Arrest Made in George Floyd Death

| May 29, 2020


Riots in Minneapolis

Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested, moments after Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said he expected swift justice in the death of George Floyd, whose death sparked protests nationwide.

Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington announced Chauvin’s arrest following the governor’s news conference Friday.

Chauvin is the white officer who was seen on video kneeling on the neck of Floyd, a handcuffed black man.

The arrest comes after three days of protests, which escalated in violence as demonstrators torched a police precinct that had been abandoned by officers.

Mason sends.

County Attorney makes announcement on George Floyd case after arrest of officer

“Tonight needs to be different,” Gov. Tim Walz said after a night of riots, fires and looting in Minneapolis and St. Paul.
Author: Emily Haavik, Diane Sandberg

MINNEAPOLIS — Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested in connection with the death of George Floyd while in police custody.

Minnesota Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Mark Harrington reappeared at the podium Friday after a news conference ended, saying that the BCA has arrested Chauvin. He did not have any information about specific charges.

Multiple sources confirmed to KARE 11 that Chauvin was the officer seen on video with his knee on Floyd’s neck before he died.

Governor Tim Walz held the news conference at 10:30 a.m. after another night of violence and looting in Minneapolis and St. Paul, as protests over the death of George Floyd while in police custody devolved into riots.

Walz said he received a call from State Sen. Patricia Torres Ray Thursday that District 63 was burning, and there were no police officers or Minnesota National Guard troops to help.

“That is an abject failure that cannot happen,” Walz said. “We must restore that order.”

Harrington said that national guard troops were called in to help Thursday, but they did not receive a “specific mission” to help clear the streets until midnight, on a call with the mayor. Harrington said Minneapolis Mayor Frey informed them they had “no more resources” and they were not able to meet public safety needs on Lake Street.

Read the rest of the Governor’s tap-dancing, err, article here: KARE 11

Thanks Mason.

Category: Crime, Legal, Police

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  1. Combat Historian says:

    Is Commiesota going to ACTUALLY order the Guard to forcibly clear the streets and enforce a curfew, or are they going to use the Guard to set up shitters and hand out masks and hand sanitizers to passing rioters? In the current atmosphere we live in, that is now a legitimate question…

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      If you must know, it’s too much like Kent State and the governor of Ohio using the National Guard to stop the war protests, resulting in people who were not involved in the protests getting injured or killed.

      It stinks to high heaven. If the governor of Mindless-sota is that incompetent, he should resign his position and go home.

      The death of George Floyd was just an excuse for a bunch of hooligans to do what they did. It could have and should have been stopped before it happened.

    • Mason says:

      Mayor Frey did remind people to social distance while they “protest” and bragged about how many thousands of masks the city had handed out.

      Watching the streams last night it looks like they gave the Guard the job of escorting/protecting the fire fighters. That’s probably the best role for them.

    • Combat Historian says:

      Think I’m kidding? Minneapolis City workers were handing out masks to passing rioters on their way to loot and burn…

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-mayor-says-facemasks-given-to-rioters-as-other-residents-told-to-avoid-mass-gatherings

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        That does NOT surprise me, one can ALWAYS expect stupidity from Government and politicians.

    • Commissar says:

      When are the authoritarian personalities in this country going to realize you can’t force a population to comply?

      All government power is derived from the consent of the governed one way or another.

      Without consent the structure collapse. And if those in power attempts to cling to power despite the revocation of consent then society collapses.

      The guard is not trained or equipped to clear the streets of a determined protest.

      Without using deadly force.

      Which would be an oh shit moment for this country.

      Cities would burn nationwide.

      All the guard can do is be a presence to discourage escalation and violence.

      If you use the guard to escalate you are doing it wrong.

      • Mason says:

        Yeah, the Guard was completely useless when it came to forcing compliance with desegregation. 🙄

        Cities are already burning, fuckwit.

        You also seem to think that several thousand rioters are representative of the populace. They are terrorists. They don’t want “justice”, they want chaos. And to steal some TVs and a rug. The vast majority of the population doesn’t condone the wanton violence and destruction being wrought here. The taxpayers are wondering what they’re paying for when the police abandon protecting them and their property. They also wonder why the city just up and abandons a multi-million dollar building to the mob so it can be burned in effigy.

        • Commissar says:

          Really? Desegregation? That is what you got?

          And it was not the guard. It was federal troops.

          The guard was used to STOP desegregation.

          Ineffectively.

          And you don’t see the false similarities of an outraged populace in the streets compared to racist parents blocking a school, full of children.

          And cities are not burning. Not yet. A handful of buildings is not the same thing.

          This country has seen cities burn. We are not seeing it right now.

          But we will. If National Guard troops start trying to use deadly force to end these protests.

          Fortunately, I doubt the commanders are that stupid. A few locally elected sheriffs maybe. But I doubt contemporary military officers are stupid enough to order troops to fire on unarmed protestors.

          And nobody is talking about condoning the violence. Not condoning it is not the same as using deadly force to stop it.

          I was deployed to the LA riots. Do you know what we could do to stop the violence? Fuck all.

          Fortunately most of it was over by the time federal troops arrived.

          All we could do is deter it and stop it from spreading outside neighborhoods that already were in the throws of it.

          The handful of people who were shot by troops were shot for mistakenly or stupidly trying to run a vehicle checkpoint.

          Not the same thing as opening fire on a crowd.

          Most American recognize a vehicle is a deadly weapon.

          • thebesig says:

            Commissar: Really? Desegregation? That is what you got?

            You selectively brought up a point where the Army National Guard had an incident that resulted in an “oh shit” moment. Mason countered your argument by bringing up where their deployment actually benefited a specific group of people and society at large.

            Commissar: And it was not the guard. It was federal troops.

            President Kennedy federalized a National Guard unit and deployed them to assist with desegregation. President Johnson did the same thing, federalized a National Guard unit, and deployed them to support desegregation. Yes, they were acting in a federal capacity, but they were a National Guard unit.

            Commissar: The guard was used to STOP desegregation.

            That’s what Mason was arguing.

            Commissar: Ineffectively.

            They were effective at doing the job that they were sent to do. A state was supposed to support the desegregation process. They were supposed to use National Guard assets to aid in that process. The governor refused to utilize the National Guard to assist with desegregation. The president federalized them and used them for the purpose that the governor should have used them for.

            Commissar: And you don’t see the false similarities of an outraged populace in the streets compared to racist parents blocking a school, full of children.

            When the National Guard was federalized to support desegregation, people on both sides of the fence tried to preserve their desired outcome. Some people tried to block it, the Army National Guard worked against that effort.

            Today’s demonstrations? Judging by the action of their violent elements, and the reaction of those in the presence of where this violence is taking place, there is no similarity. One group actually was engaged in a civil rights argument. Segregate, or desegregate. The people rioting and looting today are just being criminal thugs, lawbreakers, brats, etc. They are breaking the law in doing so and cloaking it as “demonstrating” against “injustices”.

            Commissar: And cities are not burning. Not yet. A handful of buildings is not the same thing.

            His meaning was clear. An entire city burning, literally, is not what we have in mind when we read up on histories like this. Even the great fires, like what happened in Rome in ancient times, and in London during the early modern period, the entire city was not completely burnt down.

            So, when someone says, “cities burning”, we understand that to be a building here or there in the city burning… Or a group of buildings burning.

            Commissar: This country has seen cities burn. We are not seeing it right now. But we will.

            Selected buildings burning, similar to what happened in the past, yes. We’re already seeing it.

            Commissar: If National Guard troops start trying to use deadly force to end these protests.

            And that is not what is going to happen. If they are deployed in the United States, they will do so in the capacity that they had been deployed in previous domestic areas during this century. If any of those violent thugs start shooting at the National Guard, they would get shot back.

            Commissar: Fortunately, I doubt the commanders are that stupid. A few locally elected sheriffs maybe. But I doubt contemporary military officers are stupid enough to order troops to fire on unarmed protestors.

            This is a strawman argument. Neither National Guard on state orders nor any federal troops would have a rule of engagement that would allow them to shoot at unarmed people. The rules of engagement for peacetime allows for shooting in self-defense against being shot at… They were shot at first and they have to shoot back to stop their continuing to be shot at.

            Commissar: And nobody is talking about condoning the violence. Not condoning it is not the same as using deadly force to stop it.

            When you argue against using the National Guard to help deter violent demonstrations, you argue for enabling such. You don’t appear to be zeroing in on those that are committing violence. Yes, you mentioned your disagreement with such, but refused to connect the violence, and philosophy that caused the violence. It is deeply entrenched in the psychology of most of the people doing the demonstration.

            Even if you are not burning buildings, if you stood there and took pictures of yourself at the scene, and you are one of the demonstrators, you are part of the psychology that condones such violence. Didn’t see the buildings burn, but broke into a store and stole the goods? You’re a part of the psychology of the people that burned buildings.

            Commissar: I was deployed to the LA riots. Do you know what we could do to stop the violence? Fuck all.

            Because you alone were not expected to stop the riots. If you deployed there as part of a National Guard unit, or as law enforcement, success depended on not only your unit’s decision on how many people to deploy, but on the Los Angeles, and California’s, leadership and their planning. If you don’t have the right manpower to do the job, and you do not have the right leadership, “Fuck all” is what you are going to accomplish.

            Commissar: Fortunately most of it was over by the time federal troops arrived.

            Because the rioters knew that federal troops meant business. That contributed to people wizening up. The police were overwhelmed, the rioters knew that. Adding the federal troops into the mix changed that dynamic.

            Commissar: All we could do is deter it and stop it from spreading outside neighborhoods that already were in the throws of it.

            Which was one of the points of deploying law enforcement.

            Commissar:The handful of people who were shot by troops were shot for mistakenly or stupidly trying to run a vehicle checkpoint.

            And this would be similar to the rules of engagement that would be in place if federal troops, or federalized National Guard, were used.

            Commissar: Not the same thing as opening fire on a crowd.

            Nobody here is arguing that the military shoots into the crowd for no apparent reason.

            Commissar: Most American recognize a vehicle is a deadly weapon.

            And they also recognize that if you could get shot or arrested, and the chances of either is great, most wouldn’t do the activity that would get them shot or arrested.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              You forgot:

              “Actually, setting the police precinct on fire makes a salient and justifiable political statement.”

      • Combat Historian says:

        No one wants to use deadly force against violent rioters, but in last resort scenarios, it may happen. The California National Guard, as a last resort, had to apply deadly force during the Rodney King riots in 1992. It was unfortunate, but the Republic survived…

        • Commissar says:

          I was deployed to the riots. And they did not use deadly force to stop protests.

          They used deadly force at vehicle checkpoints when someone mistakenly or stupidly tried to run them.

          A vehicle is considered a deadly weapon.

          Not the same as shooting into a crowd of protestors.

          • Combat Historian says:

            I was referring to the same incident. I was not taking about shooting into crowds; I was talking about deadly force being applied as a last resort against someone using a vehicle as a deadly weapon. It happened during the Rodney King riots, so we’re on the same page here…

            • SFC D says:

              You could quote his words verbatim and he’d still say you were wrong. Simply because you’re not him. That’s what it’s come to.

          • SgtM says:

            Liar how old are you. I was just out of the marines. And I am a lot older than you.

            • Commissar says:

              I am 49.

              I served in 7th infantry division from 91-93.

              We deployed to the LA riots. Or, rather, a brigade of us did.

              Why the fuck would you call me a liar for that?

              And what the hell does you serving in the Marines have to do with whether I deployed to the LA riots?

      • thebesig says:

        Commissar: When are the authoritarian personalities in this country going to realize you can’t force a population to comply?

        This is not a move to control the population. Deploying the National Guard to address the rioters, looters, etc., is one of the reasons that the National Guard exists. Our Founding Fathers didn’t agree with these kinds of violent demonstrations, especially with the justifications they use for being violent.

        The people involved with these violent protests are driven by anger and control issues. They are a bunch of thugs, a bunch of lawless undisciplined people. They are threatening people and property, and have actually committed to doing damage.

        Folks like this have to be brought under control.

        Commissar: All government power is derived from the consent of the governed one way or another.

        And the majority of those who consent to be governed expect those that govern them to provide for their common security. The federal and state constitutions allow the president (federal) and governors (state) to call forth the militia to address things like these violent protests. This is an example of what the founding fathers meant by “general welfare”.

        Commissar: Without consent the structure collapse.

        Not the case here. However, what is the case is that without respect for the rule of law, which these demonstrators are not respecting, more than the structure collapses. Civilization collapses. If those rioters get what they want, not only would be well on our way to being a failed state… We’d be well on our way to collapsing into barbarism and savagery.

        Commissar: And if those in power attempts to cling to power despite the revocation of consent then society collapses.

        The vast majority of the American population, including the majority of the population in each state and territory, opposes the violence that these demonstrators are perpetrating. They would expect some form of enforcement to bring this under control. If they don’t bring this under control, thugs/lawless people in other areas would be encouraged to engage in similar destructive demonstrations.

        Commissar: The guard is not trained or equipped to clear the streets of a determined protest.

        They wouldn’t be deployed without state and local law enforcement at their side. If the governor deploys the National Guard in this scenario, they would be deployed in a support capacity. Local police would take the lead. They’d be a force multiplier and would perform functions that would deter more people from being violent.

        Commissar: Without using deadly force.

        They wouldn’t need to use deadly force unless they have to. They wouldn’t be sent to the streets in order to indiscriminately shoot people. They would have rules of engagement specific to supporting the police.

        Commissar: Which would be an oh shit moment for this country.

        That’s assuming that your version of what happens ends up happening. There were cases where the National Guard was deployed, this century, to prevent areas from descending further into lawlessness. We didn’t have that “oh shit” moment that you talked about.

        Commissar: Cities would burn nationwide.

        If people want to get violent in other cities, then the National Guard could be deployed to support the police in those cities. We also have people who would be willing to help the police and National Guard in an impromptu militia capacity.

        We have many people in my area itching for idiots to do the stupid s(beep) here that is going on in other parts of the country. Wannabe violent hooligans in my area know that they would get shot if they tried to do crap like that here. Result? We don’t have people engaging in violent demonstrations here like what you see in Minneapolis. It’s like that in other cities across the country similar to my metropolitan area.

        Commissar: All the guard can do is be a presence to discourage escalation and violence.

        That depends on the state and on the circumstances needing their deployment. The National Guard on Title 32 orders would have duties they normally wouldn’t have if they were on Title 10 orders. In most instances, they would be deployed to support the police.

        Meaning, the police would focus their efforts in the most dangerous areas while the National Guard takes care of the easy areas. They would be supporting local law enforcement, even if brought in to where the police are more active, not replacing them.

        Commissar: If you use the guard to escalate you are doing it wrong.

        No, they’re not being used to escalate. If they’re deployed, they’ll be deployed to support local law enforcement as well as the local government. Their presence would be a deterrent, especially if their presence gives the police a better ability to tackle these thugs and brats.

      • 26Limabeans says:

        Laconia. Bayonets and rifle butts.
        Turned it into a yearly peaceful event that
        attracts lots of $$$$ for the surounding towns.

      • Blaster says:

        The first half of your post sounds like you would be against communism/socialism.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Don’t get him started!
          He, and his ilk, believe in their exclusive use of force because they’re the ‘enlightened ones’.
          Even thought, through out human history, it’s been proven time and time again that consolidation of power and the use of violence to achieve harmony, even well intentioned, destroys Humanity, absolutely.

        • Commissar says:

          Socialism and communism is not the same thing.

          Communism is entirely a ideological response to capitalism. ENTIRELY.

          It was conceived after capitalism.

          Socialism predates capitalism.

          Communist theory heavily criticizes socialism.

          • SFC D says:

            Someday you’re going to have to stop living on theories and join the real world.

          • Blaster says:

            Socialism and communism ARE not the same thing.

            Fixed for ya.

            Subtle differences, maybe!

            I give you the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics. I’m pretty sure they were communist. But you be you bro. Like SFC D said, join the real wor

      • OldManchu says:

        I’ve finally figured it out. You receive a commission for every double space that you use in your posts. Good job.

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Riot and arson are the tools of those who would destroy Liberty. The goal is economic sabotage. The targets are successful business, especially small minority ones.

        Objective: misery and despair.

        Now who, politically speaking, needs miserable desperate workers and the destruction of the middle class?

    • Anonymous says:

      The latter… the Guard got ordered out but not to do anything last night.

  2. Roh-Dog says:

    So they arrested a cop, that used an authorized technique on a combative arrestee, based on a HEAVILY edited video and without a coroner’s report, corroboration from fellow officers, or a grand jury?
    I’m all about justice for all but this is political pressure, from socialist politicians, trying to placate the howling masses.
    And (speculation warning!) this dude was shown to be suffering from an affliction (drugs, heart condition, asthma) and/or this cop is found not guilty because a good expert witness and physics is on his side, what then?
    The cop(s) get fat paid and the twin cities gets more burnted down-er.
    F’ing retards.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      And (speculation warning!) *when* this dude…
      The rest stands.
      This arrest is dumb and I’ll never step foot in that 3rd world sh*thole.
      F the lot of them.

      • Commissar says:

        You are out of your mind if you think this arrest was bullshit.

        And what kind of police state do you want to live in where the government has the power to extrajudicially kill someone who is restrained and prone?

        • Roh-Dog says:

          I’m not. There’s not enough of that thing called ‘evidence’.
          That police officer has the right to remain free UNTIL it has been shown that his actions justify arrest.
          That evidence ain’t there, period.

          • Commissar says:

            No. All you need it probable cause to arrest and charge.

            He had his knee on the neck of a restrained and cuffed suspect for eight minutes.

            When he put his knee on the suspect the suspect was alive, breathing, and talking. The suspect pleaded for the officer to reduce the pressure on his neck because of was impacting his breathing.

            The officer ignored the suspects pleas. Recklessly, negligently.

            When he FINALLY lifted his knee the suspect had no pulse and no respirations.

            It was all caught on film.

            That is more than than enough evidence for an arrest and charges.

            Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is for a jury to decide.

            Not the police.

            • Roh-Dog says:

              Unless you’ve seen something the rest of us haven’t, there is no video that shows 8 minutes of this so called ‘neck crushing’ restraint. There is two clips, either edited intentionally or with a large gap, that shows NO cause and effect. Just knee to back, complaints of breathing from the detained -huge gap- unresponsive detained guy.
              Oh yeah, narration from the scholars recording, not responding to police direction to ‘stay out of the street’, amping up the whole situation.
              Almost…almost like this whole thing has been crafted by: Soros, BLM, Antifa and the usual anti-American cabal.
              The PD most likely has badge cam, maybe other video from cruisers and street footage.
              This is blow out of all proportions and you’re lapping it up like a good boy.
              But you stay classy.

              • 11B-Mailclerk says:

                The point, is that people are not supposed to die in police custody.

                He was in custody. He died. Having taken him into custody, they own responsibility.

                Did you get taught the “five S” ? “Safeguard”, even at risk of your own life, was the duty.

                Why?

                Is it farking stupid to resist arrest? Yup. Criminal? Yup?

                License to kill? No. Free pass to “oops” ? No.

                I have close family in law enforcement. I know -exactly- how shit happens. If we do not hold them to a higher and unpleasant standard, it gets ugly, real fast. One more reason I went another professional direction.

                Cops is cops. Best kept under close restrictions. Nature of that beast.

                Do you want to give such a free pass to the one with whom you are arguing? He wore a badge once. He is a poster-boy for the risk.

                • 11B-Mailclerk says:

                  “Actually, setting the police precinct on fire makes a salient and justifiable political statement.”

          • timactual says:

            You need to study up on the law. Chauvin has been charged with manslaughter and 3rd degree murder. Like any other citizen he is liable to arrest for those charges. When arrested he, like any other citizen, has the right to ask for bail. If it is granted he can go “free” until trial and conviction. If bail is not granted then, like any other citizen, he remains in jail until trial.

            • Roh-Dog says:

              Study up on the law, ok buddy. Study up on your history, what crimes did the Jewish people commit in 1930s Germany?
              You have to have a crime to have an arrest, unless you and Larssy Poo wanna just shitcan any pretense of juris prudence visavis the states’ powers to arrest. Here’s some more fucking Latin, because you need it to be a lawer-type guy (I’ve heard) there *might be* a prima facie case based on the tape BUT res ipsa loquitur non.
              This was a cop, acting in accordance with policy while in performance of his duties.
              If his negligence is provable then, and only then, can he be arrested.
              Unless you and Der Poodle wanna make up crimes to arrest ‘undesirables’, the cop gets the benefit.

    • Commissar says:

      That was not an authorized technique.

      There is not authorized technique anywhere in the country that allows an officer to put any of their body weight on a subjects neck.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        Right. On his knees, 100% of his mass concentrated on one leg, even tho his torso is clearly leaned to detained man’s torso, fast forward an unknown length of time, and same damn thing.
        Why don’t you put your soy bar down, suit up, and go join the fight?
        Because you’re a clown, puppeted by a BS MSM narrative.

      • francositalianarmy says:

        In Minneapolis, kneeling on a suspect’s neck is allowed under the department’s use-of-force policy for officers who have received training in how to compress a neck without applying direct pressure to the airway. It is considered a “non-deadly force option,” according to the department’s policy handbook.

        https://abc7.com/minneapolis-police-video-killing-man-killed-by/6212825/

        also from article

        A chokehold is considered a deadly force option and involves someone obstructing the airway. According to the department’s use-of-force policy, officers are to use only an amount of force necessary that would be objectively reasonable.

        • Comm Center Rat says:

          Conor McGregor might’ve tapped out before the eight minute mark of that neck compression. MMA rounds are only five minutes long.

        • Commissar says:

          That is a bad interpretation of bad reporting.

          There is no authorized technique that allows you to put all of pet of your body weight on a suspects neck. None. Especially not with your knee.

          There are some neck holds, using controlled minimal necessary pressure to gain control over a suspect that is actively resisting.

          Essentially MMA techniques adopted to policing.

          Kneeling on the neck is not one of them. Putting all or part of your body weight on a neck is not authorized.

          Period.

          And the officer even violated the standard even if he applied the pressure correctly. Because Floyd was not or at least no longer actively resisting.

          • 26Limabeans says:

            I would be more concerned with the Medulla Oblongata.
            You know, that brocolli shaped thing.

            In any case, how does one speak “I can’t breath” if they can’t breath?

            • Roh-Dog says:

              “In any case, how does one speak “I can’t breath” if they can’t breath?”
              Easy! They don’t!!
              I’m willing to bet this guy was on something that caused a heart failure or had an underlying medical condition.
              My gf and I traded places trying to effectively choke out each other using the ‘technique’ in the video.
              Guess what?
              Nada.
              Is it POSSIBLE?
              Maybe.
              PROBABLE?!
              Naw.

            • timactual says:

              Because it’s easier than saying “I have great difficulty breathing normally”. Then, after awhile, the effort gets to be too much and they stop breathing. I doubt it is an unusual situation. I would bet that any EMT could tell you of patients who did the same. Even as an onlooker I have seen it. I would imagine the blood in his throat didn’t help, either.

              • The Other Whitey says:

                As someone with a fair bit of experience with individuals in varying degrees of respiratory distress, let me chime in on that. A person having difficulty breathing will generally be gasping every word, and will not generate much volume. Someone who clearly enunciates “I can’t breathe” is breathing well enough. I’ve had many patients making that claim, usually out of panic, when their O2 sat was a healthy 99%. It is possible, given what we’ve heard from the ME, that Floyd panicked and, in that panicked state, thought he couldn’t breathe even though his airway was unobstructed. If he did in fact have some underlying cardiac condition, it’s quite possible that panicking (if that’s what was actually going on) is what exacerbated it and caused him to code.

                If that’s the case, then it brings a new dimension to things, especially with the supposed personal connection between Floyd and Chauvin. Did Chauvin know Floyd personally from his side job, and if so, was he aware of Floyd’s medical issues (if any)? If not, and if he properly applied (according to his level of training) what is supposed to be a nonlethal method of subduing someone, can he really be held accountable for an unforeseen medical problem? On the other hand, if he was aware of it, then the question becomes whether he should have employed a different method of restraint, or whether the stress of the situation would have likely triggered Floyd’s condition anyway.

                There’s potential for this to have been legitimately accidental, and there’s potential for Chauvin to have dicked the dog. I’m inclined towards the latter, but unlike some people, I’d rather see it borne out in a court of law rather than just lynching him from a lamppost as certain individuals (not you) seem to advocate/condone.

        • penguinman000 says:

          Looking at the MPD polices it appears Commissar is correct about the knee in the neck. It appears they are confusing neck restraint (basically a choke) with placing a knee in the neck.

          FWIW, I’m unaware of any jurisdiction in the US that allows knees in the neck. You are specifically taught in the academy the knee goes along the upper back/shoulders. You are also taught, once the suspect is restrained an no longer presents a threat to get him/her off their belly. Sit them up and/or place them in a unit.

          “5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

          DEFINITIONS I.

          Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

          Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

          Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

          Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

          PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

          The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)
          The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
          On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
          For life saving purposes, or;
          On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
          Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)
          After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
          After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
          An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.”

          You can go to the PD website and the policy is linked there. http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/index.htm

          • penguinman000 says:

            We need an edit feature. I misread, the policy does allow it. Didn’t catch it until the second time.

            It’s so odd that I missed the word leg. To say this policy is an outlier from other agencies is an understatement.

            Commissar is incorrect on the department policy.

            • Mason says:

              As he is on many things.

              • penguinman000 says:

                On this one he deserves benefit of the doubt. My gut reaction was the same. No way is that an authorized technique. I had to read the policy twice before I caught it. While my experience isn’t exhaustive, this policy isn’t in line with anything I’ve been exposed to.

                However, it appears from initial video, the officer was not adhering to policy in application of that technique.

    • docduracoat says:

      I’m as conservative and pro police as they come.
      That video was extremely disturbing.
      I don’t care if that hold was authorized by department policy.
      The man was handcuffed, face down and not resisting.
      To me, as a medical doctor, it certainly looked like the officer deliberately suffocated him.
      Ignoring his pleas of difficult breathing.
      Then refused to check his pulse in spite of the cries of onlookers to check a pulse.
      The partner is complicit as well as a restrained, compliant man was strangled to death on video and he did nothing.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        So as a Medical Doctor, I presume you’ve had an anatomy lesson. Is it probable that someone could be choked by pressure applied to their upper back/neck area when proned on level ground?
        I’ve got a couple bad vertebrae and I can’t get an angle without my gf breaking my neck. Maybe the deceased was very ‘neck flexible’ and/or no pectoral muscles?

        • Fyrfighter says:

          An update:

          An autopsy report is pending, but the Hennepin County Medical Examiner did release these findings: There were no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, and that Mr. Floyd had underlying health problems, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.”

          According to the medical examiner, “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

          The complaint determined that Chauvin had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of that time was after Floyd became unresponsive.”

          “Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in prone position is inherently dangerous,” the complaint said.”

    • timactual says:

      ” a HEAVILY edited video”

      All of them? Since it comes down to a choice between believing your BS or the video, I’m going with the video. Unless you can produce some actual evidence.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        Do you have the whole thing? No cuts? No 5 minute gap?
        Constantly on the entirety of the incident?

        This is America chief. If that cop is proven to have maliciously or negligently harm that guy, I’ll be the first to condemn him.
        Until then, he’s an innocent man.
        If you don’t like it, Europe is 6-8 hours via plane.
        Enjoy.

  3. Sapper3307 says:

    Take that Planet Fitness!

  4. Commissar says:

    Good.

    They should have arrested him right after the incident.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      Without a cause of death…?
      Yeah, screw the BoRs and the law, cuz ‘evil cop’ and ‘dead black guy’.

      • Commissar says:

        You don’t need a cause of death for probable cause the officers actions negligently caused or contributed to the death.

        The guy had a pulse when he put his knee on his neck. Eight minutes later when he lifted his knee he did not have a pulse.

        It is on video.

        That is more than enough probable cause for the arrest and charges

        It is not that complicated.

        Stop being weird. You should not be so eager to justify agents of the government putting the lives of citizens at risk or killing citizens.

        That is not something you should be trying so hard to justify.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          “You should not be so eager to justify agents of the government putting the lives of citizens at risk or killing citizens.“
          Oh, you.
          I bet you’re considered the smart one at pudding cup time and you get to help the staff open the treats for all your fellow ‘guests’ at the home!

  5. Comm Center Rat says:

    Will the mobilized Nasty Guard troops receive a state ribbon recognizing their deployment into street combat?

    What is the name of this Operation – Restore Order, Minneapolis Freedom, Good Neighbor?

    It’s a damn shame this fired cop will more than likely beat the murder rap and all lesser charges. I fully expect him to be found not guilty. He’ll then file a wrongful termination lawsuit against his former police department and with 19 years of service he might yet be able to qualify for a pension or severance package. If karma really is a bitch, I’m hoping it hammers that thug hard once he’s no longer safe behind bars.

    • Commissar says:

      There I already a civic action ribbon for guard troops.

      The state may come up with their own.

      But one already exists.

      • 26Limabeans says:

        I still have a Civil Defense sign but the hat
        would be really cool along with the rad meter.

        • Commissar says:

          I have the Civil Defense rad meter, geiger counter, and the little yellow pen thing on a display shelf next to my desk. Along with a Fallout 4 Pip Boy replica.

          Since they were store in fallout shelters in packaging they almost look new.

      • Commissar says:

        Looks like I am wrong. I tried to find a reference for it but can’t find it.

        I guess, somewhere along the line I saw a state award ribbon on a guardsmen and did not realize it was not a nationally recognized award.

  6. Just An Old Dog says:

    There needs to be a nationwide revamping of police training in how to apprehend suspects safely.
    Regardless of what crime a citizen commits they should be taken into custody with the minimum force necessary to protect the safety of the public, the Officers and the subject.
    Police Departments simply do not have the training set aside to do this.
    There are people with medical conditions that can easily die if handled roughly.
    If I was ever arrested and thrown to the ground and handcuffed ( Not that I ever plan on getting arrested, but mistakes happen) there is a chance I would suffer a major health episode.
    Back the blue…. train them properly … purge the ranks of those not fit to protect and serve.

    • Mason says:

      This is already the training standard and has been for decades. This guy had already been fighting the police and resisting arrest. The vast majority of people arrested comply (at least physically) and are arrested without incident.

      • timactual says:

        From the videos I have seen it didn’t look like he was resisting. I have questions about why he was kept on the ground for so long, and how an ambulance showed up so quickly.

        Why is it that so many people think “more training” will solve any problem?

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Sweaty because it’s just so fucking hot in Minnesota this time of year.
          And the bloody mouth…
          And the tazer deployment…
          Ask yourself, why was that ambulance there?
          Because the perp was unresponsive?
          Nope.
          A bus NEVER comes THAT quick, assumption time: the cops called the medicals because the dude was higher than James Brown on an SR-71.

          • Lobogris says:

            I wonder, not really, why everyone seems to totally ignore the fact that 4 full grown men not only kept him wedged against a car, but all 4 full grown men laid/sat on top of his entire body. If I was using my brain and actually thinking instead of chasing a red dot…I might think it was because he was, oh, I don’t know, fighting like a retard or someone on drugs. But that’s just me.

            I want to see the entire video.

          • timactual says:

            “Ask yourself, why was that ambulance there?”

            I have. And I also wonder why, if he needed an ambulance, he also needed someone kneeling on his neck.

  7. Comm Center Rat says:

    Why isn’t Al Franken doing something to calm the situation in Minnesota??

    Where’s Jessie Ventura that paragon of virtue?

    Too bad Prince has already left the house. We need compassionate leadership in the heartland.

    • Mason says:

      I’m wondering where Ilhan Omar is. This is her district FFS.

      Keith Ellison has spoken out on the issue, he’s AG now. His speech mannerisms have changed too. He now speaks more like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

      • Combat Historian says:

        Omar stated that the righteous anger and wrath of the protesters were fully justified. She has apparently kept mum on the violent rioting and looting…

      • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

        Keith is celebrating Eid and reading the Antifa Manual…

  8. AW1Ed says:

    Mason just sent the charging documents. In essense, two counts:

    COUNT I

    Charge: Murder – 3rd Degree – Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
    Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a), with reference to: 609.195(a)
    Maximum Sentence: 25 YEARS
    Offense Level: Felony

    Offense Date (on or about): 05/25/2020

    Control #(ICR#)y: 20200338

    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.

    COUNT II

    Charge: Manslaughter – 2nd Degree – Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
    Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1), with reference to: 609.205
    Maximum Sentence: 10 YEARS AND/OR $20,000
    Offense Level: Felony

    Offense Date (on or about): 05/25/2020

    Control #(ICR#): 20200338

    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd.

    • UpNorth says:

      Now the prosecutor and Mayor, and possibly the governor are hoping, with fingers crossed, that Chauvin’s attorney will convince him to plead guilty to Manslaughter 2nd. Quickly and as quietly as possible.

  9. ninja says:

    “Maximum Sentence: 10 Years”.

    We all know he will not last that long in Prison unless he is separated and put in isolation from the Prison Population.

    Because this terrible event has been publizied, will be interesting to see WHERE the trial will be held, that is, IF there is a trial and who he will hire as his attorney.

    What happened to George Floyd was wrong. Despicable. Disgusting.

    However, I feel the same as others, i.e. there is a difference between protesting and looting and burning stores, automobiles etc.

    Those troublemakers (probably hired by Sores) should have their day in court as well and be punished.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Reports I’ve seen say that local authorities don’t recognize many of the rioters, and that they believe they have come from other areas.. Your assessment is likely spot on Ninja. Probably the same for the fools that were tearing up Denver last night as well.

      • UpNorth says:

        The mayor invited outsiders into Minneapolis on Tuesday, before the riots broke out. Small wonder that most aren’t familiar to the PD.

        • Fyrfighter says:

          Yeah, don’t go out for dinner because of bat soup flu, but all you thugs and fools, come on in to riot..
          Liberalism is a mental disorder! (that or this is all an orchestrated effort to destroy our country…

          • UpNorth says:

            That was OK, because city employees were giving out masks to the rioters before they commenced rioting.

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      ^word^ Not sure if anyone else noticed in some of the videos these little tidbits. I was surfing several sites/platforms on evening last and saw multitudes of shots where the females (many of them) were wearing the mooslem type clothes/head gear and a great number of antifa looking dudes. For some reason, I haven’t been able to find a lot of those videos today. Hmmmmm

      If we follow the seagulls idea on rising up against oppression, we should all be marching on Washington DC and having a little chat with some kongress kritter klowns.

      There is a GREAT BIG DIFFERENCE between a protest and a rioting rampage.

  10. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    Guess what Donks chances of being VP just went down the shitter:

    https://spectator.us/amy-klobuchar-vp-prospects-over/

  11. Graybeard says:

    IMHO, this smells too much like some Obama-era events that later turned out to be so much gas that only Lars can breath it.

    I’d want to see the coroner’s report and the full, unedited video(s), read the other LEO’s reports, etc before coming to any conclusions.

    I suspect it is a witch hunt spurred on by specious racism charges.

  12. E4 Mafia '83-'87 says:

    As the son and grandson of LEO’s, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless there is some other information that is not publice, that cop is going to be convicted of manslaughter. There was no need to keep applying pressure to man that was down.
    On a side note, the ‘peanut gallery’ observing from Vulture’s Row adds chaos to any situation with their constant chiming in…let the cops do their duty. “If you ain’t helping the situation, then you are hurting the situation.”

    • timactual says:

      If Chauvin had listened to the vultures he would still have a job and be a free man.

      • E4 Mafia '83-'87 says:

        And maybe he didn’t to spite the onlookers? Ya know some people who do the opposite of what other people say. Who knows? He just should not have done what he did.
        You see it other incidents where bystanders cause more harm than good. If you’re not involved, stand clear…not that hard really.

  13. I wonder if this city has a penal code. When I worked for Brink’s, we had to be NYS State certified to carry a fire arm and learn the Penal code involving the use of force which covered the escalation of force, physical force and the use of deadly physical force. I hope I got that right since I retired back in 2007. one of these refers to the crime of Arson which was used on the Police station and commercial buildings. Under the law, a person can be stopped by using deadly physical force but only as the person is in the process of throwing a flammable product into the building or in the process of lighting a product but not after the fact of the crime. The mayor ordered the members out of the station and not protect it. What if a member were still in the building, being injured or suffering a medical emergency and was missed in a roll call. I worked in NYC 1970-2007 and this was covered along with firearms quals to meet the states standard on firearms proficency. Looks like the mayor gave in to the mob. Like I mentioned, I have been retired since 2007 so the memory is a little hazy. I should have looked in the Florida gun law book before I typed this in but I think I got some of this right. Can any of you retired or still working LEO’S comment on my comment???

    • Mason says:

      Deadly force can’t be used solely to prevent damage to property. So if you could articulate that the guy firebombing might be throwing it into an occupied structure, you’d be justified.

      The whole shooting fleeing non-violent felons went out with Tennessee v. Garner (1985).

      • NHSparky says:

        Not always true. My state allows deadly force in at least four specific cases, including, “If a person is likely to use unlawful force while committing a burglary.”

        Notice that it does not specify a weapon or occupied buildings.

  14. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    Another item… the ME has chimed in:

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/medical-examiner-george-floyd-wasnt-asphyxiated.php

    “The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

    • Roh-Dog says:

      So Mister Occam’s logic cuts again.
      The Bard had something to say about the Theatre of this absurd World;
      To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
      Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
      To the last syllable of recorded time;
      And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
      The way to dusty death.
      Out, out, brief candle!
      Life is but a walking shadow, a poor player
      That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
      And then is heard no more. It is a tale
      Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
      Signifying nothing.

      And at the end of the day, what did these riots, and by relation, Mister Floyd’s final moments leave us with?
      Maybe a cause to seek better route selection, lest one beset a path where “Returning were as tedious as go[ing] o’er”?
      Perchance.

  15. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    Is Larsie prepping his Antifa buddies for tonight? Gotta get those urine bombs ready for the POPO!!!

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/05/29/george-floyd-protest-in-san-jose-shuts-down-highway-101/

    • Commissar says:

      The last protest I actively participated in was Occupy.

      I sometimes standby on the edges of Bay Area protests with a MED bag. In case someone is injured.

      But I am too damn old to participate. Besides, people just think I am an undercover cop if I were to join in anyway.

      I also think blocking traffic is an idiotic protest tactic.

      A significant percentage of those in the vehicles would otherwise support the protestors. Now they don’t.

      And people watching, all of whom have been subjected to grueling Bay Area traffic for hours at a time, look at people blocking traffic and think “fuck those guys”.

      So blocking traffic does nothing to advance the cause.

  16. Commissar says:

    So, this video has drawn a lot of interest on the left and on the anti-government right.

    It shows a man dressed in black and carrying an umbrella in a gas mask and gloves methodically breaking windows at the Autozone that was later burned.

    He casually breaks the windows then walks away.

    Does not join in or participate in the protests.

    Regardless of who this guy works for, or if he is just a freelancer; he is definitely aware of how breaking these windows and walking away would eventually result in looting the store.

    He also is not otherwise involved in the protests.

    He is wearing a black MSA full face mask. Which is atypical of protestors but not unheard of.

    Though, due to COVID they are 100s of dollars right now.

    The umbrella is a nice touch. Almost as though he is cosplaying as a protestor. It also is handy to block cameras. Though he failed to do that.

    Anyway, the guy is suspicious.

    https://youtu.be/ETQ9PVfFkjE

    • Mason says:

      Are you also a crisis actor conspiracy theorist?

    • Penguinman000 says:

      This guy isn’t suspicious, he’s a criminal. Every Hal mark of ANTIFA’s MO. Black clothing, obscuring their face, umbrella to avoid aerial photography.

      I thought you were a LEO at one point?

      What’s the more likely explanation, this guy was part of a group that has demonstrated these behaviors in recent history or a local police department decided to act like the CIA in the 70s?

      And putting this shit out there when you know a mans family is associated with the address spread by these videos is the height of douche baggery. There is zero evidence the guy in these videos is the officer from the adjoins jurisdiction.

      You are a complete asshat for feeding this kind of propaganda.

      • Commissar says:

        Nonsense.

        He is definitely not Antifa.

        Wearing black does not make someone Antifa.

        And the Black Bloc protestors don’t look like this and dont operate alone.

        Whoever this guy is, he is not a protestor.

        This guy is suspicious. Period.

        Which is why the protestors were following him an asking him questions like “are you a cop”.

        It was clear he was not a protest ally, and not Antifa.

        And though Black Bloc has an anarchist agenda and like to hijack protests to up the unrest; he was clearly not one of them either.

        These groups are common at protests and their members are very recognizable. They also interact differently with protestors.

        Just wearing black is not going to cut it if you are trying to cosplay as one.

      • Commissar says:

        Nonsense.

        He is definitely not Antifa.

        Wearing black does not make someone Antifa.

        And the Black Bloc protestors don’t look like this and dont operate alone.

        Whoever this guy is, he is not a protestor.

        This guy is suspicious. Period.

        Which is why the protestors were following him an asking him questions like “are you a cop”.

        It was clear he was not a protest ally, and not Antifa.

        And though Black Bloc has an anarchist agenda and like to hijack protests to up the unrest; he was clearly not one of them either.

        These groups are common at protests and their members are very recognizable. They also interact differently with protestors.

        Just wearing black is not going to cut it if you are trying to cosplay as one.

        The reason he is being followed and questioned by protestors is because he is suspiciously not acting like anyone that normally is involved in these protests.

        • Penguinman000 says:

          Please give me your evidence for supporting the assertion a white guy in a full face respirator is clearly a cop from an adjoining jurisdiction. The only resemblance the guy in a full face respirator has with the alleged officer is skin tone.

          I hope when you were wearing a badge your investigations were more in depth than that.

          A group of random people in what could’ve been a staged video is not evidence. It’s conjecture at best.

          For someone who says they were a LEO in the past your line of thinking on this topic appears to be devoid of anything resembling logic.

          • Hondo says:

            . . . . your line of thinking on this topic appears to be devoid of anything resembling logic.

            Regrettably, that describes most of Commissar’s commentary here.

        • Penguinman000 says:

          And notice how you avoided the issue of the alleged officers address and name being associated with the video despite zero evidence he was the perpetrator.

          Mao would be proud.

          • Commissar says:

            Can you give me a video time hack for that?

            I don’t see the officer’s name and address in the video.

            • penguinman000 says:

              From the description of the video “Social media users claim the man is Saint Paul Officer Jacob Pederson”. There are quite a few folks posting his supposed address, name and picture on the internet.

              I guess it’s okay to just randomly accuse people and dox their address. As long as it’s someone who fits a demographic you don’t like, it’s ok.

              There is zero proof that a random cop from an adjoining agency was an agent provocateur. Much more likely it was a member of a group, such as antifa or black bloc, who publicly endorse and plan these exact kinds of activities.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          Anarchists and Communists and Antifa (same diff) can and do work solo. They routinely stir shit where they can in furtherance of destroying that which opposes their “revolution”. They routinely smash small businesses in furtherance of their evil goals. Can’t have a Revolution without desperate masses.

          Your denials have no credibility.

          Especially when so blatantly false.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Not too expensive for Soros… Plenty of morons rioting again tonight in Denver, and quite few have some serious gear.. At least the police don’t seem to be allowing them to loot and burn tonight, or not so far. Lots of tear gas.. Just one more reason to live as far from the cidiots as possible.. No way they’d ever try this stupid shit out here in ranchland…

      • Commissar says:

        Soros conspiracies. Yet never anybody flipping or providing evidence despite the massive scale of the Soros conspiracy.

        • Fyrfighter says:

          Well, his own website says he supports black lives matter, so there’s that. As for antifa, for a group that is supposedly spontaneous, and decentralized, they sure have a shit-ton of professionally printed signs ready and available at a moments notice, so obviously someone with deep pockets is bankrolling that, and if certainly fits the Soros MO. It’s no secret that his donations are widely spread and funneled through multiple organizations to conceal their origins, which generally isn’t something done by those with above board motives.

          • Commissar says:

            Dude, it costs almost nothing to make a sign.

            It takes motivated reasoning to see someone holding a sign as evidence George Soros is bankrolling the protests.

            The left has a long tradition of print shops in their apartments. Silk screening, t-shirts, print shops, underground magazines, etc.

            They are low cost operations.

            Hell, the 80s punk community was built on garage record labels that provided LPs and punk merch nationwide.

            Was George bankrolling that too? i was involved in a garage punk flyer and underground newspaper in high school. So I can answer that; no George Soros was not involved,

            It was funded by whatever pocket change we could pilfer and scratch together up on any given week. I literally used to crawl around on the floor of laundromats and used a ruler to drag quarters back out from under machines as one of the ways we scrounged up money.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              Soviet financing of various “spontaneous” causes is well documented.

              You are approaching “Baghdad Bob” levels of dumb.

            • Ret_25X says:

              Dear Commissar…trying to hide Soros’ multi billion dollar investment in violence since 1994.

              Ignoring the buses sitting along the side of the big parking lot…ignoring the sudden high technology everywhere…ignoring the rapid incursion of astroturfed crowds from previous “protests”.

              Being a Marxist dufus sure requires some serious stupidity, eh comrade?

              Soros’ funding of these inauthentic “protests” is so well known, literal books have been written about it.

              But alas, as in all so called “socialist” movements–the rich guy using your dumb ass is to be worshiped.

    • Ret_25X says:

      wow…so the cause of looting is broken windows.

      Lars the Commissar….Sooooooooper jeanyus….

      No Lars the Commissar, lack of moral development causes looting. Broken windows have nothing to do with it.

      The masses of people rioting around the country do not care about Mr. Floyd. A high percentage of them would have killed him themselves.

      They do, however, care about free shit and violence. They believe that someone owes them and their only role in life is to take.

      Now, where did they get those ideas?

      The few involved who care about this as anything more than an excuse for rioting and looting or political BS points are overwhelmed by the rest.

      And all of this is the fault of the left. Yes, Lars, your darling political theories require thug cops, thug citizens, and perpetual grievance. Your admiration for the left only proves you have no moral compass.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      “He casually breaks the windows then walks away.
      Does not join in or participate in the protests.
      Regardless of who this guy works for, or if he is just a freelancer; he is definitely aware of how breaking these windows and walking away would eventually result in looting the store.”

      Right, so he gets the end result he wants, to further fan the flames and exacerbate the situation, but even if caught and charged, all he’s likely to get is a charge of vandalism. Someone else will get charged with burglary, arson, etc. Unless domestic terrorism charges, inciting a riot, etc start getting used, he gets next to nothing..

  17. Herbert J Messkit says:

    1. I googled gun store near Minneapolis. Thankfully they all appear to be well out in the suburbs.

    2. I wonder how many Minneapolis residents are sitting in their homes abandoned by the police just now realizing why “those hillbillys and rednecks” want to bear arms?

  18. 11B-Mailclerk says:

    The usual marxiod/anarchist agitators are adding their desired violence to this mess.

    Again. On que.

    Do not allow useful idiots to deny it. This is straight out of the Red playbook. The goal is revolutionary destruction of our government and way of life and Liberty itself. Can’t have Revolution without sufficient misery and those dang Booshie Kulaks keep employing those who should be revolting.

    Those aren’t Communists!

    Those aren’t Antifa!

    Yeah, right. Quack quack it’s a bunny rabbit.

    • Just Lurkin says:

      The great James Lileks wrote this the other day (he lives just outside Minneapolis and had driven into town to see the damage):

      “ It’s always odd how the people who preach destruction are assumed to have skills in constructing the replacement, as if the fervent desire to tear things down is just one element of an endlessly kaleidoscopic intellect that apprehends what is to be done, and precisely how to do it.

      But the bread runs out. What then? Ah, look over there: another remant of the old, cursed order. Burn it, and we will be free. Not from want, not from the rule of others, but at least free from the old ways and the whispering voice of one’s conscience. There is a new, louder voice in your ear now, and it approves of all that you do.

      Until, of course, it doesn’t.”

      The revolutionary poseurs that are the heart of this only know how to destroy. Well, that might give one a temporary thrill of power and adrenaline while things are being torn apart, but then the Gods of the Copybook Heading come calling and they always are paid their due and terror and slaughter are their fee.

    • MSG Eric says:

      If you watch the news feeds, you’ll see protestors up front being peaceful and items being thrown over them from behind.

      You also see windows being broken and the person who did it running away, while everyone else stands there waiting to get a response.

      It really only takes one person to turn a group of people into an aggravated mob.

      The problem with these protests is they aren’t organized well enough to maintain peace, keep people identified properly, and to police their own so as to not let outsiders come in and cause belligerency.

  19. ninja says:

    This is gonna get interesting, i.e. HOW CNN comments on THIS story:

    “CNN Headquarters In Atlanta Vandalized By Protesters After George Floyd Death”

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-headquarters-atlanta-vandalized-protesters-george-floyd-death

  20. ninja says:

    I could have sworn Virginia’s Stay At Home Order does NOT expire until 9 June 2020.

    Wonder how Doofus, AKA the Virginia Governor, will react to this?

    I doubt those protestors stayed 6 feet apart.

    Can’t worship in a Church with normal number of attendance, but shutting down an Interstate is ok.

    Don’t know if the Mayors in the Hampton Roads area or the Governor gave the Black Lives Matter Group permission to protest, but it just does not make sense that they were allowed to do this while under the Virginia Stay At Home Rule:

    “Hundreds Gather In Hampton/Norfolk In Protest Of George Floyds Death In Minneapolis”

    https://www.wavy.com/news/national/hundreds-gather-in-hampton-norfolk-in-protest-of-george-floyds-death-in-minneapolis/

  21. ninja says:

    I scrolled thru this list.

    Here is my shocked face of how many of the cities are run by a Mayor who has a “D” after their name:

    “George Floyd Death: The Cities Where People Are Protesting and Rioting”

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-death-here-are-the-cities-protesting

    • Commissar says:

      Not that surprising,

      It is primarily liberals who protest when the government kills its citizens.

      Conservatives usually try to defend and justify it.

      So you would expect the protests to be in liberal majority cities.

      And liberal majority cities elect democrat mayors.

      If conservatives ever protested the government killing citizens I would be shocked. They literally have never done that in the history of any civilization. Ever.

      • ninja says:

        Watching the SPACEX Launch!

        NBC is broadcasting the French Open!

        Liberal Cities Rioting.

        MSNBC covering Rioting, not SPACEX.

      • Hondo says:

        If conservatives ever protested the government killing citizens I would be shocked. They literally have never done that in the history of any civilization. Ever.

        Bull. The Polish protests of 1970 are one example.

        The violent suppression of worker protests on 17 December 1970 in Gydnia by the Communist government of Poland (resulting in a number of deaths and substantially more wounded) led to widespread violence in a number of northern Polish cities, threatening the existence of that Communist government and shortly afterwards causing a change in leadership. Those events also contributed to the 1971 Lodz strikes.

        • OWB says:

          I would include the Revolutionary War in the count of armed protests against the gubermint, and probably the War Between the States as well.

          On the more peaceable side, those of us who have participated in protests and counterprotests against the lefties in the past couple of decades just don’t count, eh? Naw, probably not. Then there is that whole Tea Party thing. And a few operations against folks like John Murtha. But those probably weren’t conservatives either.

          The annual March for Life in DC every January probably doesn’t really happen either. Only been going on for 25+ years.

        • OWB says:

          More to the point – there were protests in Birmingham and the Selma march. And plenty of other instances of conservatives protesting the deaths caused by the Klan and other Democrats. Often it was a combined effort among lefties and righties. Facing wrongs together. Cool stuff.

          MLK was conservative, as were most of his followers. But that was before the great lies perpetrated by the DNC upon the people of this country.

      • Ret_25X says:

        Poor Commissar…so stupid, so dishonest.

        It is primarily liberals who COMMIT government killings of its citzens.

        It was DEMOCRATS killing blacks in the south

        It was liberals killing Irish in NY and Boston

        It was liberals killing farmers in CA

        Who protested these things?

        As it turns out…conservatives. The conservative and moderates protest and then the liberals come out at night and riot

        The cool thing about Lars is he is always wrong, and by wrong I don’t mean mistaken.

        He knows he is spouting lies and propaganda, but he is completely socialized now…like a puppy who is finally house broken.

        A minion to his political masters. They must be so proud how he bravely and brazenly repeats their hysterical and false talking points.

  22. OWB says:

    This rioting mess is beyond ridiculous. Many of us here lived through this on the 60’s. That was once too often.

  23. 11B-Mailclerk says:

    Isn’t it weird how some folks say “enough” peacefully and effectively, producing positive change and others loot/burn/beat/destroy only to make greater misery?

    The leftoid radicals only know how to destroy. Thus, they are shitty at making things like a society. Thus they make wreckage and call it “revolution”. Thus their masters, who also like -their- peaceful life, are very quick to murder the revolutionaries, in an effort to ensure order.

    When some putz loudly and stupidly announces his support and effort for “revolution”, I take smug satisfaction in knowing with certainty that if the shitbags win, putz goes to the wall early.

    At the hands of his chosen masters, putz is betrayed and murdered.

    The historical evidence is overwhelming, yet ignored.

    Look at the -aftermath- of protests, when the objective is making a point. Where do you want to live?

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      ^Preach^ At this point 11B, I’m wondering how much of this is actually about protesting the death of Mr. Floyd, and how much it is a systematic, organized attack. Seeing news blurbs showing antifa types wearing ear bud communicators and using same. I may be wrong, but somehow the image of George Soros in front of a bank of TV Screens, watching the fruitation of his decades of work to destroy us come to pass. The videos of people blocking highways and walking up to vehicles and attempting to smash the windows or open the doors, pulling folks out whose only crime was they were driving down the road. I normally conceal carry with 2or4 7 round magazines. May be time to rethink that.

      • 26Limabeans says:

        You can bet the lovely couple of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn
        are up to their necks in this. How soon the following generations
        lost sight of their Sedition and welcomed the great black savior
        that they groomed to be a titular head. And to his head it went.

        What’s old (communism) is new again the human wave assaults on
        our institutions are unfolding before our eyes. The young and stupid
        are taking to the streets, urged on by a complicit Pravda.

        The military is needed to put this down before the pissed off
        citizenry steps in and does the job….and they will.
        When it gets to the suburbs every man is an Alamo for his family.

        Posse Comitatis anyone?

  24. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    NSFW… these guys see it

    • 26Limabeans says:

      Those guys work together pretty good.
      Don’t step all over each other.
      Make a nice talk radio pair.

  25. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    Nah, Lars… they aren’t organized:

    https://twitter.com/demonhunter023/status/1266941632659808256

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      This is what I love about the internet: you don’t have to live in a place you left behind to keep tabs on it, and Chicago is so far away that the further away it is, the better. But thanks to the interwebs, when I keyed “wgn news live” into my search block to see what might be going on, there was a large bastion of Chicago cops confronting a crowd of people who were breaking building and car windows, looting stores, and starting fires, and this was in the dark, long after the daytime peaceful protest had come and gone.

      Lightfoot, the current mayor, as well as the new chief of police, made it clear that they won’t tolerate the hooligans and their behavior. Stark contrast to the peaceful earlier protest walk, isn’t it?

      Those people who are setting things on fire and breaking into businesses that are closed to steal stuff (a Walgreen’s, for Pete’s sake?) are only there to destroy, and NOTHING ELSE.

      Just glad I decided to bail out and find a place a very long distance away from all of that.

      • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

        What gets me Ex is that these (D) ran cities have “tolerated” these groups “protesting” for so long… and they always are shocked when these groups start breaking windows and burning buildings. They know that these groups are organized – Hell, they know that their supporters probably throw money at these groups to help out with “legal fees”. I feel sorry for those that lose businesses and homes to the mob, but not to those that have allowed the mob to run rampant.

        I’ve never had an issue with protests that are PEACEABLE… but when the first brick or Molotov is thrown, that’s a different story.