Repost: A Modern Thanksgiving Tradition of Sorts

| November 25, 2021

From several years ago. Happy Thanksgiving, all.

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Because of the date of the original incident, this song has become a minor Thanksgiving tradition on many modern radio stations. This should also bring back a few memories for our Vietnam-era readers; hopefully, at this point, the passage of time has made them reasonably mellow ones. Enjoy.


 

For what it’s worth: the song actually is based – loosely – on a real event. Alice was a real person (Alice Brock); Alice had indeed purchased an old church (Trinity Church) and lived in same with her husband Ray as depicted in the song.

Arlo Guthrie and a friend, Richard Robbins, really were arrested for illegal littering in Stockbridge, MA, on Thanksgiving Day, 1965 – after they hauled off some of the Brocks’ garbage, found all local dumps closed, and illegally dumped the trash elsewhere. The arresting officer actually did look through the garbage to find a clue (the Brock’s address on an envelope), leading to Guthrie’s and Robbins’ arrest.

The judge that later heard the case actually was blind, and the arresting officer was named William J. “Obie” Obanhein – sometimes referred to as, yes, “Officer Obie”. (The judge’s use of a seeing-eye dog, the famous “twenty-seven 8 by 10 color glossy photos”, and much of the rest of the song’s purported dialog and/or events may well be satirical exaggeration on Guthrie’s part). They pleaded guilty to littering and creating a public nuisance and were indeed fined $25 each – or $50 total.

Guthrie was later called for the draft (some accounts say he tried to voluntarily enlist). Whether his attempted entry into the military was voluntary or not, he was indeed disqualified for military service based on his criminal record (his guilty plea to the crimes of littering and creating a public nuisance and resulting in the payment of a $25 fine).

Though the song was at the time considered anti-war and adopted by the antiwar movement, Guthrie has long said the song was not written as an antiwar song. Rather, he says he wrote it more as an “anti-stupidity” song.

I have to say he has at least a partial point. Disqualifying someone for military service because of a guilty plea to the crime of littering at a time of manpower demand so extreme it led to Project 100,000 (AKA MacNamara’s “Moron Corps”) does seem to fail the “WTF?” test. Then again, all of us who’ve served already know that the Five-Sided Asylum often seems to regard common sense as a disqualifying trait for, well, pretty much anything. (smile)

Again: Happy Thanksgiving, all. And remember:

You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
(Excepting Alice)
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant
Walk right in it’s around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want
At Alice’s
Restaurant!

Category: "Truth or fiction?", Pointless blather, Who knows

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Odie

Morning all and happy Thanksgiving.

Hatchet

Thanks for reminding me, Hondo. Definitely, one of my all-time favourite movies. A very Happy Thanksgiving to all adorable-deplorable TAH denizens.

Anonymous

…”See the psychiatrist, Room 604″ on the album.

Hatchet

With veins between my teeth, eat’n dead burnt bodies!!!

Yeah, loved this movie. Definitely a CLASSIC.

Thanks again for posting it.

KoB

I give Thanks for the Blast from our Past Hondo!

Thanks for the reminder of just how ancient many of us are?…Not.so.much! “Just take these old records off the shelf…”

CRS

The comment about Project 100,000 reminds me of my time at Ft Lewis in 1966-’68. As a young Artillery 1LT I was the OIC of the Mortar Committee at the Infantry Training Center. One Monday morning as I approached the training area I heard the voice of SGT Gonzales. I had expected to hear the voice of SSG Ledbetter. Then I realized Gonzales was speaking Spanish! SFC Camancho, the section OIC, approached me to explain… Read more »

Graybeard

I remember when I first heard it on the radio.
For some reason (high-school aged boys are stupid, ‘K?) I was awake at 2:00 a.m. and had my radio on, when the DJ played it in its entirety.
It was too long for regular play in the daytime slots, as they needed/wanted more commercials then. That changed as the song’s popularity rose, I believe.
Surprised still I didn’t wake my brother laughing.

Boiling Mad CPO

A few years ago, I brought up on a website called “Rally Point” this very question on Project 100,000. Only we in the Navy called them Cat 4. Rally Point is a place where service people can ask some question and see what other service people think about it. Well, my question was in 2 parts. 1. Does any one remember Cat 4 people and what happened to the ones in your outfit. 2. Does… Read more »

Anonymous

Sadly, there’s a lot history of superiors mis-hearing sh*t as what they want to answer. Interesting Rorshach test on occasion for some of ’em.

CRS

Yes, the Project 100,000 troops were CAT 4. But remember those “intelligence” tests were written. If you can’t read, you don’t score well.

Anonymous

Mother rapers, father stabbers, father rapers… sittin’ on the bench next to me!

I’m just sittin’ here in the Group W bench, I mean, I’m sittin’ here on the Group W bench ’cause you wanna know if I’m moral enough to join the Army, burn women and kids’ houses and villages, after being a litterbug.

President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight

I can hear that in Arlo’s voice…..

“Iiiiiii don’t want a pickle…..”

Typed from memory.

“I just wanna ride on my motorsickle… “

Topski

“I have a friend who’s name is Mike,
Mike no longer owns a bike”

nobunny

Happy Thanksgiving Hondo!

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

When the movie came out, I was working for an A/C outfit out of Hicksville, Long Island and we were doing work in a movie theater up in Conneticut and they were showing the movie along with Midnight Cowboy back in 1969.

David

Station KXOK got on a kick of play Inagaddadavida, full version, EVERY WEEKNIGHT, at 10PM. After a couple of weeks of this, became a good reason to listen to any other station at 10. Eventually DJ Johnny Rabbit said “if they fire me, they fire me!” and played ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ instead. He got fired. Fan protest was huge, he got rehired, fans were happy, and few realized it was a great publicity stunt. St. Louis,… Read more »

Odie

I believe Johnny rabbit is still around. I believe Saturday night on kmox.

David

Really? Thot he retired. Usedta listen to him in the mid-60s, 55 years ago. Dude’s gotta be OLD.

Odie

Looked up johny rabbit, and yes he is still around. He was anyway as of 2020. 9p to 1a Saturdays on kmox. Depending on where you live, kmox reaches waaayyyyy out after the sun goes down. Wisconsin to Texas, Western Pennsylvania to Albuquerque.

50k watts I guess helps too.

rgr769

Ahh, yes, Project 100K, the program to enlist the semi-retarded into the Army. The only thing missing is trying to train them for MOS’s that require an IQ greater than 90.

SFC D

Project 100k was before my time in service, but I did have a product of it as a PSG in 1989. Dumbest sumbitch I ever encountered in 24 years of active federal service.

Anonymous

Concur. My branch rediscovered Cat IV enlistees in a certain MOS with 4A+2B bonus to get numbers in the ’90s and later. Knew one dude who took ASVAB 6x to pass it.

timactual

When I first heard that song I, too, snickered at the stupidity of the local police getting so overwrought about a little (1/2 ton is little?) littering. Several years later I moved to rural Massachusetts,and my opinion changed. One such incident may be a cute joke, but when you constantly see your environment degraded with bags of garbage by the side of the road it ain’t funny or cute anymore; First offense with a small… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

Seems like the CCP may have read that one.

Sparks

Thanks for the fond memories Hondo. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Thunderstixx Thunder

I used to know the entire thing by heart and recited it many times on the front porch of our Vietnam Veteran guitar player.
I still remember most of it like I still remember the CDB “Uneasy Rider” “I wonder if anybody’s think I flipped, if I went to LA, via Omaha” !!!
Good times in a town where hogs and cattle each outnumbered people in both species !!!