Frederick Douglass Statue Toppled

| July 6, 2020

Several news outlets, including Newser, have reported that a Frederick Douglass statue in Rochester New York has been vandalized.

Frederick Douglass Statue Toppled

Abolitionist gave ‘What to the Slave is the Fourth of July’ speech in Rochester in 1852

A statue of abolitionist Frederick Douglass was ripped from its base in Rochester, NY, on the anniversary of one of his most famous speeches, delivered in that city in 1852. Police said the statue of Douglass was taken on Sunday from Maplewood Park, a site along the Underground Railroad where Douglas and Harriet Tubman helped shuttle slaves to freedom, the AP reports. The statue was found at the brink of the Genesee River gorge about 50 feet from its pedestal, police said. There was damage to the base and a finger.

In Rochester on July 5, 1852, Douglass gave the speech “What to the Slave is the Fourth of July,” in which he called the celebration of liberty a sham in a nation that enslaves and oppresses its black citizens. To a slave, Douglass said, Independence Day is “a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim.” Carvin Eison, a leader of the project that brought the Douglass statue to the park, told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle that another statue will take its place because the damage is too significant. “Is this some type of retaliation because of the national fever over confederate monuments right now? Very disappointing, it’s beyond disappointing,” Eison told WROC.

As with all statues being torn down, these actions are difficult to assign motives to.  So it makes me wonder how Mr. Eison is quick to float the possibility that it is retaliation even though he poses it as a question.  He may be right, but more importantly, he may be wrong.

There was some speculation as to why the Ulysses S. Grant statue was torn down given Grant’s stand on slavery as well as his dedication to fighting for the Union.

Then, what about the statue town down of abolitionist Hans Christian Heg?

Maybe the people that tore these statues down are not that good with history?

This is all a terrible trend.  My point in all of this is since the people tearing down the statues want to be anonymous, the motives for tearing them down also remain elusive.

This is why there should be petitions, discussions, and votes.  This would put this all out in the open.  Instead, when someone doesn’t get their way they impose their will on the rest of us.

 

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  1. UpNorth says:

    Maybe the statues are being torn down is because the unwashed mobs are just plain old ignoranuses? Just a thought.

  2. Old tanker says:

    Just another cases of barbarism. Everything that stands for the accomplishments of the nation must be removed so the “new world order” ie Marxism can take it’s place.

  3. 2banana says:

    “We’re going to beat Donald Trump. And when we do, we won’t just rebuild this nation — we’ll transform it”

    Joe Biden, July 5, 2020

    • MustangCryppie says:

      Hmmm. Where have I heard THAT before?

      And Pervo Joe probably thinks it’s an original thought of his.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      “You won’t recognize it after we regain power”

      • Thunderstixx says:

        Hitler said that his armies would parade in the Soviet Headquarters of Red Square….
        He was right, 57,000 of them paraded through Red Square in 1944 immediately following the Soviet Army’s Operation Bagration.
        Most German POW’s perished either in the march to the Gulag POW camps or perished while there due to abuse, starvation, being worked to death or even just plain suicide.
        If you were a German soldier of any stripe, you had very little chance to survive the camps.
        It is said that about 5,000 of all the German soldiers captured, only about 5,000 of them survived long enough to make it back to Germany in about 1950…

  4. Daisy Cutter says:

    Newsflash: all humans are flawed, even our heroes.

    If perfection is the criterion, we would have no statues. Well, except for horses, lions and gargoyles.

    • Graybeard says:

      I’ve known flawed horses, too, but BZ. You are spot on.

    • The Other Whitey says:

      There was that one guy who walked on water, about 2,000 years ago, but He got nailed to a cross…

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        TOW, I think I have read of that fella. He came from a humble background, believe His trade was as a carpenter. He liked to fish, take long walks, could make a buffet meal out of hardly nothing, could even ferment water into wine for matrimonial occasions. Had heard He could be a real rabble rouser, cop an attitude, grabbing up a whip, turning over tables, running folks He didn’t approve out out of building and such. Pissed off some bankers and old school court officials too. I think pissing off them court officials is what got Him in trouble with them. And, naturally, the gubmint washed their hands of the whole problem. Damn shame that His own kind turned on Him. Least ways, that was the James King Version.

  5. 2banana says:

    Hardly.

    It is the exact SOP of marxists everywhere it is tried.

    Destroy and erase history. Take away the pride and culture from the masses.

    They will then be open to transformation without question. And have nothing to compare it to.

    The same has happened in North Korea, Cambodia, China, Russia, Zimbabwe, the French Commune, etc.

    “This is all a terrible trend. My point in all of this is since the people tearing down the statues want to be anonymous, the motives for tearing them down also remain elusive.”

    • Graybeard says:

      Just what I was thinking.

      This is evidence of the Marxists attempting to destroy Western Civilization entirely.

      • 2banana says:

        The communists/marxists need to erase history so nobody can question their new path forward.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          Without any sense of irony, the Marxists insist everything must be within the State, nothing is ever outside the State and nothing is allowed against the State.

    • Thunderstixx says:

      The best part of all of this is that the ones simply crying for a real revolution have no idea what is involved and what the ramifications of said revolution might possibly be.
      Without fail we have watched the left continue to make demands of America, Americans and American corporations, organizations etc…
      The sad part is that most of the corporations jumped at the chance to get ahead of the sjw howler monkeys.
      Organizations like Nascar, NFL and a host of others and corporations like Target, Walmart etc have also jumped at the chance to show the world just how much they support the morons that acrtually want them to go belly up as fast as they can get them to go that direction…
      Little do the organizations realize that their movement toward the left will not supply them with new customers but will hasten their vanishing because the rest of America isn’t so stupid as to jump at the chance to commit suicide, literally, financially or figuratively…
      And the “piece de resistance'” they call the cops to have the police protect them at a defund the police march…..
      They have no idea what they are doing and no clue as to what will really happen if they actually get the wish they are wishing for…..

  6. 5th/77th FA says:

    “…some type of retaliation…”

    Yep, that’s what happened…all of the other statues came to life, marched on Rochester NY, ripped Mr. Douglas off of his base, and throwed his abolitionist self into the river. /s/

    No, that’s not what happened…It was all of the Confederate Battle Flags that can no longer fly over Cemeteries, flew up to Rochester NY, formed themselves into a noose and lynched the statue. /s/

    Belay all of that. As I have commented on many a time, this destruction of History was never about All Things Confederate, or about every person not of color being “raciss”, or systemic racism. This is a systemic attack on American History, our way of life, and the desire of foreign and domestic enemies to destroy who we are and where we have been.

    Unless we stop this, it is coming to a Monument near you…soon!

  7. Andy11M says:

    At this point, everyone of these idiots wants to get in on it, none of them knew or cared who the statue was made to honor, just that it had to be torn down. My dad once tried to explain to me looking backwards 50+ years what it was like in the 60s when he was in college and the feeling most people had ti what was going on then, and now I think I can really start to understand.

  8. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Any and all respect I even remotely had for that movement went out the window and down the sewers long ago, I see them as little more than mobs of “useful idiots” funded by herders paid for by the likes of Soros and other rich human filth! The Hollywierd crowd, what bandwagon did they jump on? That’s right, they brayed about paying the bail for the rioting maggots and abandoned the Small Business Owners whose livelihood was looted and burnt, fuck them too! They acted like the braying maggots they are on the Confederate Statues and continued to be the idiots they truly are on every one they come across. Not only the likes of Lincoln and Grant, but also Matthias Baldwin and other Abolitionists and now Fredrick Douglas. I’m interested to see if anyone else sees any of them as anything other than a bunch of indoctrinated braying MAGGOTS that need to be incarcerated? I’ve also seen that the IDIOT D-rat mayors that allowed that to happen starting with Minneapolis are now bawling for federal money to bail them out, IMHO that’s like setting your house on fire and demanding your neighbors to pay for it to be rebuilt!

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      “Marxist Revolution”

      It requires desperate angry downtrodden masses, so the Marxist Revolutionary must produce as much misery as possible.

      It also tends to hide the insane dysfunction of Marxism, long enough to fit everyone with their chains.

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        I agree and I also wonder how many of the “useful idiots” in that crowd some from Middle Class homes and were brainwashed in publik shcoolz and colleges?

      • Hack Stone says:

        Stalin did a pretty good job of purging any traces of his comrades who ended up on his shit list. How is this any different?

  9. 11B-Mailclerk says:

    The Left decrees that minorities must not be depicted as heroic, respectable, free, successful, liberated, etc. They may only be referenced, off-camera, as victims of oppression fundamental to skin color.

    Thus, the Marxist exposes himself as racist and supremacist.

    Eventually, due to the dictates of Marxists, Dr King’s Monument will go too. They have to destroy his legacy and memory, as it stands in direct conflict with Marxist Revolution. Ultimately, as he doesn’t support Marxism and Marxist Revolution, he too will be considered “fascist” and destroyed.

  10. SFC D says:

    This has become mob violence and destruction just for the sake of destruction. It’s no longer a protest or demonstration. It’s feral humans destroying history just because it’s fun. They’re to ignorant, uneducated, or indoctrinated to grasp the concept that they’re not doing anyone any good.

    Tucson has a statue of Pancho Villa. Nobody seems to want to tear it down. He never did anything good for anyone in the USA, but there he sits, on his horse, looking majestic.

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g60950-d7122044-i112326701-Taste_of_Tucson_Downtown-Tucson_Arizona.html

    • Ret_25X says:

      If only that was a low light of Tucson…but alas…there is far, far worse….

      Not to mention any specifics…miracle mile..cough cough…

    • NHSparky says:

      Funny how nobody has torn down the statue of Lenin in Seattle.

      I’d love to ask Lars why not, but I’m guessing I won’t get a cogent answer from him, just a lot of squawking and shitting everywhere.

      • LC says:

        I don’t know what Lars would say, but I was curious, and googled it, and literally all of the top articles about it talk about the controversy, and how there have been pushes to remove or replace it.

        I just glanced through a few, and there certainly wasn’t any sort of strong defense of the statue – rather, plenty of efforts to replace it. The one article I did see that was light on that notion focused on the very different role Confederate statues have compared to the Lenin one.

        All in all, I’m guessing most liberals who are all for tearing down Confederate statues would be just fine with taking down the Lenin one, too.

        • SFC D says:

          I would’ve thought Lenin would be higher on the “must destroy” list than Frederick Douglass, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or many of the other statues that heve been purged. I guess not. Most of the protesters probably think he wrote “Imagine”.

          • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

            Hell, those maggots even vandalized a statue of Jimi Hendrix!

          • LC says:

            You’re asking for measured reasoning from angry people – those two things don’t often go hand in hand. Look at the people -typically on the right, mind you- who freak out about their ‘constitutional right’ not to wear a mask inside a private store. Is their right really being infringed? No, but they’re angry, and not thinking clearly. But we try not to judge the real concerns people have – like not being able to earn a living because your business isn’t essential, or glorifying the Confederacy – with the stupid things some people do in ‘support’ of those more reasonable goals. Consider it a civilian form of ‘friendly fire’.

            As for Confederate statues vs. Lenin, you can make an argument the latter is far worse, but to paraphrase, ‘all grievances are local’ – just as we’re more upset about masks, or toppling statues, than ethnic cleansing or child labor in far-away places.

            I don’t agree with it all, but I think that’s still a reasonable take.

            • Slow Joe says:

              Strawman alert.

              All conservatives know private businesses have the right to ask people to wear a mask if they want.

              You fail, once again.

              • LC says:

                Really? All conservatives do? So you’re saying those people who are complaining about private businesses requiring them to wear masks, while wearing Trump hats or shirts, are not conservatives?

                Oh, I can play this game too – “All liberals know Frederick Douglass didn’t support slavery.” See how stupid that sounds in light of current events?

                Try again, Joe.

                • Ret_25X says:

                  No, all “liberals” DO NOT know this.

                  Where would they have learned it?

                  Frederick Douglas isn’t even mentioned in my youngest child’s high school history texts. She graduated in 2005.

                  Libertarians and conservatives know him because he is a hero to them in a very close sense.

                  Neo-liberals know him because he is/was an ideological enemy as well as a personal threat to their self identity.

                  But Marxists know precisely dick about history or human nature. If they did know anything they would not be Marxists.

                  Which is why they are violent.

            • Ret_25X says:

              OK…riddle me this batman…if the “right” (there is no such thing as a political “right”, but we will use this vapid and meaningless term–and yes, I know what you think it means), how many government facilities, businesses and homes have been burned by these “angry” people?

              I’ll wait.

              Your assertion is rejected.

              As for the “left” (and no, this term doesn’t really mean much at this point either), how much destruction and loss of life has come from them?

              I’m sure it was “mostly peaceful”, eh?

              Please, spare us the fallacious comparisons.

              • LC says:

                Maybe I’m getting lost in your hand-wavy attempts to redefine things like ‘left’ and ‘right’, but what is it you’re asking? You want to know how many government facilities, business and homes have been burned by the rioting ‘left’? I certainly don’t know, and I’m not even sure what you’d do with that information, nor what the point is.

                My point was simply that angry people do dumb things – and this is a universal truth, irrespective of political party. And that it also doesn’t invalidate ideological arguments each side might have for their point of view.

                If you really can’t see that, and want this to devolve into a discussion of who is worse, pointing out riots on the left, murders on the right, and trying to come up with some sort of ‘exchange rate’ between such things so you can feel morally superior, by all means, entertain yourself.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I think you’re mistaking the eagerness of the mob to destroy stuff because they can without even a vague idea of who those people were, .

      If they don’t know who Frederick Douglass was, they probably don’t know who Harriet Tubman was, either. It’s also likely that they have no idea who Martin Luther King was, and since the memorial sculpture of him is not in a dark stone, but rather a granite that has weathered out from a light tan to nearly white, they will probably think he was a white man and try to destroy that based on the weathering of the stone surface.

      All the headstones in Arlington Cemetery are white marble. These marones don’t go on information about anything. They react to something because it exists, whether it has anything to do with their angst-ridden idiocy or not.

      They are too ignorant and too self-involved to do anything that makes any sense to you or me. The best thing to do is report the damage, and if possible, try to stop it before they get anywhere.

      One can only hope that they reap what they are sowing, soon enough for us to witness it. I believe that may be starting to happen. They are idiots with a mob mentality that is going to do them far more harm than you can imagine.

  11. OWB says:

    The insanity continues. Nowhere but America are the mentally defective displayed so proudly and allowed to run free creating mayhem just because they can.

  12. Sapper3307 says:

    I am expecting a purge demand at the library of congress any day now.

  13. Ret_25X says:

    I think a lot of people missed this point, but;

    IF all white people are racist by genetics

    THEN no history that contradicts this may be allowed

    THEREFORE Grant, Lincoln, Douglas, Edwards, Thaddeus Stevens, etc must be erased (cancelled).

    This must be done in the name of “unity” and all remarks, writings, history, and culture of whites must be “divisive”–even when specifically offering unity.

    In addition, fallacious non-sequitur issues must be used…for example; the Sioux tribes once hunted near Mount Rushmore therefore the land “belongs” to them. The fact that the Sioux were not from there, did not have a concept of land ownership and were paid for the rights to carve Rushmore are not important. Only the creation of a fallacious story about the President “speaking in front of slave holders”.

    We won’t go into the fallacy of “native” Americans being used to describe these 3rd wave immigrants from Asia who destroyed the Clovis and proto-Inuit cultures, stealing their lands and enslaving their peoples and the fact that the Sioux were VERY late to this period…so late, in fact, they had to push several tribes south to take the hunting areas.

    It is apparent that not only are leftists completely ignorant of history, but appallingly unwilling to learn anything useful from it.

    Their fevered imaginations depict a world of racism that relflects their own ignorant and racist minds.

    • Sapper3307 says:

      But does the all whites are racist LAW, have a one drop of white blood rule?

      • Ret_25X says:

        interesting how the Democratic Party’s one drop rule was too racist for even the Germans…

        also interesting how it is white leftists running all of this…

        it’s almost like white leftists are racist…

        • Poetrooper says:

          “it’s almost like white leftists are racist…”

          When you view EVERYTHING in terms of race, what does that make you?

          • Ret_25X says:

            fair point.

            Here is the unfortunate part–no one knows where this really leads.

            All we know for certain right now is that Solzhenitsyn was correct about bad ideology being the true enabler of evil.

            We shall see if the so called “moderates” are actually moderates as they claim, or the frightened cucks the radicals view them as…

    • rgr769 says:

      And guess what indigenous “race” of humans routinely kept captives as slaves for thousands of years in the New World.

      • Poetrooper says:

        And they were particularly brutal in their treatment of their “white” slaves…

  14. Ex-PH2 says:

    Just shoot them. It’s the only way to get rid of them.

    A nice wide spray of buckshot right to the nether regions, front or back, will do for starters. /s/

    Maybe it’s time to take down the reminders that freedom exists for everyone and put them in storage until this crap is over. These idjits aren’t “expressing themselves”. They are ignorant jerks who like to destroy everything they see. I would love to see them freak out if a statue came to life and started shooting at them. Busckshot or salt in the posterior is painful, as I’ve been told.

    • ec says:

      “Shoot them….” Works for me! I’m sick x3, of these piss ants! (Am I allowed to say that? I don’t want to offend anybody:) None of the crybabies has one bit of backbone or brains. Seeing our LEO ordered to stand there and put up with these punks made me aware that our elected mayors are scared to do their jobs/ duty.There are always risks in any job. Don’t run for election if you ar a sceeredy kat. Can America let thugs like BLM, Antifa, card carrying commies, and socialists, and other deranged idiots undermine democracy and the opportunities our founders and our defenders (y’all) have shed blood sweat and tears to guarantee? Question: What would Patton do? We need leadership! BTW,I flew all my beautiful American flags over the weekend. Said a prayer of gratitude for you folks. God bless you and God bless America!

  15. The Other Whitey says:

    This is just sad. Who did it? Most likely the same people tearing down every other statue and monument. They neither know nor care who Frederick Douglass was or why he was a great American worthy of such commemoration. He wasn’t Marx or Lenin, therefore he must be an Enemy of The Revolution and must come down! Well, that, or they’re just a bunch of retards who want to vandalize shit. The Anqueefa/BLM crowd keep claiming to fight racism, and every day they piss on that cause.

  16. tshe says:

    No arrests have been made. If they do make an arrest – if I may, let me predict how this plays out:

    * If the perp is a person of color, they will withhold the name and start making statements such as “it is important to not jump to conclusions until all the facts are in. Motive unknown,” etc. They will withhold the photo.

    * If the perp is white, they will get this fact out there immediately and characterize it as a hate crime, which is most likely true but the “not jump to conclusions” bit is abandoned quickly. They will release the photo.

    This is a slam on the media more than anything else – they will do anything to promote racial hatred and chaos.

    We now return you to your regular programming.

  17. Comm Center Rat says:

    Personally, the only statue I care about is that of Ian Fraser Kilmister at the Rainbow Bar & Grill in Los Angeles. The founder, bassist, lead vocalist, and primary songwriter of Motörhead (1975-2015) was known to all as Lemmy. He brought more joy to this world than any poet, priest, soldier, or politician.

    “We are Motörhead and we play rock n’ roll!”

  18. SFC D says:

    Fuck with this statue and we’re gonna get just a little western…

    https://chrisledoux.com/the-monument

  19. Wireman611 says:

    When are the adults in the room going to stand up and say ENOUGH!!!? This is the result of a generation of everybody gets a trophy, no failing students, no personal responsibility, mom and dad saying their kids can do no wrong etc. I might be older, but I still go to work in. A job that very few want because it’s dirty and sometimes painful with little thanks. I say ENOUGH!.

    • Ret_25X says:

      Remember, it is their parents you are calling upon to the “adults”….

      I try not to think about it…