Kirjath Toney; an update
We’ve been going around in circles with Kirjath Toney, a Korean War Veteran who insists that he earned the awards that he wears on his Odd Fellows uniform. So, I got snail mail today from him and it goes like this;
So, I called Kirjath’s number and it went to voice mail and I was told by the recording that his vmail box is full. I did leave my number and I’m holding my breath waiting for him to call me back.
That letter from Mr. Johnson settles it for me, though. Some guy I don’t know tells me that he’s verified everything. I mean everyone else in the IOOF has been so helpful,I’m sure Mr Johnson is a Odd Fellow, too. But it leaves me wondering why Mr Toney hasn’t contacted the NPRC and get this settled. And Mr. Johnson scolds us that Toney’s records may have been destroyed, but that doesn’t seem to be the case – there are his records…right there. Or that his records might be classified, but there he is wearing his “classified” medals right there in public.
I don’t know exactly why a civilian dude who works for the Air Force in Texas would know how to read Army records that came out of Missouri (which were destroyed or classified or the pages stuck together with bubble gum or the dog ate the records). Toney won’t answer questions as to the time and place the awards were earned, he won’t respond to questions about how he can prove his awards when the Department of Defense and Doug Sterner can’t. He won’t provide a redacted copy of his citation or orders except on some trip that was supposed to happen last month to WV, but now will happen “this month” with no further details, except at a phone number which doesn’t except messages and doesn’t get answered.
So, yeah, I’m totally convinced. You can tell how convinced I am by the way I categorized this post.
Category: Phony soldiers
I’m confused how Mr. Johnson can check and/or verify lost and classified awards. Special man!
He’s about the inudated by requests from phonies to attest to their MOHs w/ Silver Oakleaf Cluster and Battle of Hoth Campaign Ribbons.
This fake just got elected as a state officer for the Odd Fellows in Tennessee and plans on going back to Arlington Cemetery for the next several years to bestow a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown.
“Our hearty congratulations to newly elected officers from our branches in Pegram, TN. Kirjath D. Toney, Grand Warden of the Grand Lodge of Tennessee and Grand Patriarch, Emily Brumit, Vice President of the Rebekah Assembly of Tennessee; I was elected, Grand High Priestess of the Grand Encampment of Tennessee. I have accepted a second term as Department Commander.” 6-24-2014 He will keep wearing medals he never earned. His disrespect needs to be shared with those at Arlington, so they can REJECT the application of the IOOF to place wreaths on the Tomb.
Sigh-Kirjath, if you’re reading this, the reason we don’t post our real names isn’t because we’re cowards or criminals, but rather just because we prefer not to have our emails flooded with brainless nonsense from the likes of you, Dallas Wittgenfeld, Daniel Bernath, Paul Wickre, etc. We also don’t like being threatened at work, or our families receiving abusive phone calls. Or receiving nonsensical thirty-page legal ramblings at our snail mail addresses from pretend lawyers. This is just another one of your pitiful attempts to try to change the subject away from all those decorations you’re wearing without having earned, per your official records for the NPRC. Go play in traffic now.
But I AM using my real name! When we Valkyries are hatched on Valhalla, we are numbered. I am Valkyrie number “go fuck yourself”. Hope that clears up everything.
Wow, and I thought the Roman numerical system was difficult.
slaps knee, gilggles, slaps knee
Good one
Hey, that’s awesome! Can I be “Lurker #Go Fuck Yourself” when dealing with the dumbasses? 😉
I am all out of fuck yous for the day…but I have a rat’s ass or two left in me. 😀
Uh, Whitey is what friends, coworkers, and my wife call me, a slight variation on my last name. I suppose I could be “Fuck You” Whitey from now on…
wasn’t it Cosby who said according to his father his brother was named “God damn it!” and his name was “Jesus Christ!”?
And I too am using my real “given” name. For over 20 years I was called nbcguy – first time by a very young, newly-promoted-to-CPT J.D. Thurman. So Mr. Toney (I’ll burn in hell before I call you General), you might as well get used to the name Asshole as that is your new given name.
Out.
@Valkyrie – The absolute best comment of the week.!!!
I use Sparks because I was in communications, military and civilian life. Kinda worked out and made sense in a way.
I took the name Hack Stone after the main character in the greatest film ever made, Terror In Beverly Hills. The Green Beret Marine (you read that right) portrayed by Frank Stallone is the epitome of America’s finest. And whenever I find myself in a difficult moral dilemma, I just think to myself, WWHSD (What Would Hack Stone Do)? Maybe I should change it to WWKTD. I think that he would wear some yellow gloves for no discernible reason.
I am Spartacus! No, wait…Wrong movie, my bad!
I’m…
…
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Batman!!!
Not my real name? Says who?
For nearly 6 years in the Navy, I was addressed as ‘Hey, PH’ by various and sundry souls who worked with or for me. I only put ‘Ex’ in front of it now because I left the Navy back in them there Olden Times.
Who the hell is this old buzzard to say it isn’t my real name? Has he seen papers that say it isn’t? No. Was he ever around me in the Navy? No. Does anyone have anything available to prove it isn’t my name? No.
Tell you what, Toney, you phony baloney, you go suckstart a Roman candle this weekend. I’m sick of your shit.
Hi Helen 🙂
Her name is Theresa.
Theresa,
How is the weather in North and South Dakota?
It’s cold and raining, with thunder, lightning and drizzle, Master Chief.
And to think I put away the flannel because the calendar said it was Spring.
When I was a brand-new firefighter, my old captain seemed thoroughly convinced that my full name was Fuckin’ Moron.
I’ll just leave these here, in case someone wonders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftOKO0nx-w
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_DASt7hDs
(smile)
I’m using my real name. I was a Major/O-4 (a real one, not a pretend one) and the vast majority of those who know me call me Mike.
I’ve got three rows of ribbons, all earned/awarded, not purchased at a gun show.
Let’s see…Everybody that knows me calls me Curt…I’ve been lurking here for a couple of years, with the occasional comment… Yeah, fuck this guy- I’m not hiding or pretending SHIT!
Dumbass…
Just curious, has anyone called “Mr. Johnson”? Makes me wonder if he’s another IOOF sockpuppet.
No, I didn’t. What would be the point?
That was my first thought (gee\. . . I HAD one?). . . . Is this “S Ray Johnson” even a real live person? Or another schizophrenic persona of our mentally ill Mr Toney?
You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, but you doesn’t have to call me Mister Johnson.
Looks legit Bahahahahahah, what a tool,wtf does a civie chair force fuckstick know about US Army awards? Like I said before just post the award citation that came with your medals dumbass.This guy is a bigger limp dick then the purple thunder cunt.
I only know two things about awards. My kid has a bunch more than I ever did (he made me proud!) and never wear anything that I didn’t earn. In my case, that isn’t much so I don’t have anything to talk about. From some of the crap I see on this site, there are people who talk too much and do too little.
What the flying monkey fuck does a Civilian (supposedly) at a Lackland AFB Technical Training Operations Center have to do with shit?!?!
” The Operations Division executes and monitors current operations and makes real-time course-of-action recommendations to the TTOC Director concerning the student enterprise. The Operations Division executes its mission through the Technical Training Execution Branch and
2 AF Detachment 1 at Lackland AFB.”
I did not know records such as the Silver Star citations, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart are kept at Lackland now.
If this butt-buddy of K.D.’s has seen the records, then how can they be “destroyed”? I can’t figure that one out.
And there is still the wearing of the ribbons out of order in that 2007 photo of this “general.” Who places the Silver Star behind the Bronze Star and Purple Heart for God’s Sakes?!!! Hey, even the leader of the IOOF, Mr. Smith says he has seen the records. And, K.D.’s real good friend the assistant minister, says he has seen the “papers.” When are these “classified” or “destroyed” papers going to be shared with the world who this idiot is trying to impress. Hey, it’s ALL ABOUT THE HERO IMAGE WITH THIS FAKE! Why aren’t these awards available at the records center in St. Louis?
Hmmmm….Air Force….Texas…
Is Chevy the Cheese eater trying to help out Toney the phony bologna?
Heh, bologna and cheese….
Oh stop groaning it was funny to me.
Yes, it’s funny. I’m laughing quietly because the better half is sleeping.
T-bone here I think needs HOL privilages for the Tourney. He may not last long enough to realize his rightful place in “Our” little Odd Balls Hall of Fame.
So said God “And may those Odd Balls rest squarely on your Chin”. Matthew 1001-2014
So why exactly is an employee of the United States Air Force using whatever clout he perceives that position to hold as a weapon to attempt to intimidate real United States Air Force veterans and their friends from other branches of military service?
Maybe he is one of those union employees who cannot be fired for gross dereliction of duty, improper use of government property, or any of those other silly things which appear to be completely beyond his authority. That letter of his should be enough for some very serious retraining, at the least, and perhaps disciplinary action with perhaps even separation from this paying gig for whatever it is that he is supposed to be doing instead of meddling in the affairs of a likely poser and/or embellisher.
As we have said so many times, it is really quite simple. It doesn’t really matter what you think you earned. If it was not awarded, or you cannot document that it was awarded, then you can’t wear it. That is all.
It would be SO incredibly shocking and unusual for civilian admin people to write phony bullshit! I never heard my wife telling me about that when she worked as a contractor at PSD on NAS Pensacola and someone’s buddy needed phony “orders” to get out of an apartment lease early or something. No sir, those invariably honest co-workers of hers would certainly never do something like falsify documentation!
For the record, I’m not trying to impugn civilian admin people. Most of them were honest and hardworking, but I know for a fact that there are exceptions.
Somewhat off-topic but related – I was discharged from the Marines in April 2006, going on terminal leave about 2 weeks after returning from Iraq in late February. Not long ago I had to dig up my DD-214 for a VA mortgage application and I noticed that it’s incorrect – it doesn’t have my Iraq deployment on it. Apparently, to my discredit, I didn’t look at it carefully when I signed it and it’s been sitting in a filing cabinet ever since. I had to be on the advance party leaving in order to have 60 days back in CONUS before my discharge – maybe that’s why it was screwed up? Anyway, could anyone give me advice on how one would go about fixing that?
radar – I had to make a correction to a DD214 from 2005, I did it last yr. Start with getting a DD215, and you will more than likely need supporting documentation. My DD214 didn’t have a statement about being on AD in support of OEF in Afghanistan, so I also sent a copy of orders as well as the paid travel voucher statement from the tour. Being Air Force reserves I’m not sure where you will send your info, your old unit personnel office could probably help.
that would be “Me being AF Reserves…”
The best way to get your records corrected is to put your local VSO to work. That’s why they’re there and why they’re called VSOs.
I say take the letter at face value and leave it at that!
LEGIT!
No. Just no.
I think your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning today, OWB. (smile)
You mean you missed what was dripping from my comment? 😉
Seriously, I believe him and Mr. Johnson. Really.
Yeah, me, too!
I think yer both way t’auld t’be a believin’ in Leprechauns . . . (smile)
Did ANYONE read the citation or get the date or the accounting of the Silver Star action? He says he has the paperwork. He has shown it to several friends and associates, he says, who can all verify the Bronze Star Medal, Silver Star, and the Purple Heart. So, there is “unclassified” paperwork somewhere, according to his own statements. Has anyone on this site seen that paperwork? If not, and you believe him, then everybody may be a Silver Star recipient. Earn it.
Agreed! I’ve been trying to get people to believe my BS for years. Ernie Manerchia wrote supportive tall tales for years but then had to go beat his wife so no people just have to take my word for it these days.
I’m trying the rodeo gloves next. Perhaps more people will believe me with those.
– John “Faker 6” Giduck
This guy cant be a faker he’s the real deal. That darn record fire in ultra secret, double foil sealed, super duper bat cave under the South Pole.
The reason that he wears those golden gloves is to protect the public. His hands are not registered as lethal weapons; it’s just that he has jazz hands.
https://www.facebook.com/barbara.rogers.982?fref=ts
Here he is this month! He wears what he wants to wear, as he is a self-proclaimed “hero.”
And everyone knows that the Korean War occurred 1952-1956. These old wrong history books that I have say 1950-1953. Ha – gotta burn some more books….
Well, technically, the Korean War never ended – just has had a 60 year ceasefire 🙂
Shhh – that’s classified.
Isn’t that why MASH lasted so long?
Gotta throw the BS flag on S. Ray-Jay Johnson, if such a Johnson actually exists.
If you do exist, Ray-Jay, you are an ignorant tool of an old fool.
Bedwetters-a-pair.
Mr. Johnson is the same guy that Toney told me to contact at his .mil e-mail. I never got anything back from him.
According to an Air Force Article:
“The second initiative launched with the activation of Detachment 1 at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, with Capt. Jeannie Sasnett as commander.
“The activation of Detachment 1 will provide 2nd Air Force with improved oversight of the basic military training pipeline flow,” Jim Hollingsworth, 2nd Air Force TTOC director, said.
The Detachment 1 team of 43 personnel develops and maintains the yearly accession plan used by Air Force Recruiting Service to enlist Airmen and enter them into basic military training throughout the fiscal year.
Detachment 1 also works job classification and reclassification actions for basic military training and technical training students, as well as making travel arrangements every week to ship 350 to 850 BMT graduates from Lackland to 33 different technical training locations. “
I have no idea what a GS-13 who works admin planning would know about Army records from Korea, and why we should just take his word for it that he’s seen something that he implies is classified. We all know that the general orders used for awards aren’t classified while the actions that occured for the award to be granted might be.
I was going to give Mr. Johnson my SIPR e-mail address so he could e-mail me Toney’s classified service record, but I checked and it seems that he doesn’t have a SIPR address, so he doesn’t have access to classified e-mail or networks at Lackland. I’m not even going to bother going to my SCIF and checking to see if he has a JWICS account.
So, Mr. Toney, if you were willing to share those documents with some AF civilian at Lackland, are you willing to share the same documents with one of us under your supervision? I’m guessing not.
Thanks for the update, Jonn. Maybe this is the meeting that Harrop has been bleating about.
Ray Johnson is the IOOF’s “ambassador of goodwill” Whatever that is. BTW, he is also a Lt. General.
http://www.ioof.org/IOOF/About_Us/Leadership/IOOF/Leadership.aspx?hkey=d57ac13b-309d-4bb9-865f-1e2f8a75e594
Of course he is……cocksucker.
Man, oh man.
Folks, we have stumbled into some kind of cult for the elderly.
I will say this, though, Looney Toney seems to be the only one supporting medals and military ribbons out of the bunch.
Order of the Odd sums it up.
Looney Toney. Nice. I like it. Let me take it one step further. Looney Toons. There.
“he is also a Lt. General.” BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who the hell ISN’T a general with these clowns?
Fragile Rock it is….
Well – for an ambassador of good will, he is failing to generate anything approximating good will around here. Failure!
Another question for the “Lt Gen” aka civilian whatever: Are you still employed by the United States Air Force? If so, are you using that signature block by some authority which you can share with us? If not, should you be using it at all?
Do we have another poser, or wannabe, or nearly was, or something struttin’ his stuff here, or what?
It occurs that defiling the Tomb of the Unknowns may rank with falsely claiming a MoH, Purple Heart, or POW status in the tank of the disgusting. Supporting others who do makes you a legitimate target of disdain.
Sounds like Kirjath’s “story” and the actions of his fellow Oddfellows needs to be brought to light in the local print and tv news. I’m sure that there is some young investigative reporter that would like to break this open…
Good idea HMCS(FMF) ret! Get this into the open.
LTG!?!
Hell, he’s at least a Swiss Admiral or a Mexican Sky Marshal.
I was thaaaat close to being a Major in the Army, but I couldn’t twirl a baton, so there went my career as a Drum Major in the Salvation Army…..
http://www.ioof.org/ioofdocs/Programs/2012-2013.pdf See page 6.
There is an S. Ray Johnson who is the chief of staff for the Patriarchs Militant. It list him as, I think, being form Indiana, but it also shows Toney as being from, I think, Tennessee. I don’t know if the IOOF has you keep your affiliation with the state where you first entered. If that’s the case, that would explain the differences in the IOOF affiliated states and their states of residence.
So, it looks like this is just another bit of the IOOF closing ranks and hoping that the smoke that they are blowing up our collective asses will satisfy us.
That letter would serve a greater purpose if you used it as a piece of ass wipe instead.
Damn, if I ever get that way in my older years, I would hope that some one would lead me out into a big pasture and then put me down like a horse with a broken leg
This is now what, the forth or fifth old crusty fuck that has been profiled here for their stolen valor bull.
Is it possible that Phoney Toney only showed this Johnson guy his legitimate awards? Typically, an MFR like this would identify the awards he is authorized to wear. So if Phoney Toney only showed him documentation for a good conduct medal, the MFR will still say that he verified it and he’s good to go. To me, this MFR is worthless without letterhead and an accounting of what documentation Mr. Johnson actually reviewed… of course, even then, call me skeptical.
For example, am I reading it correctly that Phoney Toney is in possession of “classified” records in a box at his home that he shared with random Mr. Johnson? Or Mr. Johnson reviewed documents that are destroyed and not available for review, but heck, he reviewed them anyway so it’s all good? Or random Mr. Johnson simply logged onto SIPR and there are these records and awards? Because orders for Silver Stars, Purple Hearts, and other awards are not classified. I suppose a write-up theoretically could be, but the order itself is not.
He has no SIPR account, so no chance of him accessing anything on a classified network.
The Good Conduct Medal is not listed on the FOIA. Wonder if it is also too classified for publication?
Old evil’s roots go deep and spread wide. All the people around Toney are invested in the charade — the truth means nothing to them. If I ever had any respect for the Odd Fellows, it’s long gone. So is any honor that Toney ever had.
…and this is just my personal opinion, but any ‘rites’ that involve the Odd Fellows in uniform around Arlington need to stop immediately. Either you’re part of a uniformed service or you’re not. This ‘civilian military organization’ garbage is part of the problem.
I hope the Army at Arlington denies this piece of shit Phony Toney and his Independent Order of Odd Fellows from ever laying wreaths again. How did they let him in there with all of that hardware on his chest – when he did not earn it?
It is disgraceful. Every member of the Odd Fellows look like shit because of this fucktard.
So does that mean that Jonn is in possession of a letter from someone without proper access to classified information claiming to have verified Looney Tunes records, which had to had been classified since you can’t verify destroyed records?
He himself states that many records are either lost/destoyed/incomplete OR classified. Hmmm, ought to ask him if he’s willing to go to jail for Tonedeaf. Bet he changes his tune (no pun intended).
The BS is getting deep early with this guy. So far he’s hit the poser trifecta – Delusional acolyte, Records destroyed and Records Classified. I now give Toney a chance of making the fecal four in the tournament.
Can someone send me Mr. Johnsons telephone #?
Mucho grassy ass!
At my link above there are a lot of phone numbers and emails of the members of this “IOOF”. No real info on Mr. Johnson, but plenty of people you might ask if they know that their “Commanding General” is a fraud. Like their CIC, their “Sovereign Grand Master”. He might be interested in a member perpetuating a fraud. Or, not …. yet.
Mucho grassy ass!
HEY, MCPO! That’s MY tagline!
“Much ass is grassy ass.”™©
Hoo-RAH!
…and a Hasty Lumbago to you!
2nd AF is headquartered at Keesler. It is a training command and has nothing to do with personnel records management.
2nd AF has an organization called TTOC. That acronym stands for “Technical Training Operations Center”. That organization manages and oversees military training, not personnel records.
http://www.keesler.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5036
2nd AF TTOC Det 1 was in fact activated at Lackland AFB in 2008. However, it too has nothing to do with personnel records. It was activated in order to provide 2nd AF better oversight of basic military training operations.
http://www.keesler.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123120450
AFPC is the AF HQ that manages USAF personnel records. They are not located at Lackland AFB. Rather, they are located at Randolph AFB.
http://www.afpc.af.mil/library/foia.asp
Bottom line: if the guy referenced in this purported document Toney provided exists at all, and if he’s working as an DAF civilian assigned to TTOC Det 1, his job involves managing military training. He’s not a records custodian. Frankly, I doubt seriously he’s qualified to verify squat about Mr. Toney’s records.
And since Toney is ex-Army, he wouldn’t be able to access the official copies of Toney’s records anyway.
Try again, Toney. That bit of crap you sent Jonn wasn’t even the proverbial “good try”.
Can someone send me Mr. Johnson’s telephone #?
Mucho grassy ass!
I don’t see the point of calling Mr Johnson. As JAGC pointed out, there are many problems with his letter, none of which he’ll be able clear up. At this point, I guess the only solution is for me to meet with Toney and look at his documents. If he doesn’t return my call, we have our answer.
If he shows – and I’m betting he doesn’t – take a camera and get photos of anything he shows you. I’m betting they’ll be no better than the stuff Visconi or Pequignot tried to palm off as “proof” of their bogus awards.
I see the point.
In a lot of instances in life, the enablers are just as bad as the addicts / liars / abusers themselves.
The questions you sarcastically ask in your post should be put forth to Johnson. Let him hang himself with the those answers.
I don’t know much about the Order of Odd Fellows, but if they are true to their creed of being honest, forthright and pillars of society, they will want to dismiss the liars in their midst.
If Toney, Harrup and Johnson all want to be a part of a lie, then they should fall together.
They should also throw Smith out for turning a blind eye to this shitstorm that is hanging over the Oddfellows…
Jonn, if he does decide to come through, let me know. It’s not that far a ride from my place to yours, and I’d love to see Toney try to wiggle out of this one.
Wow, I wonder if Mr. Johnson went all the way to Kentucky and met Kirjath in person. After all, meeting him in person is the only way to tell if his awards are legit. 😉
The old, “it’s classified” and lost records routine.
The Stupid is strong with these one.
Please lt MCPO give the guy a ring. It sounds to me like its some club of dried up old cock-knockers covering for each other.
Disgusting.
If many of the records for the Korea War were destroyed … Why is it the Koreran War Project has most of them (including the now unclassified operations that were formerly classified, but were unclassified years ago from the former classification of classified).
Mr. Johnson, if he did write the memo, is adv ancing the fraud as well and I wish tell him that.
Got a question? See Kirjath’s Johnson.
I thank you. Great group. Veal. Thursday.
Oh, nobody wants to see that!
His Johnson? I’m told its no big deal.
MAJ Mike, <3 <3 <3 !!
Word is that you can’t, unless you have a microscope… and a set of really tiny tweezers…
Why is the memo signed Lackland AFB and not Joint Base San Antonio?
Possibly he hasn’t worked there since it became part of JBSA? Any current correspondence should refer to “JBSA-Lackland”.
Entirely possible, or that the “memo” – if it’s not a fake – was generated prior to October 2010. If I recall correctly, it was 1 Oct 2010 that Lackland/Randolph/Fort Sam Houston were combined to form JBSA. It’s undated, so that’s also at least theoretically a possibility. “Lackland AFB” would be correct for that earlier period.
It’s also unsigned, so cut&paste or outright fabrication are also both possibilities.
I’d put my money on fabrication/cut & paste!
So, basically, Toney has had two of his subordinates vouch for him – one from his church, one from the IOOF. Wow – totally convincing!
Poser tactic 101.
Attempt to turn the accusations on the accusers.
The burden of proof is you Old Balls McGee, not veterans that know you’re full of shit.
Hell, small-time crooks & punks do the same when they get caught doing things!
Being a sea service guy, I am not an expert on Army uniforms, but it appears that the two individuals in the photograph are wearing covers (caps) with “scrambled eggs” on the visors… but with warrant officer crests.
Is this something new?
Evidently the IOOF has a “military” bunch who like to play dress up in a uniform. And wear all sorts of medals and stuff. There are some links and pics up in the earlier comments.
CDR_D
Thats an “oddfellows” uniform. Sort of like the salvation Army. They have their rank structure ( mostly generals) and apparently they throw military awards from service on them.
I wonder how they award Purple Hearts in that organization. I must say, though, I do rather fancy the yellow playtex gloves. They make the men look so–what’s the word?–antiseptic.
The don’t want to get dishpan hands. Maybe Madge the manicurist can vouch for his decorations.
It appears Toney’s right foot is floating.
Do you think he is attempting to levitate?
His special power, if you will, that allows/allowed him entrance in The Order of Exceptionally Oozy Turds?
Maybe he is attempting to levitate the wreath? Or himself?
Any ideas?
I believe that part of their ceremonies involve the phrase “turn your head and cough”. That probably explains the gloves.
In the Army, “Scrambled Eggs” are worn by Field Grade Officers (O4 & above) and General Officers have it surrounding the base of their cover as well. Apparently the Odd Fellows hand out GO Rank among themselves like Shriners giving away candy during parades!
There is a Samuel R. Johnson, USAF CIV, at Lackland in the DISA global email directory. Someone should send this memo and a summary of this case to the IG at Lackland. Mr. Johnson has violated 5 CFR 2635.702(b) specifying the following: “Appearance of governmental sanction. Except as otherwise provided in this part, an employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office in a manner that could reasonably be construed to imply that his agency or the Government sanctions or endorses his personal activities or those of another. When teaching, speaking, or writing in a personal capacity, he may refer to his official title or position only as permitted by § 2635.807(b). He may sign a letter of recommendation using his official title only in response to a request for an employment recommendation or character reference based upon personal knowledge of the ability or character of an individual with whom he has dealt in the course of Federal employment or whom he is recommending for Federal employment.”
I suspect Johnson failed to put the MFR on official letterhead as some sort of pathetic attempt at protecting himself. As noted above, if this were a legitimate MFR drafted by a qualified official in the course of his duties, he would absolutely use official letterhead. Not to mention, again, the opaque word smithing of the letter where he never actually says that Toney is authorized to wear the PH, Silver Star, etc. As TSO knows, I beat back and call out creative lawyer shenanigans on a daily basis. This letter isn’t even a close call.
Even with whatever Lodge loyalties/bonds these guys have, it is beyond me that Johnson would risk his own career and livelihood for an obvious fraud. Oh, and notice that Johnson never says Toney is authorized to wear general officer “rank.”
Even without a letterhead, doesn’t the signature block doesn’t reasonably imply that his agency or the government endorses what he’s writing? It certainly seems like a misuse of his position, even if not on a letterhead.
I completely agree with you. johnson absolutely is representing this letter as part of his official duties. He was just trying to cover himself… never said he did a good job of it.
Before crucifying Mr Johnson, first find out if he actually DID create and sign that letter. It could well be a Looney Toony forgery.
Agreed, B Woodman. IMO it’s probably worth giving Johnson the chance to explain himself prior to dropping a dime on him with the base, 2nd AF, or ATEC IGs.
I think there’s a significant chance this is a cut&paste or other fabrication. The document is unsigned
, undated,and not on official letterhead. I’d expect something actually generated by the individual to be at leastdated andsigned if they were willing to generate it at all.(Edited to correct error – the memo is in fact dated. I think I need more coffee. [smile])
Here’s a sample if anyone wants to go for it:
Dear Sir or Madam:
Your attention is invited to the enclosed copy of a memorandum, purportedly written by one Samuel Ray or S. Ray Johnson of your facility and addressed, generically, to “FOR WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.”
I have many questions regarding the memorandum but, preliminarily, I would like to learn whether the memorandum is authentic and was, in fact, penned by an emplotee of your facility. If the answer to those questions is yes, I will submit additional questions and comments to you under separate cover.
Thank you for your anticipated prompt attention and response to this inquiry.
It has to be said… anyone see these old wackos and think lemonparty?
John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt here, actually my real name is Eugene Irving Loppenheimer, you can trust me on that just as much as i trust in the authenticity of this “document” sent as to Phony Toney’s awards. Yes, “Phoney Toney”, I’d rather crawl naked through poison ivy right after wallowing naked in broken glass, barbed wire, and thumbtacks and bathing in rubbing alcohol while scrubbing my nutsack with sandpaper than refer to Phoney Toney as “General”!
I smell a rat, a big fat commie rat. Someone wants a LOCK, a ringer as it were, for the Fecal Four. Don’t take offense but me dad (rest his soul) was a part-time bookie until the mills closed and then he went full time. Never ever took a bet on college basketball. Too easy to get to them kids and shaving points takes a wizard to uncover. However I am sure the admins here see this for what it is. A blatant attempt at a killer seed in the next tourney.
Oh, I think some other dicklesswonder already has it locked up but good.
For crying out loud. All that letter says is that Phoney Toney was awarded the awards he was awarded. No mention of what the awards were. Well, guess what Toney? I was awarded the awards I was awarded also. And I didn’t even need a bullshit letter for that. Nope, the letter from a fellow IOOF member doesn’t cut the mustard.
My cat was also awarded the awards he was awarded. Too many to mention, but they are all ‘Best’ of his group. 😛
Was your cat awarded the Order of the Purrfect Pussy?
Many, many times.
I’m with Jonn, JAGC and the rest. This “memorandom” is just that, a memorandon written to support Toneys false claims by a friend whom has no bidness injecting himself in it, in the first place. Using his “official” sign block is the tip-off and were it me going after Toney, I would be all over this other asshat like a rat on a Cheeto.
For the record, I have copies of USAF discharge papers from my best friends father’s time in Korea. They were handwritten by his CO and if anybody serving during that time says that is what they have in their possession, I would take them for their word but still verify they were indeed where they say they were, ect.
It took a ton of research to verify them but it paid off. He now has the headstone she thought he deserved (plain jane white with service notation)
I did just read the memo and, I must say, it’s a joke. It’s ALL WRONG, from start to finish. It is extremely poorly crafted, is unintialed, is uniquely formatted for any type of written, business-like communication, and was clearly drafted by someone who is personally (not professionally) involved with the matter. The punctuation is horrendous and the content is laughable.(e.g., “Many concerned citizens must keep in mind….”) It’s pure, unadulterated horseshit.
Actually, 2/17 Air Cav – that’s pretty close to the current preferred DoD style for informal memoranda, specifically for a MFR (memo for record).
You’re spot on about the content and writing, though. Both suck Toney’s unofficial, alternate title – e.g., “The Grand Wazoo”.
And as John R noted above: if the guy actually wrote it vice it being a fabrication, he’s may have some ‘splainin’ to do regarding the use of his official signature block on unofficial, non-work-related correspondence.
I figured this out. Mr. Johnson is not a real Johnson, he’s a fake Johnson invented by Phony Toney Baloney because he has an larged prostate and his own Johnson doesn’t function at all any more.
And the Johnson who (didn’t) wrote that letter (that wasn’t signed) is someone Phony Toney Baloney looked up in the IOOF member directory.
What Phony Toney Baloney was hoping for was that no one would be clever enough to figure out what he did.
Too late! I already figured it out.
Note to Phony Toney Baloney: don’t use someone else’s Johnson just because your own Johnson doesn’t work.
You are depraved.
But I like it.
Try creative, GT. Creative, between boyfriends, slightly cynical.
I’m confused, Toney is Johnson. But Toney hasn’t seen his Johnson since Lassie was a pup. So, does that mean that we need to do another FOIA on Johnson who seems to be Toney? Or do we go with Toney who seems to be without his Johnson?
A fake Johnson? Hmmm. I think we have a word for that. Sounds something like “Phildo” or “Dildoberto”, I belive. (smile)
A “Fake Johnson” you say? As in a handheld variety, or did he steal a strap-on from someone when they weren’t looking?
Well damn…I wondered we mine wandered off to… :shocked:
No need to get it back though…I just get a new one to go with the new leather and lacy thong. 👿
Looking at his Facebook photos, I came across one posted in 2011 (photo is from 2007). In it on “his” rack, he has the Bronze Star and purple heart placed in higher precedence than “his” Silver Star. No Private that earned those awards would duck up their order much less a General.
Well, since I’m already in San Antonio, and happen to work with a couple of folks who have recently retired from the AF, (I was Army, don’t know nuttin bout no fixed wing things) it looks like it’s time to become an active, problem causing member of TAH. If I can’t get a phone number or an email on this Mr. Johnson, the least I can do is 1) write a friendly letter to him and 2) see if my co-workers would have a means of contacting him. Could be fun….anybody got a Secret Squirrel costume that I can borrow???
nbcguy54 – he has a .mil e-mail address that I sent a few e-mails to. He never replied.
Gee – imagine that. I’m sure he’s got a supervisor who could be interested in the fact that he’s using his official work signature block for non work related documents, leading one to believe that he is using government equipment and time for non-government activities.
Sometimes to sink the fakers and posers, you’ve got to kick the enablers in the shins too….
Here is the email of the IOOF Headquarters. ioofthesgl@ioof.org Maybe we need to write here.
The Sovereign Grand Lodge Independent Order of Odd Fellows (IOOF)
422 Trade Street
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27101 USA
Phone: 800-235-8358 336-725-5955
It looks like Kelley Harrop has tried to take the attention away from Phony Baloney Toney’s shittbaggery by posting on an older dead thread.
Yes, he seems to have picked up some stuff from another source, as well. Snide remarkes, inaccurate references – that sort of thing.
I knew I heard thunder for a reason.
Wrinkly old piece of shit.
FUCK Him and DOUBLE FUCK
Kelley Harrop (and because you’re trying to be Psul Wickre Jr.) Fuck Your Mother as WELL…dead *or* alive.
/I hate sockpuppets.
Maybe Phildo is looking for a manservant?
This fool could be the guy.
As long as he has a valid and unsuspended driver’s license.
This fake has built up a protection mechanism around himself over the years he has been wearing heroic awards. He has put a lot of effort into guising his fraud. He can get guys to say his bullshit is “classified,” but still his friends say they have seen “the elusive documents.” Not too classified. He can get the top leader of the Odd Fellows say he has seen the papers, but that is because the Odd Fellows would be out of business if Phony Toney was exposed or made to come clean. He can get his associate minister to say he believes Toney because he would be out of business and probably in a great deal of trouble if Toney was exposed. His “friends” all have a stake in his fraud. His three friends. He thinks this will go away and he will not be held accountable – ever. It may not be illegal, but it disgraceful and disrespectful. It makes us angry.
The older, longer-tenure ones like Phony Balony Toney are the worst. He has probably been building up a cult-like following since the 1970s, feeding his bullshit stories and forged documents to his butt buddies.
Now they are ALL in it, neck deep. They are so high up in their organization that THEY call the shots. No one in their organization has to power to override their decisions. It’s the same with other pieces of shit that have been out from the VFW and other organixations in the past. It takes a lot to dig them out. Phony Baloney Toney is dug in the OF like an Alabama Tick on a hound dog’s balls. The only recourse I see is having the OF banned from their Annual Arlington Charade.
I agree with you Just An Old Dog! We need to get the Old Odd Phony Fellows banned from ever laying the wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown. I think of heroes like Audie Murphy laying in his resting place within eyeshot of this piece of shit standing at the Tomb wearing medals he did not earn.
For what it’s worth, the IG at Lackland has been made aware of Mr. Johnson’s “official” involvement in this matter. We’ll see if they actually do anything.
I just checked the e-mail account that I set up for Toney and Johnson to contact me. Nothing from Toney since this all started, and nothing ever from Johnson. I’ll try one of the local TV stations to see if we can get some interest in this, just like Banks.
I’ve called the numbers that Toney gave me and there’s never an answer and the vmail boxes are always full. I can take a hint.
He probably thinks this will go away. I see that in August (2014), he will be in Victoria, Canada for the Odd Fellows Convention, where he is going to be the speaker/presiding over his group of uniformed generals and others. This is his big meeting. That impostor will wear the Silver Star, Purple Heart, and Bronze Star medals.