brown? Use more toilet paper.

Grunt

Fuck that’s funny 😆

3/10/MED/b

And there was a question of the rarity of posers…
Thanks, Les!!

Ex-PH2

Such a J-E-R-KKKK!!!!

OldManchu

Are you folks S-U-R-E that he wasn’t special forces ranger master sergeant cib?

I keep staring at that fitted vest, the beret, and the groomed goatee…. I’m pretty sure he is what he claims.

Outcast

You forgot the Harley.

Daisy Cutter

They just don’t hand that stuff out to anybody that has the money to pay for it.

Mustang Major

Or the credit, I suspect in the case of Les Brown.

Outcast

Kinda surprised that there is no Vietnam Veteran reference by him also. Got the gray and beard and such.

Keepin' It Real

Les Brown, More Yellow.

If it’s brown, flush it down.
If it’s yellow, let it mellow.

NECCSeabeCPO

NDSM, with a Bronze Star? Just asking.

What supports this?

Daisy Cutter

NDSM with Bronze Star – Many have aspired, and yet so few have achieved.

From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered—
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

Martinjmpr

Nothing, that is an error on someone’s part.

Brown’s service is after the Vietnam NDSM period (I think the VN NDSM period ended in 1976 but I may be wrong – Hondo?)

Since Brown’s service ended in 1994 he would only be eligible for one award of the coveted NDSM, not two.

Errors like this on the part of NPRC cast their other conclusions into doubt, which gives fuel to the fire for posers to claim that “my six Medals of Honor were ‘lost’ in the system! Yeah, THAT’S the ticket!”

Daisy Cutter

The criteria for the NDSM states that it is awarded to a member of the Reserve or National Guard regardless if they were mobilized – talking about ODS/S.

Then, it goes on to state that they are awarded an NDSM if they are mobilized.

I wonder if Brown fulfilled both criteria and therefore awarded two or an individual gets one or the other criteria but not both – therefore one NDSM.

Martinjmpr

As others have said below, it’s a mistake. You can’t get more than 1 NDSM per qualifying period no matter how many times you “earn” it. It’s similar to the CIB in that respect.

Bleary-eyed clerk still sleeping off his hangover probably put it on his DD-214 by mistake and once it’s there, it’s taken as gospel truth by the Army.

ArmyATC

The NDSM award period for Vietnam ended 14 Aug. 1974. This clown, being the same age I am, wouldn’t have been old enough to enlist during that period.

Harry

In one pic his name tag on his phony-issue vest says “Sgt. Grumpy”, while a silver chicken adorns his phony beret…so is he really “Colonel Sgt Grumpy”? Or did he hold the special top secret pay grade of OE-68?

Roh-Dog

Clearly he’s a Spesiall Foursays Sergeant Colonel with a pay grade of OE-254, common mistake.

A Proud Infidel®™

ARE YOU SURE he didn’t possess the coveted PRC E-8 Commo Device?

Roh-Dog

Yes Les Brown did, he found it at the bottom of his favorite breakfast, Box o’ Grid Squares cereal with horse spunk.

A Proud Infidel®™

You mean from the Special VS-17 Box with two FREE Chem-Light Batteries?

Martinjmpr

Mail in 3 box tops and you get an M-203 blank adapter and the keys to Area J.

A Proud Infidel®™

BUT does that include a BONUS Box of ground Guides®™? THIS inquiring mind WANTS to know!!!

11B-Mailclerk

Goes well with a large can of Squelch.

Sarge

You forgot the free rolls of flightline from Base Ops.

A Terminal Lance Coolie

He washes it all down with a big ol’ jar of blinker fluid.

RGR 4-78

Enough, you effers spread out, 1 BA-30 will kill us all.

26Limabeans

Wonder if claims to know this this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Brown_(bandleader)

HMCS(FMF) ret

If he claims to be the famous bandleader, will be also claim to be the “master of the skin flute”? Or maybe, he likes the “rusty Trombone”?

A Proud Infidel®™

I’m sure that Lester Kent Brown is in demand at any Lemon Party!!!

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

I’m glad les doesn’t claim to be a re nouned band leader.

Charles

A servicemember is authorized ONE award of the National Defense Service Medal for active duty of 120 or more days (certain training periods not allowed) during “time of war” specifically defined as:

Korean War
June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954

Vietnam Conflict
January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974

Gulf War
August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995

War on Terrorism
September 11, 2001 Present

The bare ribbon is the 1st award, subsequent awards are reflected by small bronze stars being placed on the ribbon. The service member need not have deployed, just being on active duty and subject to assignment into combat if needed qualifies.

Based on that extract of service records, he should have one and only one award of the NDSM, even if he had multiple tours of active duty and/or deployments in multiple theaters.

He was in during the Gulf War, but was out by the start of GWOT (retroactively made effective September 11, 2001 – “911”).

Daisy Cutter

It’s people like Lester that cheapen the NDSM.

Most people would be proud to just have one, but Lester had to award himself two.

Comm Center Rat

Yes, the NDSM brotherhood weeps a little more today over Les Brown’s blatant disregard of our coveted and prestigious service award.

26Limabeans

There was a time when it was the only award we had. That is what makes it so special.
Just one is more than enough for anybody.

Claw

Result of an incorrect transcription by the NPRC Tech.

The NDSM Brotherhood knows what’s what./s

ChipNASA

I have the coveted Bronze Star on mine.
(Old fucker)

Claw

Me too.

(Older fucker)/s

thebesig

Me too. :mrgreen:

Comm Center Rat

Me too. I’m a AARP member, but still too young to qualify for a true Senior Citizen discount (62+).

thebesig

I’ve been using my retired reserve ID card to get discounts. :mrgreen: I thought I had to wait till next year for AARP (50 years of age), but according to this article, people younger than 50 could apply for AARP:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerma/2017/08/31/why-i-joined-aarp-at-age-35/#2ed568e870f5

Poetrooper

Gentlemen, you need to do some research on AARP. They are a huge propagandizer for and supporter of the Democrat Party and hugely anti-conservative/Republican.

If you wish to underwrite AARP’s anti-American operations with your premium payments, feel free, but I just want you to know where your dollars are going.

rgr769

AARP was a major supporter of 0bama care. The organization is run by a bunch of progs. It is also quite opposed to our 2A rights. It always donates mountains of cash to D-rats.

A Proud Infidel®™️

Not just that, AARP is also making money off of 0bamacare.

thebesig

Originally posted by Poetrooper:

Gentlemen, you need to do some research on AARP. They are a huge propagandizer for and supporter of the Democrat Party and hugely anti-conservative/Republican.

I never intended to apply for AARP for that reason. I do anticipate receiving mailings from them next year asking to join. I’m playing around with a statement to use to explain to them why I’m not joining, something about their support for progressive causes… Sent back using their “no postage required” return mail.

I was just going to use my military ID, as well as the card that I received from AUSA. There’s a conservative counterpart to AARP.

Claw

Snark Alert!!

“anticipate mailings from them next year”

You must be fairly young yet./s My twin sons, who just turned 50 in May, have been receiving propaganda mailings from AARP for the past five years./s

thebesig

Originally posted by Claw:

You must be fairly young yet./s My twin sons, who just turned 50 in May, have been receiving propaganda mailings from AARP for the past five years./s

I turn 50 next year, before they turn 51. Your sons are less than a year older than me. :mrgreen:

I posted a link, above, showing that AARP is available to those younger than 50. In fact, the guy that wrote the article saw people discussing whether to get AARP or not… They were in their 20s/30s. The author of that linked article became a member of AARP at 35.

Your sons getting mailings for a few years now isn’t surprising.

I order from conservative sites, and so my name and address is listed on mailing lists as a buyer of conservative related products.

That’s something that would contribute to my not receiving mailings from them yet.

SFC D

Me too.

26Limabeans

Can I transfer one from my VSM?

The Stranger

Me too. Somewhat old fucker.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Les Brown = Stolen Valor Cocksucker

26Limabeans

Where’s the dog Les?
Did it bite you and run away?

HMCS(FMF) ret

Probably peed on his leg, then ran away…

11B-Mailclerk

Sal-ute!

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

He looks like he should be busting some myths

A Proud Infidel®™

Lester Kent Brown’s first name is pronounced “LESS”, how appropriate.
Lester Kent Brown NEVER attained the Rank of Master Sergeant according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown looks like an Apprentice Towel Boy reject at Brucie’s Bath House (Entrance in the Rear).
Lester Kent Brown WAS awarded the Army Service Medal with 1 Bronze Star according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown IMHO is as genuine as a Civil War issue polyester blanket.
Lester Kent Brown WAS NEVER a Member of the US Army Special Forces according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown looks to me like he SHOULD NOT be left alone around Women and Children.
Lester Kent Brown WAS awarded the National Defense Service Ribbon ONCE according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown looks like he couldn’t even get laid in a Women’s Prison with a $100 bill and three ounces of cocaine taped to his forehead.
Lester Kent Brown WAS NEVER awarded the US Army Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB) according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown looks like a gay Lot Lizard.
Lester Kent Brown WAS awarded the US Army Overseas Ribbon.
Lester Kent Brown looks like he enjoys prowling highway rest areas in a windowless van in search of a date.
Lester Kent Brown DID NOT serve twenty years in the US Army according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown poses for cameras like he has at least two dozen corncobs up his ass all at once.
Lester Kent Brown WAS awarded the Army Achievement Medal with 1 Oak Leaf Cluster according to records found.
Lester Kent Brown looks like he enjoys doing tricks in the alley behind The Blue Oyster.
Lester Kent Brown looks like a prime candidate for APL.
Lester Kent Brown will now harvest what he has sown in Google®™ fame because Lester Kent Brown will now discover that THE INTERNET IS FOREVER!!
Have a Google®™ day, Lester Kent Brown!

How Copy, please repeat and relay,
((((OVER))))

Claw

Nasty Girl MP with a Pistol Pizza Box. Means he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Deployed to K-Town during DS/DS to monitor the traffic on 40 Mark-Strasse just outside of Landstuhl.

Probably got an AAM for that./smile

Added to the Valor Vultures Tote Board. Only items not checked off the Poser list are the POW claim, the eye-candy and the blurred-out face service/comfort gerbil.

Roh-Dog

Lester Kent Brown of Nevada has some ‘splaining to do.
Les Brown was not Special Forces.
Lester Brown was not a Ranger.
Lester K Brown did not retire from my beloved Army.
L. K. Brown has lied about his service.
Lester Brown couldn’t find Saudi Arabia on a map because Les Brown did not serve in Desert Storm.
Les Brown did not earn a Combat Infantryman Badge.
Les Brown is an adult and should be ashamed of himself.

A Proud Infidel®™

I COPY:
Lester Kent Brown of Nevada has some ‘splaining to do.
Les Brown was not Special Forces.
Lester Brown was not a Ranger.
Lester K Brown did not retire from my beloved Army.
L. K. Brown has lied about his service.
Lester Brown couldn’t find Saudi Arabia on a map because Les Brown did not serve in Desert Storm.
Les Brown did not earn a Combat Infantryman Badge.
Les Brown is an adult and should be ashamed of himself.

((((OVER))))

Morgan Blake

Can’t figure out the Desert Storm claim from his records.

He appears to have been overseas due to the medal, but the history of his MP unit speaks otherwise. He also doesn’t have the SA Kuwait Liberation medal in his records but he wears it on his vest.

Maybe he went overseas, but was nowhere near Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

He’s definitely a fraud, though.

Martinjmpr

Look at the record of assignments – he went to Germany.

You have to remember the deplorable state of many NG units prior to DS. I was in the Guard (Colorado) from 1983 – 1986 and I can tell you that most of the horror stories you hear are true: Weight and PT standards blatantly ignored, poor discipline, “Pencil whipped” training, etc. I could tell you some stories…

Anyway, the Army knew how bad most RC (espcially NG) units were and with a “real” war coming up, they didn’t want them anywhere near the fighting. So what they did was took the Active Duty “garrison cops” from places like Germany, sent them to the Desert, and “back filled” with National Guard or reserve troops to direct traffic and write tickets.

THAT’S what Les Brown did, and it’s nothing to be ashamed of. But he had to crap all over a perfectly respectable record by claiming to be something he wasn’t. As POTUS might tweet, “SAD!”

Claw

Oh, Yeah, he went overseas all right. His ANG MP Company was activated for DS/DS and went to Kaiserslautern, Germany as a back-fill to pull the duties of an active Army MP Company that went down to the Sandbox.

Les Brown probably figures he earned a CIB cause way back when, he was duty slotted as an 11B Infantryman for about a month.

But everybody wants a CIB, they just don’t want to do the Grunt work to officially get one./smile

Roh-Dog

“But everybody wants a CIB, they just don’t want to do the Grunt work to officially get one.”
Some people would give their left nut to get back to the show.
$80k+/year to go hunting with someone else’s ammo, rifle, thermals, etc.!!??!
That sound like two dreams come true at the same time with supermodels in bikinis and bottomless kegs.
But to your point, I know more than one combat arms dude that’s expressed regret not getting there, it’s a hard and bitter pill, but to lie about it?
F that.

USAF RET

What a dick.

A Proud Infidel®™

More like DICKLESS WONDER!!!

Martinjmpr

I’m sure it all started back when someone asked Brown what he was in the army. He said “Spec 4” and they thought he said “Special Forces” so he decided to let it ride. 😀

rgr769

Maybe his mommy started it all when she told him he was “special” and put him on the short bus.

ChipNASA

I left his book of Face some more love and an invitation to TAH…

“Hey Les, maybe you can come here and explain your fake bullshit.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=89053

I SO want a chew toy as much as as 5th/77th FA gets itchy about me dropping the The Hemisphere of Insults®™ every week or two

rgr1480

He completed the 7 week Scuba Diver Course in 83. I wonder how he swung that school?

And if he completed it, shouldn’t he have a Scuba Bubble in his awards block?

Charles

I just noted that SPC Brown’s records report that he attended — under the Civilian Education heading — a seven week “SCUBA Course” at “Johnson Island”(!?) in 1982. That entry, however, is handwritten in the record.

and then a second “SCUBA Diver Course” in 1983 is listed under Service Schools, taught by “USATC” (United States Army Training Center?) and also 7 weeks long.

Tony180A

Scuba Diver course that’s kinda like the Special Forces Combat Diver course. Looks like you’re rocking a bubble in one of your bullshit photos.

Poetrooper

Isn’t that school in Key West? I know it used to be.

Tony180A

Poe,Yes it is. At the end of Duval St.

Poetrooper

Still is–from Wikipedia article on military divers:

United States Army

Some Army Rangers attend the Special Forces Combat Diver Qualification Course.[citation needed]

Delta Force – all trained in Combat Diving.[citation needed][dubious – discuss]

Army Engineer Divers – Trained in underwater construction, salvage, demolitions, hydrographic survey, hyperbaric chamber operation, beach and river reconnaissance, bridge reconnaissance, underwater cutting and welding, side scan sonar operations,[clarification needed] mine and countermine operations, search and recovery operations and ships husbandry operations. Army divers use both surface supplied equipment and scuba to perform their missions.[citation needed]

The Special Forces (Green Berets) maintain a robust combat diving capability. One Operational Detachment-Alpha (ODA) per Special Forces Company is trained and equipped to conduct open and closed circuit sub-surface maritime infiltration operations. Special Forces combat divers, along with many combat divers from other services, attend the Special Forces Combat Diver Qualification Course, which is held at the Special Forces Underwater Operations School, Naval Air Station Key West, Key West, Florida.

Poetrooper

And does that say Johns(t)on Island? As in out in the Northern Pacific? Why the hell would the Army be running a scuba school in such a remote location?

Martinjmpr

Man, that is a soup sandwich of an NPRC document. 🙁

No information on Brown’s 66 months as an ammo specialist from January 1979 to August of 84. Could he have been stationed at Johntson Island in the Pacific?

Maybe that’s where he rates his overseas ribbon? I know Johnston Atoll was a big chemical weapons storage facility before it was shut down. Presumably an “ammo specialist” would have a job at a weapons storage facility.

Could the “scuba course” at Johnston Island have been a civilian PADI course run through MWR? I know duty at Johnston was boring, and they are in the middle of the pacific, so why not have a Scuba school there?

But not a military one. It does seem to be listed with his civilian education.

WRT the 1983/ 1992 time confusion, again my guess is a lazy/sloppy NPRC clerk hand copied the 1983 entry and for some reason

GDContractor

This clown had a good gig with Mythbusters, and he had to shit all over it.

ChipNASA

OK That’s *not* funny….Oh…wait….
Yes it *IS*!!
😀 😀 😀

The Stranger

Well, he needs to get busy busting the myth that Les Brown was a Ranger or Special Forces. Honestly, I believe that Les Nessman (from WKRP) would kick his ass.

26Limabeans

There once was a phony named Lester
Who’s lies began to fester
he put on the vest
and marched with the rest
but all he could do is pester.

google will search for his name
and display the results as shame
with a link to the blog from hell
repleat with those who served well.

author unknown

26Limabeans

There is a dog up for adoption at the PD where he is the Balliff/ Rangemaster Instructor.
Better warn the dog.

Commissioner Wretched

This guy is also an embarrassment to Les Brown and his Band of Renown.

Mike

Look at the bright side, he wasn’t adorning the bling vest with jump wings. Kinda hard to be either a Ranger or SF without being airborne qualified….

Poetrooper

Even harder to believe that none of the vets around him failed to notice that…

26Limabeans

I would call that a “clue”.

Skyjumper

Nay, nay, Mike.

Just found TWO pics of him wearing “Master Blaster” wings. One sewn on a set of BDU’s (along with his “E-8” pins and one pic with him in his biker vest where he has actual Master Blaster metal wings pinned on right near his
“E-7” pin,

Wait, E-7 pin??
Hmmmmmm…..guess his E-8 pin is in the cleaners or maybe loaned out to another real vet for the day. /sarc

Skyjumper

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Mike

Yep, I didn’t scan far enough. I was just looking at the lead photo.

3/10/MED/b

“Nay, nay…”

Unexpected reference/ reverence to John Pinnette.

That man was funny.

Tony180A

Les Brown you slimy piece of shit! Can’t tell you how bad I’d like to rip that beret off your head and the 5th Group flash off your vest. 5th Special Forces Group lost a legend with the passing of CSM(ret) Joe Dennison this week and when I think of you denigrating the honor of such men with your bullshit it is infuriating. I wonder if the Carlin Police Department knows their Bailiff/Rangemaster/instructor is a lying shitbag?

That being said I’d like to invite you to the 5th Special Forces Group reunion this September. Don’t forget to wear your beret and vest so I can pick you out and buy you a cold beer.

Poetrooper

Tony, perhaps you should consider arranging for him a warm urinal licking experience with his face fully engaged until such time as you and other attendant SOF types determine the interior surface of the urinal to be sufficiently cleansed.

Just a thought…

Tony180A

Poe, I looked through the pages of some of his friends that commented on his book of the face pictures. This slimy turd has been rocking this lie far and wide. May be the cynic in me but the picture of him and his buddy rocking the vest with the SEAL Trident is literally a flashing red neon sign that reads “I’M A LYING SHITBAG VALOR THIEF TOO”!

ChipNASA

I’m wondering how long his Book of Face page is going to stay up. it seems he doesn’t visit it that much.
I’d bet it’s still there Monday even thought we’re all pretty much blasting him there and putting in the links to MP and here at TAH.

COME ON CHEW TOY. PAPPA NEEDS A NEW PAIR OF SHOES. COME ON CHEW TOY.

thebesig

Put an “@” in front of his name, like “@name”, that would tag him. I did that to people that weren’t on my friend’s list. :mrgreen:

ChipNASA

LOL,
I just did that.
“Les Brown
Come out Come Out wherever you are.”

That’s AWESOME. I’ll have to remember that for our next phonies.

Martinjmpr

Anyone else note the “GARDEN PLOT” mobilization?

It tickled a memory in the back of my mind so I had to google it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Garden_Plot

Looks like Brown was mobilized for about a week for the LA Riots in 1992. Which makes sense if he was in an MP Company.

Charles

Just got off the phone with the Carlin, Nevada Police Department. The secretary there informed me that “Les Brown is a reserve member of the department.”
She said “we are aware of the allegations on the internet, and I can tell you that they don’t have the correct records.”
I told her that I look forward to them posting his correct records, and wished her a nice day.

http://www.cityofcarlin.com/departments/police_department/index.php

ChipNASA

Why am I not surprised.
Shakes my damn head.

FUCK THEM TOO!!!

We see way too much of this shit.

Ass covering.

Well, the light of day and public shaming usually get results.

26Limabeans

Get out your Bingo cards.

Sarge

Choices at this point are:

1. Lost in Fire in early 70s
2. Sealed by the CIA
3. Abducted by aliens

Mustang Major

“Hello, Carlin Police Department, I want to report a case of military fraud.” The dispatcher then says, “Go ahead sir. We will put one of our former Special Forces, reserve officers on it right away.”

GDContractor

Chevyliar was a “reserve officer”. I detect a pattern.

Charles

The following message was sent today to the Chiel of Police:

Chief Fobes:

This is what I hope is yet another in a series of inquires as to the actual military service record of Lester Kent Brown.

When a man is serving in a law enforcement position, we expect the highest standards of honor and integrity.

From him … and from you.

Credible evidence has surfaced that Lester Brown has at least lied, at worst presented forged federal documents,
attesting to a service record in the United States Army that are not supported by official records from the
United States Army records center.

Please conduct an internal investigation and publish your findings in the Elko Daily Free Press, of evidence, if any,
the Lester Brown is:

Airborne Qualified (a paratrooper),
a United States Army Ranger,
a Special Forces Soldier (“Green Beret”),
a (pick one) Master Sergeant (pay grade E8) / Sergeant First Class (pay grade E7),
retired after 20 years of service,
and awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge for service in armed combat as a
United States Army Infantryman.

References:

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=89053

https://militaryphony.com/2019/07/18/les-brown-master-sergeant-ranger-special-forces-20-year-career-blog-of-shame/

I certainly expect that you and the Carlin Police Department will not join Specialist Lester Brown in the Hall of Shame.

Sincerely,

Charles

======================

I’ll keep TAH posted of any reply. One Two Three,
hold your breath …

Tony180A

Poe, I looked through the pages of some of his friends that commented on his book of the face pictures. This slimy turd has been rocking this lie far and wide. May be the cynic in me but the picture of him and his buddy rocking the vest with the SEAL Trident is literally a flashing red neon sign that reads “I’M A LYING SHITBAG VALOR THIEF TOO”!

rgr769

Woo Hoo! Army is back in the race of POSerdom with this shitbag. He is a double qualifier what with claiming service in both the 75th Ranger Regiment and the 5th SFG(A). I am just disappointed he didn’t go for the fake CIB with a star. He has a Harley, so the only thing missing is some mongrel pooch as his “service” dog to help him cope with the PTS of D he caught from the trauma of all that imaginary combat he experienced in Germany for five months in the Battle of the Bierhalle.

A Proud Infidel®™️

Maybe he got the PTSD from writing parking tickets as well?

26Limabeans

Looks like his FB is having a “brownout”

thebesig

Brownout is over, still up, with more comments piling on. :mrgreen:

Anonymous

No, not another fake douche with an honor vest! Lost his Top Secret memory in the great records fire of ’73, too. 😉

Charles

If you have the time to look at even more pictures of SPC/SFC/MSG Brown, go to Facebook and pop up the page for:

Elko-POWMIA-Awareness-Association

WARNING: He is apparently the “Commander” (at least, that’s what is says on one photo of him in a beret with Colonel insignia and the word “COMMANDER” on the beret flash) so I suspect he could take down the entire site in a flash.

But it appears that over the years he has worked at least three black vests, varying badges, insignia and patches to suit his mood.

By the way, try not to barf when you scroll down the archive photographs and come to the “Ride for Bowe Bergdahl” pages.

The Stranger

Really? The only ride I would participate in for Bergdahl would be to piss on his grave. I’ve got a few years on him, but I might get lucky and outlive him. I’ve got family on both sides that made it to 100…here’s hoping!

Ex-PH2

How come no one ever fakes being a Bosun’s Mate or a Gunner’s Mate? Or for that matter, a PH or JO?

Mike

Keeping track of the apostrophe is too hard for some..

26Limabeans

Well the South side of Carlin
Is the saddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Lester Brown

Now Lester more than trouble
You see he stand ’bout six foot three
All the downtown ladies call him Less of a Lover
All the men just call him phony

And it’s bad, bad Lester Brown
The saddest man in the whole damned town…..

A Proud Infidel®™

Now Les Brown
Wants attention,
He always wants him more and more
So he puts his Beret and Biker Vest on
And parades just like a whore.

And it’s sad, bad, Lester Brown, Saddest puke in the whole damn town
Sadder than a dirty trough,
Unwanted like a dumb stray dog

PhoeniX

Huh boy, where do I even start? If you want to criticize this Soldier for claiming that he was in the military for 20 years, you’ll need more than what you have. I see a newspaper article saying that, but nowhere do I see any evidence that MSG Brown himself claims it. I personally know that he was in for 20 years, but that’s beside the point. Is he responsible for what the newspaper prints? Now as regards MSG rank, several Special Forces crests, the RANGER tab, a Combat Infantry Badge (CIB) and a patch designating him as a veteran of Desert Storm, you don’t have sufficient evidence here to refute any of that. His 2-1 form would of necessity be incomplete because the Army stopped placing entries on this form many years ago. When that occurred for him is dependent upon his Major Command at the time, not all of them ceased entries at the same time. My personal 2-1 contains less than 1/4 of my data, for example. Even if you had a copy of his DD-214 here (you don’t), you would have to prove that you have ALL of his DD-214’s in order to conclusively refute any claims. I personally have six (yes, I said SIX) DD-214’s because certain changes in status such as going from Title 10 to Title 32 require a separate DD-214. Not one of my DD-214’s cover all of my awards, schools, qualifications or service. Many Servicemen like myself and MSG Brown have portions of our records that are classified and would not be released in response to a FOIA Request. This is even implicitly stated on the form where it identified this as “Information releasable under the Freedom of Information Act”. There are many things in a Serviceman’s record that are NOT releasable. Finally, where is the regulation that covers what can and cannot be displayed on a POW*MIA vest? I have both Navy and Army rank on mine, indicating the highest rank achieved in each service. Can anyone produce a regulation that says I cannot do this? If you want to… Read more »

Chase

You do realize the folks who run this site are extremely versed in gathering military records, right? It’s kind of what they do, y’know? They and their valor guardian partners go so far as to request records themselves to maintain chain of custody of NPRC records. The NPRC provides an official letter stating the authenticity of said records they provide that as a matter of official government documentation. That provides the authentication factor.

His rank as of discharge would not be considered “classified”, nor would the schools he attended. Details of missions, yes, but certainly not publicly releasable and basic information such as his rank at discharge or retirement.

Uncle Sam says he was a Spec 4, not MSG at his discharge. And the guys and gals of Valor Guardians / TAH have him dead to rights for rocking the lie and stealing valor from the men and women who earned what Les can only wish he had accomplished. He is a hero only in his own fantasies.

PhoeniX

Do you even get that nothing you said refutes anything I posted? They presented pieces of his 2-1 Training File and an NA Form 13164, which appears to contain a couple of blocks from a single DD-214. Using this to try to claim stolen valor is just like using 1/2 of your birth certificate to claim you were not a live birth.

“See? Nowhere on the partial piece of documentation I have does it say you were born alive!!! So clearly you weren’t!”

“And look! I have a statement of authenticity proving that the 1/2 of your birth certificate I possess is valid!”

I can produce a Navy DD-214 that clearly states I was an E-4 at the time of discharge (For that period of service). And then produce more DD-214’s that show my rank as E-5, E-6 and E-7. So which is correct? The answer: ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!! Each is simply an indication of what my status was at that moment in time.

How can you not get this?

26Limabeans

you really need to read the FAQ tab at the top of the page Lester.

PhoeniX

How about you just cite some part of it that refutes what I said.

26Limabeans

You might find your answers here:

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=39711

PhoeniX

Okay, I read it. Couldn’t find anything that offered to prove that all of someone’s record was obtained. Couldn’t find anything to refute my statement that multiple DD-214’s could contain multiple discharge dates with different paygrades on each. So you still need to cite something to refute me. Or are you just admitting that you have nothing?

26Limabeans

You are asking for citation to prove you wrong about an asinine statement that everyone here knows is Red Herring bullshit.
You have multiple DD-214’s with multiple discharge dates? Final discharge dates? Good for you. This not about you though. If you would like to make it about you then feel free to send along a signed SF180 and the admin will happily research the matter.
K?

PhoeniX

The more ‘asinine’ a statement is, the easier it is to prove false. And yet somehow you cannot prove that anything I’m posting is false. All you seem able to do is scream at the sky.

The words “Final Discharge Date” don’t appear on any DD-214 that I have, or on any that I have ever seen. Where did you come up with this?
No, it’s not about me. It’s about MSG Brown, who you are attempting to malign even though you don’t know him, he has never harmed you, and you have no evidence for what you assert.

HMCS(FMF) ret

“Classified DD-214”? Someone who is claiming that hey got out as an E-7 should know better. Jeezus, you got fed a load of shit, boy

Someone hit this assclown with a fucking cluebat, ASAP – ’cause he’s talking out of his ass!

PhoeniX

One can always tell how artificially depressed someone’s intelligence is when you try to have a rational debate and all they can respond with is profanity.
In my time in the Navy I worked in several IMA’s (Intermediate Maintenance Activities) repairing nuclear submarines. I worked on Permit, Sturgeon and Los Angeles Class boats. Are you so CERTAIN that my DD-214’s from that period would contain NO classified material?
So WHO EXACTLY should know better?

3/10/MED/b

Just the facts, Ma’am.
Just the facts.

26Limabeans

“Are you so CERTAIN that my DD-214’s from that period would contain NO classified material?”

I would fucking bet the farm on it.

PhoeniX

Yes, you would bet because that doesn’t ever require you to provide proof.
So, can you obtain my DD-214’s, or are they protected by a classification such that they would not be released in response to a FOIA request?

26Limabeans

Your DD-214’s contain PII that is not releasable.
PII is not “classified”

Charles

PhoeniX: Simply ask SPC/SFC/MSG Les Brown to tell you (and the world) in his own words: [With regard to the coveted Black and Gold Ranger Tab and the Ranger Distinctive Unit Insignia you wear]: “What was your Ranger Class Number?” “When and where were you assigned to a Ranger unit?” [With respect to the Special Forces Tab and the Special Forces Distinctive Unit Insignia you wear]: “What was your Special Forces Class Number, and your A Team number?” [With respect to the Special Forces Tab and Parachutist Badge]: “When did you graduate Airborne training? A Class Number or Date would be good.” [With regard to the Master Parachutist Badge]: “When and where did you serve at least three years on jump status with an Airborne unit, making at least 65 parachute jumps? And when and where did you graduate Jumpmaster School?” [With respect to the Combat Infantryman Badge you wear]: “When and where did you serve as an infantryman, assigned to an infantry unit, and engaged in combat with an opposing enemy force?” We would appreciate seeing any orders, diplomas, certificates, etc. from military authorities in support of any of the above awards and decorations. [With respect to retirement after 20 years as a Master Sergeant (this should be an easy one)]: “Hey, Les, reach in your back pocket and pull out your wallet, show the guys your blue United States Uniformed Service Identification Card [DD Form 2 (Retired).” And if has forged one of those, time for a call to the FBI. LAST: PhoeniX, with regard to YOUR statement: “Finally, where is the regulation that covers what can and cannot be displayed on a POW*MIA vest?” Is it the policy of YOUR POW-MIA organization that members can simply pin on any award, decoration, badge, rank, or distinctive unit insignia they want? You know, like a Christmas Tree, make the vest “look pretty.” Or is there at least an implied if not explicit requirement that you do not pin on unearned insignia, at least without a clearly expressed rendering of “IN HONOR OF…”? In this regard I notice that Les… Read more »

Tony180A

Regarding Les Brown serving in The Legion answer 2 questions.

1. What was your ODA#
2. Name of your Tm Sgt

I served 21+ years (straight no PCS) at 5th Group in the same Battalion. The TAH regulars already know the answer as Shitbird Les has followed classic poser TTP.

PhoeniX

Charles,
You seem to be more calm and rational then most of the posters here, so let’s try to figure this out. I would rather converse with you because you’re not throwing any vulgarity at me.
In answer to your comments, how do you figure that the burden of proof is upon MSG Brown? Isn’t he presumed innocent like any citizen of this Republic? And also, if he uploaded a copy of his DD-214’s to you, would you accept them or claim they were forged?

Let’s try this – I’ll ask you simple questions, and you answer them. You ask me questions, and I’ll answer them.

First Question: Is it possible for a serviceman to have more than one DD-214? For instance, if they went from Title 32 to Title 10 and then later went back to Title 32, wouldn’t there be multiple DD-214’s to reflect this?

I am genuinely hoping to have a rational discourse here.

Claw

Charles, before you think about answering, one of the cardinal rules here at TAH is:

“Don’t feed the Trolls/Sockpuppets”/s

PhoeniX

Translation: “we are unable to refute anything he has posted, and as this goes on we just look worse and worse. We should quit while we’re still above water.”

Claw

Nope, the translation reads as:

They are trying to learn everything they can from us to up their Bullshit Poser Game.

PhoeniX

LOL! Any luck getting my 214’s yet?

A Proud Infidel®™

Are you butt-pals with Les Brown after you’re done fluffing towels at Brucie’s bath house (Entrance in the Rear)?

Claw

But you should go over to the Newer Comments side of the house.

There’s a class over there waiting for a teacher to show up.

Charles

Yes, it is possible to have more than one DD Form 214. I have four of them. From as simple as a “discharge” from the USAR Control Group that was my personnel accountability tool during my delay entry program; a reenlistment as a Combat Engineer Sergeant; a discharge from my enlistment contract for the purpose of accepting a commission as a Second Lieutenant upon graduation from Officer Candidate School, to my discharge from Active Duty to finish out my career in the USAR about 16 years after the first DD-214.
So yes, there can be several DD-214’s to document every “break in service.”

And Lester Kent Brown hasn’t shown us one of them.

(Sorry for the delay in replying, you really should add your comments at the end of the main thread since the comments have rolled over into more than one screen page).

Ex-PH2

Gee, I have two DD-214s from TWO SEPARATE enlistment periods.

Nothing odd in that, because it was a break in service periods.

26Limabeans

I also have two for the same enlistment period.
A DD-215 creates a new one each time.

PhoeniX

Ok, great. Now we’re getting somewhere. Next questions:
1) Does it really seem likely that MSG Brown would only have ONE DD-214, when you look at the various dates that this website shows on the NA Form 13164?

2) Is the Army still using the 2-1 Training File to this day, or did they actually stop using this form many years ago? (I think around 1995, but I could be off on that. I can’t find any reference to when it was discontinued.)
And if they stopped using it before MSG Brown’s ETS, doesn’t it stand to reason that not all of his schools and duty assignments would be recorded on it?

Charles

Have you asked Lester Kent Brown when he graduated airborne training?
Have you asked Lester Kent Brown when and where he served three years on jump status? Graduated Jumpmaster training? Made 65 parachute jumps? All of that is required to lawfully wear the Master Parachutist Badge.
Where is that coward anyway? If he is telling the truth, what is his Ranger Class number?
He won’t answer, because he can’t. And you are less of a man for answering for him instead of telling him to grow a pair and show ValorGuardians that they are wrong.
But we aren’t wrong, are we Lester Kent Brown?

Tony180A

Charles, for some strange reason non of the jumpers are getting in Les Brown’s line for JMPI. Let’s make it easy. Les you drew the short straw so you have to conduct MACO/Manifest and sustained airborne training. Go get em jumpmaster!

26Limabeans

He may have been in the same class as Mike Sleeper and Daniel Reed.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=80342

26Limabeans

Found his class:

https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/ranger

Well, at least this narrows it down.

HMCS(FMF) ret

SOCK IN THE WIRE
SOCK IN THE WIRE
HIT TH FOO GAS!

Chase

I almost yelled that in my first response, but I was awaiting confirmation.

A Proud Infidel®™

ATTENTION KMART SHOPPERS, SOCKPUPPET CLEANUP IN AISLE 13!!!

A Proud Infidel®™

*Grabbing another beer and making Nachos in anticipation of the show to come*

Morgan Blake

Please post your “Classified DD-214” and that would allow us start the day with a good laugh.

You either 1) HAVE to know that a DD-214 is never classified or 2) you don’t know.

Either way, you are showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.

As far as the patches, rank, and insignia on a POW-MIA vest – although probably no guidance, it is a deception to present yourself as a certain rank that you never held, were stationed with units (i.e. SF) you were never a part of or had qualifications (i.e. RANGER) that you never attained.

I don’t think anyone is saying there is a violation of regulations, but we are saying it is intentionally deceptive and unethical.

Try and avoid straw man arguments and people may take you more seriously.

PhoeniX

Even if I was insane enough to post any of my DD-214’s there’s no way you would accept them as genuine, that’s the next part of your little game. You would scream that they were fakes. So what’s the point?

You either 1) HAVE to know that DD-214’s carry a classification that prevents them from being to released in response to a FOIA request or 2) you don’t know.
Either way this is simple. Request my DD-214’s from St. Louis and see how far you get.

“As far as the patches, rank, and insignia on a POW-MIA vest – although probably no guidance”
Well, that’s something I guess. It appears you did a little research and determined that there really is no such guidance. But of course you can’t come out and admit this.

“it is a deception to present yourself as a certain rank that you never held, were stationed with units (i.e. SF) you were never a part of or had qualifications (i.e. RANGER) that you never attained.”
Yes, I agree. But you have no evidence that this is the case with MSG Brown. And how come no one here ever tries to offer evidence to refute any of my comments, for instance as regards the portions of MSG Brown’s 2-1 Training File presented on this site? It’s all well and fine to claim I’m making asinine statements and Red Herring BS, but in the absence of proof they are just posting pablum.

SFC D

As sock puppets go, you’re substandard. Tell Les we said hi.

26Limabeans

“Request my DD-214’s from St. Louis and see how far you get”

That would require a signed SF-180.
The FOIA will get you everything except PII and maybe some test scores.

The classified parts won’t be there because THERE ARE NONE!

Your PII is protected. The rest of your record is public information.

A Proud Infidel®™

“There are many things in a Serviceman’s record that are NOT releasable.

Finally, where is the regulation that covers what can and cannot be displayed on a POW*MIA vest?”

KEEP the laughs a-comin’!

Ex-PH2

Oh, geezo-pete, phoenix, you are so stupid it hurts to respond to you.

DD-214s are NOT CLASSIFIED documents, you moron.

NOT CLASSIFIED, period!!!

Also, I can sew a whole bunch of WWII badges on my bomber jacket (one that I MADE MYSELF) but that doesn’t mean I served during World War II, does it?

You are too gullible for words if you fall for his crap.

3/10/MED/b

Ex-PH2 with a bomber jacket?

Sister Mary Grace is NOT bringing the ruler to your desk.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Looks at what website he’s linked his name to:

http://www.elkonvpowmia.org/

Not a good thing… a rep talking out of his ass about things he’s not aware of.

Sandman

Sorry hit the report button by accident. That said, can someone post up the Poser 101 guide list for the new folks so they can know which level of posery this individual is at. I’m think between step 3 and 4, but can’t be sure.

26Limabeans
3/10/MED/b

Quoting Chase, “You do realise…”

Popcorn and tea at the ready, over;

Ex-PH2

It’s going to hurt when he lands, isn’t it?

3/10/MED/b

Sorry, ‘realiZe’

Daisy Cutter

Well, well… looks like someone by the moniker of PhoeniX is selling some Top “Wulf Tickets” this morning.

http://www.elkonvpowmia.org/board.html

Tell us – how does a man like you that is perfectly willing to put out bad information about service records, a man that is perfectly willing to circle the wagons around a known liar, and a man perfectly willing to bad mouth other veterans get to a position such as yours?

Wouldn’t part of your job be to uphold the integrity of veterans and their military experiences ACCURATELY? The keyword being ‘ACCURATELY.’

You seem to promote the idea that a man can wear whatever he wants to and in turn promote any false accomplishment he feels he is entitled to.

Since you are an advocate of people being allowed to make false claims – Have you ever made one yourself? Oh, that’s right… your military records are classified. So you’ve already made one.

Here’s another:

“Not one of my DD-214’s cover all of my awards, schools, qualifications or service.”

If this is true, your last DD-214 is flawed because it should have everything that your previous ones listed. If it doesn’t – THAT’S YOUR FAULT. Each serviceman is given the opportunity to review their DD-214 before signing it. Later in life, to make a statement that DD-214s don’t have all of the information and citing your own as an example is simply goofy.

Your knowledge in regard to military records is flawed and incomplete. It’s astonishing that you get on a public forum and show your ignorance.

26Limabeans

“to raise the level of public awareness”

Heh, that’s the same thing TAH does.