Columbus Day Open Thread

| October 12, 2021

Portrait of Christopher Columbus with a spyglass. (Gettyimages/askmehow)

Many may have renamed this day, others want this day to be canceled. But, many of us here are just happy with Columbus Day as is. Happy Columbus Day!

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  1. 5JC says:

    I guess we have gone full circle on all this…

    As Bart Simpson would say… “the ironing is delicious”….

  2. Sapper3307 says:

    Life imitates art from South Park.

  3. USAFRetired says:

    Let’s call it Amerigo Vespucci Day.

    Lets move Juneteenth to 6 December when slavery was abolished in the US with the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

    Let’s keep Veteran’s Day exactly where it is so the Marines can continue to have a day to recover from the festivities of the Marine Corps Birthday (10 Nov) For a Service born in a bar (Tun Tavern) hangovers seem appropriate

  4. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    As Stephen Pinker points out in “History of Violence” the archaeological record does not support the myth of the noble savage living in peaceful harmony singing Kumbaya and sharing their resources….in fact the archaeological record dispels a great deal of the notion that the indigenous peoples were living harmoniously until Columbus showed up…the rather significant number of bones with clear arrow, spear, and blunt force trauma on them indicates the reality of life prior to Columbus.

    That entire races of people were either assimilated or reduced to tiny fractions of their pre-Columbus days is indeed a tragedy of no small proportion. But the reality of trying to view the past through the lens of modern morality, along with distortions of that past does very little service to anyone seeking some sort of “truth” about “justice and equity”.

    Columbus represents the initial collision of state of the art (for their time) European societies with non-agricultural based forager societies more nomadic in nature and with limited, if any, advanced technology.

    Celebrate it, consider it, mark it however is appropriate for you. But let’s stop the pretense that history was filled with utopian societies living in peace and harmony with one another until the white guys showed up from Europe….

    The conquest of resources by one group of at the expense of another exists among every other species on the planet same as it does with humans with rare exceptions. Humanity for most of its existence on this planet has been no different. WW2 was almost exclusively fought over considerations of access to raw material resources around the globe.

    But it was ever thus…

    • KoB says:

      Spot on VOV! Nailed It. Problem is, history has not really been taught in the public school system for decades now. They give the kids just enough to pass the mandated tests.

      Columbus is just taking the rap for what is basically, man’s inhumanity to man. Been that way since Cain picked up that rock.

      Rest easy Bobby Lee…19 January 1807 – 12 October 1870.

    • rgr769 says:

      You are absolutely correct. The myth of the noble savage living in harmony with nature was created by romanticists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The native peoples of this hemisphere were frequently ruthless killers that were human predators of everything they encountered both animal and human. Anyone or any creature outside the tribe was fair game. The only reason they are reputed to have lived in harmony with mother nature is because they did not have the ability to make much of an impact on the wilderness. However, with the advent of the horses imported by the Europeans, they suddenly had the means to run down the buffalo. One tactic they used was to stampede them over a cliff. There is a painting of this tactic in the museum in Cody, Wy. It shows the Indians stampeding a herd of buffalo off a cliff known as “Buffalo Jump.”

      If you want to see an accurate picture of Native American culture, watch the movie, “Black Robe.” They were known as savages for good reason. I am not excusing the ruthless enslavement of the Carribean tribes by the Spanish, but there was plenty of abuse to go around in both cultures. Columbus, for all his faults, had little to do with the mistreatment of native peoples. Something these revisionist historians like Howard Zinn completely ignore.

  5. Claw says:

    Six to eight inches of snow on the ground here at Stately Claw Manor with winds upward of 20+ MPH.

    Scooby was not a happy camper when he went out to drop a load.

    • MarineDad61 says:

      Steaming pile season is underway in New Hampshire.
      Wish I were in New Hampshire.

      The only steaming piles in my area
      are the heavy dump trucks of manure.
      They back up traffic on 2 lane state and US highways.
      But it’s better to be stuck behind a load of steaming manure,
      than a load that’s not steaming.

      • Green Thumb says:

        Steaming pile season is always underway at many locations as there are many animals and people that leave steaming piles of Phil Monkress on yards and in porta jons everyday!

    • ChipNASA says:

      OK Santa, how are you and the Elves doing? Jebus, it’s frecking OCTOBER. Where do you live, Mount Washington??
      Kidding. You must be out in the 4 corner’s area or Wyoming.
      God’s Country. But kinda far from the beach though. (for me)
      I was in Okinawa for a year and a half, Sommer and “Other”, then from 97 feet ASL, to Colorado Springs, 7,000 + ASL, Winter and “Other”.

      • Claw says:

        The Grand Targhee Resort Stick of Truth (on Tube of the You) shows six inches of snowfall overnight.

        Tigger got buried./s

        • SFC D says:

          My old backyard, Claw. My Dad was the maintenance manager there for a spell, and it was my very first non-agricultural place of employment. When I started skiing there (1972) an all day, all lift ticket was $4.50. It’s now $85.00. I’d love to move back there, but it’s been Californicated.

  6. Green Thumb says:

    I wonder what tribal affiliation the False Commander “Phony” Phil Monkress (CEO of All-Points Logistics) is claiming today as it is my understanding that All-Points Logistics is calling it Indigenous People’s Day.

  7. 26Limabeans says:

    The Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria.
    Happy Columbus Day everyone.

  8. MarineDad61 says:

    Now pegging…. the analog bullshit meter, on…
    1 – Dog Doo the Attention Hunter
    2 – New York Post, for turning Dog Doo beliefs into a story
    (and a FakeBook post).

    [Dog the Bounty Hunter:
    Brian Laundrie called parents ‘from the scene’ of Gabby Petito’s death]

  9. ChipNASA says:

    OK MD, I Q take just about all the things you post with a grain, BUT< I'm all in on this one, (even though I used to watch his "show" back in the day.)

    “Dog Doo the Attention Hunter.”

  10. Anonymous says:

    Indigenous American Peoples’ Opression by Imperialist Racist Evil White Future RethugliKKKans Day or something, comrade!

    Did I get it right, Lars?

  11. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Remember that the Mayans and Aztecs were still performing Human Sacrifices at their temples as well as North American Tribes going to war against each other and practicing slavery with those they captured when Columbus arrived, but Happy Indigenous Day anyway!

    • rgr769 says:

      Studied the Aztecs in college in a class taught by one of the foremost authorities. They were a vicious culture that staged faux “flower wars” for the sole purpose of capturing prisoners for use in their human sacrifices. Remember what our people thought about serial killer Buffalo Bill. Aztec “priests” used to flay their victims so they could wear their skins. If you want to see what their wonderful “civilization” and indigenous culture was like watch the movie, “Apocalypto.”

      • 26Limabeans says:

        Those Pygmies that captured Tarzan were pretty gruesome.
        They would bend two trees over on opposite sides of the
        victim, lashing their legs to the crossed ends.
        When they cut the safety rope the trees straighten up
        ripping the victim in half.
        Tarzan escaped that time but a few of his crew “split” on him….

    • Graybeard says:

      For an account of what life was like among the Great Lake tribes, see “History of the Ojibway People” by William W. Warren (an Ojibway who collected the stories from the tribal elders). ISBN0-87351-162-X (Spoiler alert: it was bloody)

      • rgr769 says:

        There is also a book titled “Captured by the INdians” that is a collection of first person accounts of people who had the misfortune of being captured by Native American tribes during the period of the 1650’s up past the Civil War. Needless to say, being a slave to an American Indian tribe was much worse than being a black slave in the U.S. south in the early 19th Century. Since the noble redman didn’t pay many hundreds of dollars for their slaves, their only value to the tribe was the amount of work they could be forced to perform. Thus, the old, sick or injured were quickly dispatched. Plus, some American native tribes had a shocking level of cruelty toward anyone who was not a member of the tribe.

        • Hack Stone says:

          Some American native tribes had a shocking level of cruelty toward anyone who was not a member of the tribe. Sounds like they rewarded their friends and punished their enemies. Now where have we heard that expression before?

    • 5JC says:

      Aztec cannibalism coincided with times of harvest and should be thought of as more of a Thanksgiving. No really, that is actual scholarly thinking. While we would consider such acts barbaric it was the way people were raised and lived.

      For a good read on Aztec culture try “Aztec” by Gary Jennings. It was controversial when it came out but has been accepted as generally accurate since then.

    • C2Show says:

      Lol Weirdest link of calling out indigenous. Is that supposed to be a way to equal guilt or justification for what Columbus did back in the day? Mayans and Aztecs, sure? Mayans giving Aztecs old world problems such as disease? Just curious…

      Got anything for United States indian tribes?

      Surprised you didnt post anything on slaves beating up slaves on Black History month. Or did I miss that part?

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        Would you like some cheese to go with that Whine? I’m all out of Acme® White Guilt Butthurt Ointment™ so you’re on your own there!

  12. MarineDad61 says:

    Today’s news….
    on our local January 6 cop macer face paint knucklehead.

    BONUS – In today’s court docs now floating around FakeBook and Twitter,
    Samuel Lazar’s lawyer made the outrageous claim
    that Samuel Lazar took his bullhorn to D.C. and the Capitol
    to amplify “Christian music.”

    The judge rolled eyes at that bullshit,
    and then read off his string of FaceBook posts and rants over the past year,
    including ALL the expletives.
    F bomb city in court today.

    He will sit in jail in Philadelphia (NOT D.C.) until trial.
    It still won’t add up to his eventual sentence.
    PHONY Back the Blue knucklehead.

    [U.S. asks judge to keep accused Capitol rioter in jail ahead of trial]

  13. Graybeard says:

    In the Great State of Texas, the Gov has issued an Executive Order forbidding any business from requiring its employees or customers be vaccinated:

    The Special Session agenda gives the possibility that the Executive Order be passed into Texas law.

  14. ChipNASA says:

    I stole this from Book of Fake where one of our own posted it so giving credit where credit is due AND not repeating the subject matter or their identifier, (thrice) lest they appear…

    Poor Braindead H.S. in Minnesota.

  15. Hack Stone says:

    Taking this opportunity to announce to one and and all that Hack Stone did not hack Maxine Waters. Even Hack Stone has his standards, but not too sure about the rest of you Adorable Deplorables.

    • 26Limabeans says:

      She appears to have a new wig hat and her eyebrows have indeed been raised.
      But that mask leaves me longing for her signature scowl.
      Facial expression is an important part of lying through your teeth.

  16. I thought that today was Monday since banks and post office closed yesterday like on Sundays. Soon as I finish this comment, I’m going up to the store room and put air in the bicycle tires and see how the old rotator cuff handles the handlebars after the June 8th rotator cuff surgery. Stopped the PT Sessions last week on Monday and doing my own PT at home with bands and pulleys C-clamped to the sliding indoor porch door. Had to modify 2 pulleys out of four to fit the bands. Started bench pressing 5Lb. dumbells and my left arm shudders on the lift, so little by little I’ll get there.

  17. Hack Stone says:

    Hack Stone just left his part time gig, since he had to do something to pay the bills until Psaul clears up those payroll issues with the financial institute that handles our paychecks, and happened upon a demonstration in Crystal City that appears to have an issue with “big oil”. Hack Stone got a clue when he saw attendees holding signs reading “fight big oil”. The crowd was being entertained by what Hack surmised to be a Native American, or what we are currently calling Indigenous, beating on a drum and chanting. So all of these squishy headed tofu binging elitists want to do away with “big oil”. Guess they never knew the tens of thousands of dollars that “big oil” give to Native Americans for mineral rights. Back when Hack was in North Dakota, it was something like $30,000 when they turned 18. They would take that money, throw a huge party, take what was left to buy a Trans Am, and when they got done abusing the car, they would push it off of a cliff. Then they would wait for the next guy to turn 18 and repeat.

    • 5JC says:

      They know.

      The biggest supporters of Keystone were the Canadian tribal land holders. They lost untold billions in revenue, jobs and economic growth. And shame on them for wanting a better life than what the left is doling out in welfare. Joe Biden crushed the life out of them with a pen. And now we have $120 oil.

  18. SFC D says:

    Questionable source. Please do not read for 48 hours in order to ensure accuracy.